Sure, those are in poor taste and are disrespectful to the office...but comparing a white man to a monkey is in no way racially tinged on any level.
And what in the world is that cartoon supposed to be saying? I have no clue what year it is from much less what the heck is going on...LOL...and what the heck is that on the table? And elephant...a stomach...I'm stumped
And wa that the inspiration for the grinch in the non-animated version?
(04-19-2011 10:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: But seriously, the racial element is comparing a black man to a monkey, not a white buffoon to one...does this really need explained to you?
Yes, it does need to be explained to me. Why is comparing a white dude to a monkey OK but comparing a black guy to a monkey is racist?
04-20-2011 11:29 AM
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Does it escape anyone else that just yesterday people on here complained about Obama using funds to sell his agenda. When it was pointed out that Bush did the exact same thing, you get the, well just becuase one guy did it................ mantra. Today some of these same voices are arguing the counterpoint. Schizo????????
(04-19-2011 10:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: But seriously, the racial element is comparing a black man to a monkey, not a white buffoon to one...does this really need explained to you?
Yes, it does need to be explained to me. Why is comparing a white dude to a monkey OK but comparing a black guy to a monkey is racist?
When a white dude is compared to a monkey/chimp, it's usually only meant to mean he's a dumb rube (primate intelligence). When a black guy is compared to a monkey/chimp, people can interpret the comparison is meant to paint a physical likeness as well.
Even IF the intention of the protestor, cartoonist, etc, is to only go the "dumb rube" route, it's just common sense not to liken a black person to a chimp or monkey.
Howard Cosell made an error during broadcasting a football game a couple decades ago, referring to a wide receiver as getting loose from tacklers like a "little monkey". Cosell wasn't racist, but there's too much bad history of people comparing black people to monkeys, etc, that those kinds of comparisons - no matter how innocent the intent - are just not wise.
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2011 11:46 AM by Motown Bronco.)
(04-19-2011 10:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: But seriously, the racial element is comparing a black man to a monkey, not a white buffoon to one...does this really need explained to you?
Yes, it does need to be explained to me. Why is comparing a white dude to a monkey OK but comparing a black guy to a monkey is racist?
When a white dude is compared to a monkey/chimp, it's usually only meant to mean he's a dumb rube (primate intelligence). When a black guy is compared to a monkey/chimp, people can interpret the comparison is meant to paint a physical likeness as well.
Even IF the intention of the protestor, cartoonist, etc, is to only go the "dumb rube" route, it's just common sense not to liken a black person to a chimp or monkey.
Howard Cosell made an error during broadcasting a football game a couple decades ago, referring to a wide receiver as getting loose from tacklers like a "little monkey". Cosell wasn't racist, but there's too much bad history of people comparing black people to monkeys, etc, that those kinds of comparisons - no matter how innocent the intent - are just not wise.
So what you're saying is if I compared Obama to a monkey the person who would call that a racist remark is in fact the actual racist because they're the ones making a physical comparison rather than a comical comparison.
(04-20-2011 11:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Sure, those are in poor taste and are disrespectful to the office...but comparing a white man to a monkey is in no way racially tinged on any level.
And what in the world is that cartoon supposed to be saying? I have no clue what year it is from much less what the heck is going on...LOL...and what the heck is that on the table? And elephant...a stomach...I'm stumped
And wa that the inspiration for the grinch in the non-animated version?
During the 19th century the Irish were often drawn as 'ape-men'. There wsa a lot of popular sentiment at the time that Blacks colud be integrated but not the Irish or Chinese..
(04-19-2011 06:44 AM)Paul M Wrote: Any comments on the topic Robert? Any words addressing your comrades?
Yeah, there are moorons in every group. On here we have you, SOAF, hell, more than half of the regular posters on this board. THen you have the racist lady in California with the Obama monkey picture. Any other question Paul?
Good god - at least when you are calling someone a moron, spell it right!
I'm surprised you have internet hook-ups in your section 8 housing.
Sorry for the typo Crabs(btw, you should get something to treat that problem).
(04-19-2011 06:44 AM)Paul M Wrote: Any comments on the topic Robert? Any words addressing your comrades?
Yeah, there are moorons in every group. On here we have you, SOAF, hell, more than half of the regular posters on this board. THen you have the racist lady in California with the Obama monkey picture. Any other question Paul?
Good god - at least when you are calling someone a moron, spell it right!
I'm surprised you have internet hook-ups in your section 8 housing.
You shouldn't be. I went home for lunch the other day because my child was sick and saw a commercial for a cell phone targeted for people on government assistance.
Are tyou talking about the one for seniors? I guess you can consider SS "government assistance. I pay $15/month for my cell phone because I don't need any fancy tools, I just need it for calling family and for emergencies. I have the cheapest Comcast "cable"(ie. local channels and C-Span), cheapest Comcast internet and Netflix. I don't really need anything else-though I did enjoy History Channel and Food Network when I had them. :)
(04-20-2011 11:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Sure, those are in poor taste and are disrespectful to the office...but comparing a white man to a monkey is in no way racially tinged on any level.
And what in the world is that cartoon supposed to be saying? I have no clue what year it is from much less what the heck is going on...LOL...and what the heck is that on the table? And elephant...a stomach...I'm stumped
And wa that the inspiration for the grinch in the non-animated version?
I believe it's supposed to be the Irish killing the goose that laid the Golden Egg..
I didn't realize that Robert was in D.C. the other day protesting against the Tea Party protest. It sure sounds like him. Maybe it's his dad. Maybe they are both in the video. Hectoring somebody trying to do their job.
Maybe they were Washington Post employees who can't stand a different viewpoint. Or members of the D.C. teacher's union. Who knows? So many possibilities........
(04-19-2011 10:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: But seriously, the racial element is comparing a black man to a monkey, not a white buffoon to one...does this really need explained to you?
(04-19-2011 11:03 PM)Paul M Wrote: Racists see race everywhere.
(04-19-2011 11:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Except in themselves.
(04-20-2011 12:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote: So what you're saying is if I compared Obama to a monkey the person who would call that a racist remark is in fact the actual racist because they're the ones making a physical comparison rather than a comical comparison.
I'd obviously be among the first to accuse the 'Left' of throwing the race card blanket on top of the Tea Party movement based on precious few, isolated examples, all the while the civility police and media pundits ignore the far uglier tone that comes out of left-wing oriented protests.
However... if someone has a poster comparing Obama to a monkey/chimp, it means either one of two things: They are deliberately trying to push a physical likeness that is racist and uncalled for - OR - they are honestly just trying to compare "dumb primate" intelligence like the Bush vs. chimp posters, but are really ignorant of history (particularly the Jim Crow years) where racist 'ape' cartoons were once rampant and open old wounds.
It may seem like a double standard that Bush can be compared to chimps without backlash but not Obama. But not everything is black and white (excuse the pun) when it comes to social norms and attitudes.
(04-21-2011 09:10 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: they are honestly just trying to compare "dumb primate" intelligence like the Bush vs. chimp posters, but are really ignorant of history (particularly the Jim Crow years) where racist 'ape' cartoons were once rampant and open old wounds.
Sorry MTB, you know I agree with you most of the time but being ignorant of how cartoons portrayed the Irish as ape men is *just* as bad as ignorance of how cartoons compared Blacks to apes...
Bush happens to have some Irish Blood so it's either just racist to compare him to a chimp or it's just because that has come to mean stupid.
When the left went off the rails about this:
They showed that they will scream racism no matter what. Therefore I tend to ignore their cries.
(04-22-2011 08:04 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Oh c'mon BIE! Leaving any racism aside being they depict Obama as a chimp, THEY ARE SHOOTING HIM DEAD!
No. The artist isn't depicting Obama as a chimp, or Obama being shot. They are saying that the stimulus bill was so poor planned and ill advised that it might as well have been written by a chimp. Now that this chimp is dead, they'll have to find someone else to write the next one.
If you have a racist mind, you see racism in that drawing. Ask a child what was drawn and they won't be talking about porch monkeys.
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