Bright kid. Sounds like he works in some form of criminal forensics.

He keeps creating videos in response to the people who are trying to poke holes in his findings and he does a nice job of shooting down their theories without breaking a sweat.

To the liberals on our board - your thoughts?

I think he clearly establishes that it is impossible that the document was scanned as the WH claims. On that point alone - this really deserves analysis of the physical document, which they obviously have.

Donald Trump should put the kid on his payroll.

Get him on Hannity TONIGHT!!

(05-04-2011 11:33 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  Donald Trump should put the kid on his payroll.

No kidding.

I would just love to hear some response.

Is he full of crap - if so where is his analysis wrong?

I am definitely no expert in Adobe software. But I do understand what it means to scan a document and the relatively simple image that is rendered from a scanner.

The WH clearly claims this is a SCAN of an original document. The kid clearly demonstrates that it is simply not possible for this to be a scanned document.

From this potential contradiction in fact alone - my view is that the original document deserves formal forensic investigation.

Who needs a birth certificate. Obama was born a Muslim in Kenya.

Electric chair offense fooling this nation.

Oh brother...if this gets any traction, watch out. Good thing the Bin Laden stuff is keeping things quiet.

I guess I have a couple of points.

First, I think this subject is probably a loser for those who want Obama out of office. It makes those arguing it look pretty crazy generally. All you have to do is look at how stupid Votto sounds 2 posts ago (even if his second sentence was correct), then think about how moderate voters would respond to that message.

Having said that, this is the first time I think its possible it may have some traction. I simply don't have anywhere near the background in computer science to know if this guy is somehow tricking everyone, but he seems to lay it out very clearly. Hopefully it gets picked up by Trump because quite frankly there is little downside. Trump has no real chance of winning, so even if this is completely refuted, there is nothing lost as long as no one that actually does have a chance sticks his neck out there with it. And hopefully we can get an answer.

And it does make the timing of the release of the document even more suspicious. He could have released this a long time ago. He chose not to for absolutely no reason that makes sense given the fact he has now released it. The reaction after it was announced OBL was dead was to mock those questioning for wasting his time with that 'silliness' since he had more important things to do. It makes you wonder if it was done knowing that the news would disappear quickly.

Having said that, I'm jumping way too far ahead and its hard to believe Obama is that stupid. He was already elected president once. And I haven't studied the polls on the situation, but its hard to believe this subject really threatened him. So I still doubt he wasn't born an American citizen. But I do think this needs to be answered. Hopefully the right handles it properly.

First let me say, I really dont care if a president is born in the US or not, I really dont care, they all (right and left) have to be a little crooked in order to get that far. This is IMO about how corrupt the media is, how one sided they are for the left, we all know the left and the right are crooked, but the media is supposed to be bias, or at least thats what they say they are, but they will either bury this story or shout down anyone who tries to push this story, so I think it will die like other hotbed issues concerning the president, they will do everything in their power to make sure nothing sticks to their guy although him and Biden will make things interesting with their constant blunders

(05-04-2011 06:56 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Who needs a birth certificate. Obama was born a Muslim in Kenya.

Electric chair offense fooling this nation.

Obama's father was an atheist not a Muslim. His mother/grandparents were white and Christian. He met his father a grand total of once in his entire life, that being at an airport at Christmas 1971. Even if his father did raise him, which he did not, he would never have become a Muslim since his father hated religion. But of course he never grew up with his father and that is why he is a CHRISTIAN.

(05-05-2011 07:59 AM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(05-04-2011 06:56 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Who needs a birth certificate. Obama was born a Muslim in Kenya.

Electric chair offense fooling this nation.

Obama's father was an atheist not a Muslim. His mother/grandparents were white and Christian. He met his father a grand total of once in his entire life, that being at an airport at Christmas 1971. Even if his father did raise him, which he did not, he would never have become a Muslim since his father hated religion. But of course he never grew up with his father and that is why he is a CHRISTIAN.

I have no idea what his religion truly is or whether the guy even believes in God. (Yeah I know he says he does, but he also claims to be a champion of small business, right?)

But to say he isn't a Muslim so he must be a christian is ridiculous. He has LOTS of relatives who are Muslim and he went to a muslim school in Indonesia. Trust me they teach religion in Muslim schools and it isn't any "comparative studies" type program.

If I had my guess he could give two craps about religion, but sees it as a necessary image ornament to be a viable candidate.

Most atheists and a good portion of agnostics tend to human centric view of the world. People who believe in god believe in an external power that determines their values and more of less governs their actions. People who reject the notion of an external power believe that human and/or human organizations create values, determine utility, direction, power and authority.

If you are a conservative or a libertarian secularist you tend to believe that the center of importance, authority and responsibility for well being resides within the individual.

If you are a liberal you tend to believe that while individual interests are somewhat important the center of control, authority and responsibilty for well being resides communally or with the "state".

In my view of Obama, the "state" is clearly much more his "god" than any external deity could possibly be.

(05-05-2011 09:25 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(05-05-2011 07:59 AM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(05-04-2011 06:56 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Who needs a birth certificate. Obama was born a Muslim in Kenya.

Electric chair offense fooling this nation.

Obama's father was an atheist not a Muslim. His mother/grandparents were white and Christian. He met his father a grand total of once in his entire life, that being at an airport at Christmas 1971. Even if his father did raise him, which he did not, he would never have become a Muslim since his father hated religion. But of course he never grew up with his father and that is why he is a CHRISTIAN.

I have no idea what his religion truly is or whether the guy even believes in God. (Yeah I know he says he does, but he also claims to be a champion of small business, right?)

But to say he isn't a Muslim so he must be a christian is ridiculous. He has LOTS of relatives who are Muslim and he went to a muslim school in Indonesia. Trust me they teach religion in Muslim schools and it isn't any "comparative studies" type program.

If I had my guess he could give two craps about religion, but sees it as a necessary image ornament to be a viable candidate.

Most atheists and a good portion of agnostics tend to human centric view of the world. People who believe in god believe in an external power that determines their values and more of less governs their actions. People who reject the notion of an external power believe that human and/or human organizations create values, determine utility, direction, power and authority.

If you are a conservative or a libertarian secularist you tend to believe that the center of importance, authority and responsibility for well being resides within the individual.

If you are a liberal you tend to believe that while individual interests are somewhat important the center of control, authority and responsibilty for well being resides communally or with the "state".

In my view of Obama, the "state" is clearly much more his "god" than any external deity could possibly be.

A couple of things:

1) He does not have a close relationship with any of those relatives who were/are Muslim

2) the school he went to from 1969 to 1971 was Basuki school, a public school that does not focus on religion. It is completley different than Islamic Madrassas.

3)I'm not saying "he isn't a Muslim so he must be a christian" Im saying hes a Christian because it has always been his stated religion. He goes to church regularly and can quote the bible like back of his hand. Whether he personally believes in God is of course impossible to ascertain but Im going to go off of his actions and words because thats the closest anyone can really get to making an educated guess. After all I could say the Pope may not believe in God even though he says he does and that is possible, but again Im going to go off of actions and words because thats pretty much as close as we can get without looking inside someones head

(05-05-2011 09:34 AM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(05-05-2011 09:25 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(05-05-2011 07:59 AM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(05-04-2011 06:56 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Who needs a birth certificate. Obama was born a Muslim in Kenya.

Electric chair offense fooling this nation.

Obama's father was an atheist not a Muslim. His mother/grandparents were white and Christian. He met his father a grand total of once in his entire life, that being at an airport at Christmas 1971. Even if his father did raise him, which he did not, he would never have become a Muslim since his father hated religion. But of course he never grew up with his father and that is why he is a CHRISTIAN.

I have no idea what his religion truly is or whether the guy even believes in God. (Yeah I know he says he does, but he also claims to be a champion of small business, right?)

But to say he isn't a Muslim so he must be a christian is ridiculous. He has LOTS of relatives who are Muslim and he went to a muslim school in Indonesia. Trust me they teach religion in Muslim schools and it isn't any "comparative studies" type program.

If I had my guess he could give two craps about religion, but sees it as a necessary image ornament to be a viable candidate.

Most atheists and a good portion of agnostics tend to human centric view of the world. People who believe in god believe in an external power that determines their values and more of less governs their actions. People who reject the notion of an external power believe that human and/or human organizations create values, determine utility, direction, power and authority.

If you are a conservative or a libertarian secularist you tend to believe that the center of importance, authority and responsibility for well being resides within the individual.

If you are a liberal you tend to believe that while individual interests are somewhat important the center of control, authority and responsibilty for well being resides communally or with the "state".

In my view of Obama, the "state" is clearly much more his "god" than any external deity could possibly be.

A couple of things:

1) He does not have a close relationship with any of those relatives who were/are Muslim

2) the school he went to from 1969 to 1971 was Basuki school, a public school that does not focus on religion. It is completley different than Islamic Madrassas.

3)I'm not saying "he isn't a Muslim so he must be a christian" Im saying hes a Christian because it has always been his stated religion. He goes to church regularly and can quote the bible like back of his hand. Whether he personally believes in God is of course impossible to ascertain but Im going to go off of his actions and words because thats the closest anyone can really get to making an educated guess. After all I could say the Pope may not believe in God even though he says he does and that is possible, but again Im going to go off of actions and words because thats pretty much as close as we can get without looking inside someones head

I'd personally love to have a president who claims to be atheist/agnostic. Obama does neither and has been going to church his entire adult life. I stopped going to church my freshman year in high school when I began to doubt organized religion as a whole. Since that time I have attended church for weddings and funerals and that is it. Something tells me if Obama was an atheist/agnostic he would do the same.

Obviously there is no way to tell the truth of the matter in a president's personal life. We do not know if any of our presidents were actually Christian, but Obama has lived the life of a Christian throughout his adult life and to me that is all I have to go on.

To be honest though unless a president decides to support policies that threaten the separation of church and state I could care less what his religion is.

Who cares about his religion. This is America. He is free to practice whatever religion he chooses. Does anyone know of any legitimate responses to the videos?

Overrated- To that end.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...ate-legit/

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

Related Links
Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

“I know that you can scan a document from a scanner most of the time it will appear as one piece, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no software that’s doing this kind of stuff,” he said, adding that it’s really quite common.

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...z1LUlPHPto

(05-05-2011 10:35 AM)Overrated Wrote:  Who cares about his religion. This is America. He is free to practice whatever religion he chooses. Does anyone know of any legitimate responses to the videos?

I agree. People who are against him will always look for something the complain about. One minute he's a muslim-- and a terrorist obviously because of what his name rhymes with. The next minute he's tied to the christian church with a controversial pastor.

seeing what sticks it seems.

(05-05-2011 11:23 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Overrated- To that end.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...ate-legit/

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

Related Links
Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

“I know that you can scan a document from a scanner most of the time it will appear as one piece, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no software that’s doing this kind of stuff,” he said, adding that it’s really quite common.

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...z1LUlPHPto

great another teacher offering his opinion

(05-05-2011 01:23 PM)icehole3 Wrote:  

(05-05-2011 11:23 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Overrated- To that end.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...ate-legit/

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

Related Links
Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

“I know that you can scan a document from a scanner most of the time it will appear as one piece, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no software that’s doing this kind of stuff,” he said, adding that it’s really quite common.

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...z1LUlPHPto

great another teacher offering his opinion

You're never gonna change peoples minds. Obama never should have even posted his BC. Hell, I've seen his more then I've seen my own brothers.

it's amazing how someone you don't know post a youtube vid and you all jump on the bandwagon. when someone disputes said youtube post--an expert no less , now you decide to get cynical. this will go back and forth till something better comes along. he's proven himself a citizen time and time again. 3 years in office and this is what you b!tch about? I guess he's doing OK.

mccain was not born in the US and I never seen that brought up. when Ahnold became governor of cal, there was thing set in motion to overturn the only american born citizen can become president law.

my point, stop acting like this is such a matter of principal with you. if obama was a republican it would never have been brought up. not by republicans at least.

(05-05-2011 01:23 PM)icehole3 Wrote:  great another teacher offering his opinion

I'm Microsoft and Cisco certified... if I taught a class about those products would that remove me from being allowed to chime in on issues that I'm directly an expert on?

He is an expert on Adobe Illustrator, he is an expert when it comes to computer graphics, and Adobe has crowned him with that title (to be honest, I don't know if that means much, as many Microsoft certified people are worthless as well, but that is besides the point).

I'm sick and tired of this whole debate. The guy isn't going to be impeached over this, and he won't be stopped from running for the next election.

On a side note, I voted for McCain and still think he would have been better fiscally than Obama.

(05-05-2011 11:23 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Overrated- To that end.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...ate-legit/

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

Related Links
Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

“I know that you can scan a document from a scanner most of the time it will appear as one piece, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no software that’s doing this kind of stuff,” he said, adding that it’s really quite common.

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...z1LUlPHPto

So mark is citing a foxnews blog as his authority now? Interesting. Anyway, I don't claim to know whether it's fake or not, but it is worth noting that the "expert" (who himself says "I’m not a detective specialized in the forgery of electronic documents.") cited in your article has been busy backtracking and completely disavows the headline and is now refusing to do any more follow-up on his opinion.

Here's one person's account of his interaction with the "expert" on this issue. It's sympathetic, btw, but does leave clear questions including a possible language hurdle. The comments are worth reading as well for those interested in further discussion.

Black and Right

Here's the "expert"'s update dance including his explanation of how he is truly independent (despite his 5* review of the book "Yes We Did! An inside look at how social media built the Obama brand" titled "Yes They Did! Yes We Can... LOL)

Quote:Rectifications regarding my opinions of the Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF validity on FoxNews

Last Friday, I had a phone conversation with someone at FoxNews regarding the validity of Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF. A blog post was then published by them on Friday night. You can read it here.

My first idea was to post this on FoxNews.com, but I have not heard from them despite my repeated requests. So I’m posting here.

I want to clarify a few things written in that blog post after my brief conversation with Ms. Winter. The blog post on FoxNews has generated so many comments good and bad. I also feel that Ms. Winter has attributed a conclusion to me in the title that I did not mention during my interview. Some of my statements, mainly regarding the use of OCR software were also not 100% accurate. I only spent a short time looking at the PDF the day before. I feel obligated to make some clarifications.

First, I never thought that what I saw in the Birth Certificate PDF was a proof of its authenticity. For me, what I have seen does not prove that it is legit, nor that it is a fake, nor that there has been any tampering whatsoever. The title of the blog does not represent my conclusion. It would be unprofessional and simplistic within my area of competence to come to a conclusion one way or the other.

To recapitulate: Thursday, somebody emailed me and asked if I could look at the Birth Certificate (PDF) in question. I opened the document with Acrobat Pro and also later using Adobe Illustrator. At first I found it strange to see a number of layers in the file, but without necessarily finding a deliberate act of manipulation. It is true that usually, when you scan a document you get a single image. So I told myself, maybe some OCR manipulation or some other technology was used to separate the text from the background of the image during the scanning process, as I have seen in the past. It is true that the OCR technology can be used to detect and analyze the text present in the image, to help in extracting text to enable searchabillity. Though I am not an expert on OCR, I know there are various technologies used to make a scanned document searchable, and sometimes it changes the text document by extracting it from the background. I closed the file and that was the end of it for me.

Subsequently, on Friday I received a phone call by Mrs Winter from FoxNews. Without more investigation, I gave Ms. Winter my views on my findings over the phone.

On the other side, I want to add that I know it is possible to use a software function to optimize a scanned document to detect and separate text and background. The resolution of this portion of the text image are detached from the background, and the resolution can be increased for easier reading. Special compression is applied to these separated parts (layers) of the different images to save on disk space (I just replicated it on my old CanoScan Lide 80 and Acrobat Pro). This process was explained by other experts better than me here.

Now if you analyze the various resolutions of the images in the Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF in either Acrobat or Illustrator you will discover that they are mostly different; this is usually the result of such optimization of scanned document.

I want to add that if this document was changed (such as layers created) in Adobe Photoshop and saved as PDF (or converted to PDF with the MacOS Preview application, as we see by the PDF Metadata), the result would have been that each images with a single and identical resolution values which is not the case in the this PDF.

That being said, this absolutely not proof either way that changes could have been made during and after scanning.

In my humble opinion, what I see about how the PDF is built does not prove any unusual falsification. If there was tampering, we must look elsewhere and not how the PDF was constructed.

I also want to mention that despite what some people said about me, saying that I’ve worked for Obama during his 2008 campaign is totally false. Some people have come to that conclusion after reading a comment I wrote on Amazon for Rahaf Harfoush’s book “Yes, We Did” here. I never worked for the Obama organization. I was just giving my appreciation of Harfoush’s book.

Being a Canadian, I might also add that I have absolutely no interest in the facts of this case leaning one way or another. I have no connection with Obama nor do I have received any money from FoxNews or anyone else.

I’m not a detective specialized in the forgery of electronic documents. I am an instructor in graphic design software working to help people work faster, better and smarter.

I have nothing further to add. Commenting in this article has been disabled.

Thank you!

"Expert" "Rectifications"