Do most turn down a better job because there buddy was not hired, also?

(04-26-2011 11:21 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Do most turn down a better job because there buddy was not hired, also?

Nope. The only package deals in conference realignment are forced upon by politicians (i.e. Virginia Tech to the ACC, the binding of the Texas and Oklahoma schools in the Big 12, etc.).

Now that is factual truth, Frank!

(04-26-2011 11:21 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Do most turn down a better job because there buddy was not hired, also?

Pretty much it

TCU fans must love reading this thread- - sounds like a brainstorm session of BC Eagles fans, Bud Selig, Judas and Yoko Ono...

(04-26-2011 01:03 PM)billyjack Wrote:  TCU fans must love reading this thread- - sounds like a brainstorm session of BC Eagles fans, Bud Selig, Judas and Yoko Ono...

With this being their 5th conference in the past 20 years they're probably used to it.

I'd give Seton Hall money to exit the league.

Cheers,
Neil

Spot on Neil!

(04-26-2011 01:13 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  I'd give Seton Hall money to exit the league.

Cheers,
Neil

And what about DePaul?

(04-26-2011 01:26 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 01:13 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  I'd give Seton Hall money to exit the league.

Cheers,
Neil

And what about DePaul?

At soon to be 17, we only need 1 to leave at the moment.

Besides, at least the BlueDemons help with Chicago and give us decent women's bb and softball.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-26-2011 07:37 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I was thinking that if the league gets a deal that pays $14 million plus per school that the league should stay with the bb schools, but also make a pact that each fb school would stay together as a league no matter what other league is looking to expand. With such a pact, there should be an exit fee of say $20 or $25 million dollars.

I can't disagree more, because it puts the cart before the horse. Effectively, it means that the conference is prioritized over the school, when in fact the conference is supposed to be a servant of its member schools (in other words, the conference exists only to help schools achieve their goals, not vice-versa).

My loyalty is to my school. If USF gets a better bid from the SEC (or whomever), it would be dereliction of duty for our admins not to take it. And it would be malpractice for them to sign a conference contract that has such an enormous exit penalty that it essentially ties us to the Big East.

(04-26-2011 01:31 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 01:26 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 01:13 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  I'd give Seton Hall money to exit the league.

Cheers,
Neil

And what about DePaul?

At soon to be 17, we only need 1 to leave at the moment.

Besides, at least the BlueDemons help with Chicago and give us decent women's bb and softball.

Cheers,
Neil

To also be fair with DePaul (and I know I'm the resident DePaul alum here), it's not for a lack of trying regarding men's basketball. They're paying Oliver Purnell over $2 million per year and the practice facility is state-of-the-art. The coach's salary may or may not be money well-spent, but the lack of recent success at DePaul definitely doesn't have to do with financial commitments to be competitive. DePaul's endowment isn't necessarily huge, but the school can still basically spend whatever it needs to because it receives an absolutely insane amount of tuition revenue and student fees as the largest Catholic university in the country (25,000 total between 16,000 undergrad students, 8,000 grad students, and 1,000 law students).

What exactly does endowment entail? I always see that number thrown around but what exactly does it mean? Is it the liquid assets that a school currently has? I know I've seen UCF fans argue that our endowment is so low because we put such a large amount of funds directly back into the school in the form of constantly building new facilities/buildings/student housing/parking garages/etc but I've always wondered if those funds come from the same place?

(04-26-2011 07:55 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 07:40 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Absolutely not. If a better offer comes along schools shouldn't have to be hamstrung by an astronomical exit fee.

Was told that the Big 12, in conjunction with the FOX cable deal, put in new large increases in the penalties if someone decides to leave the conference. Don't know all details or amounts, but it was designed to protect FOX and all other members should one leave.

That is some very interesting news Matt. For those here who disagree that your school should sign such an agreement, your school may not have any choice if they want to recieve a big tv deal. The network, whoever that is, has to protect itself and likely will ad specific language to do so, that member schools will have to accept. Its not about just looking out for numero uno. If the network demands a commitment from the member schools to protect their investment, the member schools will have to acquiese. So it would not be an empty threat as some have mentioned, not if the network is demanding it. And pretty much any network would protect themselves this way.

And for those that think that the presidents of member schools would never sign off on such an exit fee, remember, it has been stated here many times that the presidents of universities are very conservative people. To them, a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bushes. I dont believe that any of the BE presidents would risk losing a major deal for the conference for a POSSIBLE future invite from the Big 10 or SEC, that may never come, or may not come during the duration of any new tv deal. If an invitation does come, then its up to the particular president or board to negotiate a deal with the new conference so that the exit fee from the old conference will hurt a little less. I sign pacts, agreements, contracts on a monthly basis, and I have never signed one that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy if I wanted to break the contract.

Being in the BE involves contracts that details what is expected of each program. Programs should reasonably be able to live up to those expectations. If a school leaves the BE which may cause its tv deals to be reduced, it is only fair that the other members of the conference are able to recoup some of the losses from a large exit fee.

(04-26-2011 10:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 10:15 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 08:46 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Some schools are tied in with alliances, others not so.

If WV gets an offer, its relationship with Pitt plays a role.

IF WVU was offered membership in the SEC, we'd jump in a heartbeat - and without one thought about Pitt (or Rutgers, brista)...

and so would everyoneelse. It doesnt matter what the pay out is, schools would move to SEC or Big Ten if invited

Thats the real reason why the BE is unstable not because of seton hall. Splitting and adding 3 from the cast of usual characters won't change that. We all know there are 2 schools that MIGHT prevent a current BE FB member from bolting and neither is going to join.

As long as The BEast remains the poorest of the BCS conferences that will always be the case, dude. What else is new?

DePaul has a lot of upside because of its size (larger that Syracuse) and its impact upon the Chicago market.

Seton Hall is a diocesan school (for the non-R.C. folks, a school operated by the Newark-area church structure) and subject to different financial pressures than schools like ND, Georgetown, and even DePaul. There are only nine such schools in the US and SHU is the only Division I school on the list. It's comparable to a public college being run by a city and not the state.

(04-26-2011 03:04 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 07:55 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 07:40 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Absolutely not. If a better offer comes along schools shouldn't have to be hamstrung by an astronomical exit fee.

Was told that the Big 12, in conjunction with the FOX cable deal, put in new large increases in the penalties if someone decides to leave the conference. Don't know all details or amounts, but it was designed to protect FOX and all other members should one leave.

That is some very interesting news Matt. For those here who disagree that your school should sign such an agreement, your school may not have any choice if they want to recieve a big tv deal. The network, whoever that is, has to protect itself and likely will ad specific language to do so, that member schools will have to accept. Its not about just looking out for numero uno. If the network demands a commitment from the member schools to protect their investment, the member schools will have to acquiese. So it would not be an empty threat as some have mentioned, not if the network is demanding it. And pretty much any network would protect themselves this way.

And for those that think that the presidents of member schools would never sign off on such an exit fee, remember, it has been stated here many times that the presidents of universities are very conservative people. To them, a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bushes. I dont believe that any of the BE presidents would risk losing a major deal for the conference for a POSSIBLE future invite from the Big 10 or SEC, that may never come, or may not come during the duration of any new tv deal. If an invitation does come, then its up to the particular president or board to negotiate a deal with the new conference so that the exit fee from the old conference will hurt a little less. I sign pacts, agreements, contracts on a monthly basis, and I have never signed one that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy if I wanted to break the contract.

Being in the BE involves contracts that details what is expected of each program. Programs should reasonably be able to live up to those expectations. If a school leaves the BE which may cause its tv deals to be reduced, it is only fair that the other members of the conference are able to recoup some of the losses from a large exit fee.

Excellent post

That said, if TV wants to bump up our exit fee, then show us the freaking money

Great post cuse I agree. I know mercenaries think that schools should be available for "better offers", but this is a great chance to move ourselves up the food chain in athletics. Get a monster TV deal which is similar to the ACC's giving us a powerful protection against raids (remember, the SEC admitted that they backed off of the ACC because they couldn't afford to pluck any schools because of the new TV deal). As cuse mentions we would be making around 20 million per year per school with the potential for starting out own network. The Big East should be making sure that ESPN knows that if they want this conglomerate to stick together pay us enough money to expand the football schools to 12 and make 14 to 15 million per year, that way we can sign a binding pact with the basketball schools and everybody has the best of both worlds. ESPN has their basketball commodity and access to Houston, Orlando and whatever else, we won't have to force Nova to move up allowing us to add someone like ECU, and Notre Dame get to keep Independence and ESPN might have access to them. The pieces are already in place, we would improve football, and we have improved academics by adding another powerful academic university to go with the basketball schools, Notre Dame, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn and Cincinnati. Maybe we can out our own academic consortium going for the entire conference or hook up with an existing consortium. Win-win, and all ESPN has to do is shell out the money, and they have PLENTY of money.

I'm not in this business, but maybe one of you have more experience in this area.

Why couldn't schools be required to post a surety bond against leaving? Or have a portion of their annual payout diverted into the conference's Surety Fund?

The problem with "exit fees" is that the school balks, and doesn't want to pay, and find some way to weasel out of it. Fine. Take the money up front (long before they leave) from all members and hold it in a reserve against anyone leaving. Over time that money helps the conference weather these storms.

Everyone says "blah blah" but the reality is that it's not a zero sum game. A school or multiple schools leave and it puts the other members in jeopardy. We've seen that and spoken about it ENDLESSLY for the last five or more years.