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Trouble in Egypt
We don't need the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. 05-mafia

Police members remove suits and join protests, Egypt police struggle to crush anti-regime protest.

Thousands of protesters gathered across Cairo and other cities on Friday including the eastern Egyptian hotspot of Suez and the Nile Delta cities of Mansoura and Sharqiya, calling for an end to "corruption" and "dictatorship," Al Arabiya TV reported.

Protesters gather near the presidential palace in Nasr City, outside of Cairo’s city center, according to Al Arabiya TV.

Police fired rubber bullets at thousands of protesters who had gathered outside the prominent al-Azhar mosque in central Cairo after Friday prayers, a Reuters witness said.

A number of police members removed their suits and joined protests against the regime, according to Al Arabiya.

The crowd threw stones at police lines and shouted slogans against President Hosni Mubarak, 82, and his son, Gamal, 47, who many Egyptian believe is being groomed for future office.

"The people want the regime to fall," they shouted, alongside "No to succession". They also cried "Down, Down, Hosni Mubarak."
"Down, Down Hosni Muabark"

Police were firing teargas in Mansoura, the witness from the the movement said.

Protesters shouted "Down, Down, Hosni Mubarak" and stamped on posters of the president after Friday prayers, witnesses said.

Vodafone group said all mobile operators in Egypt had been instructed to suspend services in selected areas, in what activists said was an effort to stop anti-Mubarak demonstrators from communicating and organising.

Mohamed ElBaradei, a Nobel Peace Laureate who has called for an end to Mubarak's rule, had joined prayers involving about 2,000 people and al Jazeera said he had not been allowed to leave the area.

The worshippers were surrounded by police while praying in a square just outside a mosque in the Giza area of Cairo.

"The people want the end of the regime," they started shouting once prayers were complete.

"Leave, leave, Mubarak, Mubarak, the plane awaits you," they chanted in the protests, which were inspired by a revolt in Tunisia.

The Tunisian president of 23 years, Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, was forced to flee to Saudi Arabia on Jan. 14 after a month of protests.

Egyptians have staged mass protests since Tuesday and hundreds have been arrested.

Members of the Muslim Brotherhood, including at least eight senior officials of the opposition group and its main spokesmen, were rounded up overnight. A security source said authorities had ordered a crackdown on the group.

Young protesters want an end to Mubarak's authoritarian rule that has used heavy-handed security to crush dissenters who complain about unemployment, inflation and corruption which have created a huge gap between rich and poor.

The same complaints about corruption and poverty can be heard across the region and have prompted protests in countries like Algeria and Yemen.

"Inflation has exhausted people. Prices of food, fuel, electricity, sugar are rising ... The rich get richer and the poor poorer," said a taxi driver, declining to be named.

"God knows what will happen today. After Tunisia anything is possible."

The Internet via Egyptian servers was blocked across the country shortly after midnight, closing a key tool for activists relying on social media networks.

Mobile phone and text messaging services also appeared to be disabled or working sporadically.

Facebook has been the main vehicle for announcing Friday's protest and identifying locations for demonstrations.

The government has accused the Muslim Brotherhood of planning to exploit the youth protests for its "hidden agendas". The Brotherhood says it is being used as a scapegoat.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/0...35395.html
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Good, we always talk about how we need the Middle East to turn things around, clearly American intervention hasn't been that successful, and we can't afford it anymore anyways even if it was. If we want democracy in the middle east, this is how it will have to come about.

The Muslim Brotherhood wasn't even involved in the first round of protests.. they are only joining in now.

Quote:Today's protests also include the formal involvement of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest and best organized opposition group, who had sat out the first round of protests earlier this week.

“Two, three days ago I didn’t think the Brotherhood would join the protests because they thought it would be business as usual,” says Josh Stacher, a political scientist at Kent State who studies Egypt. “But I think the Brothers realize it’s on now. They sense they’ve got a legit chance of chasing Mubarak out of the country.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchann...ests-start
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(01-28-2011 09:47 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Good, we always talk about how we need the Middle East to turn things around, clearly American intervention hasn't been that successful, and we can't afford it anymore anyways even if it was. If we want democracy in the middle east, this is how it will have to come about.

Yeah, last time it happened it worked out oh so well. We got stuck with a bunch of radical hajis that are very close to a nuke.
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Yeah.. the revolutions that America helped put in to place. Those did not work, that's the point.
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(01-28-2011 09:51 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Yeah.. the revolutions that America helped put in to place. Those did not work, that's the point.

We helped Iran's revolution? and here I was thinking the Shah was our ally.
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Yes.. that's my point, what we put in place didn't work. Our guy was overthrown and his being there and us supporting him is one of my reasons for the Anti-American views they have now.
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(01-28-2011 11:02 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Yes.. that's my point, what we put in place didn't work. Our guy was overthrown and his being there and us supporting him is one of my reasons for the Anti-American views they have now.

How did we put the Shah in power in Iran?
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Are you trying to suggest the US and the UK did not help him into power and did not help him keep his position once in power?
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(01-28-2011 12:04 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Are you trying to suggest the US and the UK did not help him into power and did not help him keep his position once in power?

In 1941? Hardly. England was dealing with it's own problems with Germany and America was dealing with the Great Depression and trying to remain isolated.
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(01-28-2011 11:02 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Yes.. that's my point, what we put in place didn't work. Our guy was overthrown and his being there and us supporting him is one of my reasons for the Anti-American views they have now.

What's everybody else's excuse?

I'm kinda tired of hearing the default answer that every thing the US does is legit cause for world hatred.

I'm not saying our history is pure as snow, but it's an academically weak, ill-thought out response.
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(01-28-2011 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 11:02 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Yes.. that's my point, what we put in place didn't work. Our guy was overthrown and his being there and us supporting him is one of my reasons for the Anti-American views they have now.

What's everybody else's excuse?

I'm kinda tired of hearing the default answer that every thing the US does is legit cause for world hatred.

I'm not saying our history is pure as snow, but it's an academically weak, ill-thought out response.

The world hates us because we do stick our noses in places it doesn't belong. That is a fact. We was an Ally of Bin Ladin duing the Afgan-Russian war and abandoned him after the war. Sometimes its just better to just let the world go about its own business and let them solve their own problems. This thing in Egypt is going to be an interesting test. I'm curious to what minor involvement we're going to have.
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Dr, that was a typo, instead of my it should say many. Which I think makes my comment make more sense, clearly it's not the only reason, or even the biggest one, but it is one of many things they can point to.

And Rebel, I was referring to 1953.
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(01-28-2011 01:25 PM)animus Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 11:02 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Yes.. that's my point, what we put in place didn't work. Our guy was overthrown and his being there and us supporting him is one of my reasons for the Anti-American views they have now.

What's everybody else's excuse?

I'm kinda tired of hearing the default answer that every thing the US does is legit cause for world hatred.

I'm not saying our history is pure as snow, but it's an academically weak, ill-thought out response.

The world hates us because we do stick our noses in places it doesn't belong. That is a fact.

At this point, it looks more like an opinion to me.

I believe we do get far too involved in the world's affairs. But, that's an inadequate excuse for why so many hate us.
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(01-28-2011 01:37 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 01:25 PM)animus Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 11:02 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Yes.. that's my point, what we put in place didn't work. Our guy was overthrown and his being there and us supporting him is one of my reasons for the Anti-American views they have now.

What's everybody else's excuse?

I'm kinda tired of hearing the default answer that every thing the US does is legit cause for world hatred.

I'm not saying our history is pure as snow, but it's an academically weak, ill-thought out response.

The world hates us because we do stick our noses in places it doesn't belong. That is a fact.

At this point, it looks more like an opinion to me.

I believe we do get far too involved in the world's affairs. But, that's an inadequate excuse for why so many hate us.

Have you ever been overseas???
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The only thing we are good at is fu*king sh*t up. 05-stirthepot
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If there was a 20% change that this ends with a stable state other than a theocracy and I would say its a good thing.. But this, at best would turn into Iran...

(01-28-2011 09:47 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Good, we always talk about how we need the Middle East to turn things around, clearly American intervention hasn't been that successful, and we can't afford it anymore anyways even if it was. If we want democracy in the middle east, this is how it will have to come about.

The Muslim Brotherhood wasn't even involved in the first round of protests.. they are only joining in now.

Quote:Today's protests also include the formal involvement of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest and best organized opposition group, who had sat out the first round of protests earlier this week.

“Two, three days ago I didn’t think the Brotherhood would join the protests because they thought it would be business as usual,” says Josh Stacher, a political scientist at Kent State who studies Egypt. “But I think the Brothers realize it’s on now. They sense they’ve got a legit chance of chasing Mubarak out of the country.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchann...ests-start
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(01-28-2011 01:59 PM)animus Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 01:37 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 01:25 PM)animus Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(01-28-2011 11:02 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Yes.. that's my point, what we put in place didn't work. Our guy was overthrown and his being there and us supporting him is one of my reasons for the Anti-American views they have now.

What's everybody else's excuse?

I'm kinda tired of hearing the default answer that every thing the US does is legit cause for world hatred.

I'm not saying our history is pure as snow, but it's an academically weak, ill-thought out response.

The world hates us because we do stick our noses in places it doesn't belong. That is a fact.

At this point, it looks more like an opinion to me.

I believe we do get far too involved in the world's affairs. But, that's an inadequate excuse for why so many hate us.

Have you ever been overseas???

Occasionally.
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Some of you neoconservatives remind me of Hitler moving around imaginary divisions that didn't exist to defend Berlin.

Where do you think the troops to deal with Iran will come from?
Where do you think the troops to deal with Yemen will come from?
Where do you think the troops to deal with Egypt will come from?

You have two wars still ongoing of Vietnam length.

Personnel is already depleted to the point where people are required to do extended and double tours in many cases.

If you dare to try a draft you'll have rioting in every major metropolitan area of the country.

And what's lost in all of this? The original goal was to defend the United States. There is ironically very few active trained personnel left to do so now.
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Just a bunch of idiots GTS. A bunch of idiots. LOL
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We have our troops scattered all over the world, and the main thing they seem to be accomplishing is painting targets on themselves.

Meanwhile, China is becoming more influential than we are, without putting a soldier on the ground anywhere. They're doing it with economic influence.

We don't fix our economy and eliminate our deficit--we're toast.

We're simply not on the right track--anywhere.
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