Let's compare UH, UCF, and SMU. I'll bold major differences

UCF

Quote:University of Central Florida
Orlando, Florida


Level 4-year or above
Control Public
Student Population 53,401

Classification Category
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Prof+A&S/HGC: Professions plus arts & sciences, high graduate coexistence

Graduate Instructional Program: CompDoc/NMedVet: Comprehensive doctoral (no medical/veterinary)

Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate

Undergraduate Profile: MFT4/S/HTI: Medium full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in

Size and Setting: L4/NR: Large four-year, primarily nonresidential

Basic RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)

UH

Quote:University of Houston
Houston, Texas


Level 4-year or above
Control Public
Student Population 37,000

Classification Category
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Bal/HGC: Balanced arts & sciences/professions, high graduate coexistence

Graduate Instructional Program: CompDoc/NMedVet: Comprehensive doctoral (no medical/veterinary)

Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate

Undergraduate Profile: MFT4/S/HTI: Medium full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in

Size and Setting: L4/NR: Large four-year, primarily nonresidential

Basic RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)

SMU

Quote:Southern Methodist University
Dallas, Texas


Level 4-year or above
Control: Private not-for-profit
Student Population 10,891

Undergraduate Instructional Program: Bal/HGC: Balanced arts & sciences/professions, high graduate coexistence

Graduate Instructional Program: CompDoc/NMedVet: Comprehensive doctoral (no medical/veterinary)

Enrollment Profile: MU: Majority undergraduate

Undergraduate Profile: FT4/MS/LTI: Full-time four-year, more selective, lower transfer-in

Size and Setting: M4/R: Medium four-year, primarily residential
Basic RU/H: Research Universities (high research activity)

So looking at the ratings, UCF and UH are pretty similar. The differences:

UCF/UH: large public commuter schools, very heavily undergrad, selective with lots of transfers, and very high research.
SMU: Small private, non-commuter, less heavily undergrad, more selective with few transfer, and high research.

(note, I didn't look up 'high undergrad' vs 'majority undergrad'; I'm assuming what these mean relative to each other, so feel free to verify)

(01-18-2011 09:29 AM)frogforever Wrote:  So looking at the ratings, UCF and UH are pretty similar. The differences:

UCF/UH: large public commuter schools, very heavily undergrad, selective with lots of transfers, and very high research.
SMU: Small private, non-commuter, less heavily undergrad, more selective with few transfer, and high research.

(note, I didn't look up 'high undergrad' vs 'majority undergrad'; I'm assuming what these mean relative to each other, so feel free to verify)

I can't speak for UH, never been to Houston, but I'm assuming they are in a similar position as UCF in that the off-campus housing that is very close to the university doesn't count towards non-commuters and that they are only looking at on campus dorms.

For on-campus, yes UCF has a low percentage. I think we have roughly 10,000 dorms for students now, maybe a little less. But, there are easily another 30,000 students that live within 3 to 5 miles of the university. I would not consider these students commuters. They are mostly upperclassmen who don't want to live on campus anymore. Most of these student still live in the UCF area and are on campus everyday, they just aren't freshman anymore so they don't want to live in a dorm.

Like I said, I don't know about UH, but I'm assuming its the same situation. Both schools still have the stigma of a commuter school but both are making great strides to remove that stigma.

I commute to UCF from Jacksonville every Monday to attend class.

For those who have never been to UCF, I think you will find it interesting that UCF has the most on campus housing than any other university in the state that includes UF, FSU, USF, etc. That us why I find it so funny when people accidentally refer to UCF as a commuter school.

(01-18-2011 11:30 AM)Joshua Wrote:  I commute to UCF from Jacksonville every Monday to attend class.

Tell the girls at Crossroads on Mayport Road that I said Hi.

In all seriousness, that's a nice drive to get to Class. Why not UNF?

UCF is no more of a commuter school than the University of Florida or Florida State. There is a rediculous amount of student housing around UCF.

(01-18-2011 11:33 AM)UCFL Wrote:  For those who have never been to UCF, I think you will find it interesting that UCF has the most on campus housing than any other university in the state that includes UF, FSU, USF, etc. That us why I find it so funny when people accidentally refer to UCF as a commuter school.

Yeah I find it funny as well. UH has 37,000 students and we are working to get more of those students to live in campus housing. We are on our way with two new residential complexes and a third in the works. However, SMU has an enrollment of 10,000 students so if, I dunno, half live on campus they are considered a residential school. UH has almost SMU's entire enrollment living on campus, but we are still considered a non-residential school.

(01-18-2011 11:38 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  UCF is no more of a commuter school than the University of Florida or Florida State. There is a rediculous amount of student housing around UCF.

It gets old defending it. UCF is not FIU or USF. I wish everyone that throws out that claim would just spend a weekend in the UCF area and they would no longer make that claim. I had a friend transfer from USF to UCF for the environment and have had friends from UF and FSU that were very impressed with the atmosphere by campus. A lot of the college board sites have UCF classified as residential.
college board

Just to add ECU's to the picture:

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Level 4-year or above
Control Public
Student Population 27,654

Classification Category
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Prof+A&S/HGC: Professions plus arts & sciences, high graduate coexistence
Graduate Instructional Program: Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professional dominant
Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate
Undergraduate Profile: FT4/S/HTI: Full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in
Size and Setting: L4/NR: Large four-year, primarily nonresidential
Basic DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities
This institution participated in the following elective classification
Community Engagement Curricular Engagement and Outreach and Partnerships

The only one the has Med. Degrees

(01-18-2011 11:38 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  UCF is no more of a commuter school than the University of Florida or Florida State. There is a rediculous amount of student housing around UCF.

Actually, I believe FSU is also listed as primarily non-residential.

(01-18-2011 11:30 AM)Joshua Wrote:  I commute to UCF from Jacksonville every Monday to attend class.

That's a 2.5 hour drive. Depending on I-95 traffic. Not sure if serious...

(01-18-2011 12:34 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Just to add ECU's to the picture:

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Level 4-year or above
Control Public
Student Population 27,654

Classification Category
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Prof+A&S/HGC: Professions plus arts & sciences, high graduate coexistence
Graduate Instructional Program: Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professional dominant
Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate
Undergraduate Profile: FT4/S/HTI: Full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in
Size and Setting: L4/NR: Large four-year, primarily nonresidential
Basic DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities
This institution participated in the following elective classification
Community Engagement Curricular Engagement and Outreach and Partnerships

The only one the has Med. Degrees

I do not know when they decide to update the medical field. It might be on the next rankings, or is accidentally left off. We have had our med school for year or two now. It is relatively young.

I thought UH had a med school too, but I guess not.

In fairness, the old definitions of "residential" and "commuter" need to updated.

To me, "residential" doesn't necessarily mean living on campus, it means that most of your students are full timers not from the town/city the school is located in and so had to move there from somewhere else to live in that town full time while going to school.

To me, "commuter" means that most of your students are part timers and locals from the town/city the school is located in. Sure, some of them live on campus, but when you do it to get out of mom's basement 15 minutes away, its not the same.

(01-18-2011 01:27 PM)cretv Wrote:  

(01-18-2011 12:34 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Just to add ECU's to the picture:

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Level 4-year or above
Control Public
Student Population 27,654

Classification Category
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Prof+A&S/HGC: Professions plus arts & sciences, high graduate coexistence
Graduate Instructional Program: Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professional dominant
Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate
Undergraduate Profile: FT4/S/HTI: Full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in
Size and Setting: L4/NR: Large four-year, primarily nonresidential
Basic DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities
This institution participated in the following elective classification
Community Engagement Curricular Engagement and Outreach and Partnerships

The only one the has Med. Degrees

I do not know when they decide to update the medical field. It might be on the next rankings, or is accidentally left off. We have had our med school for year or two now. It is relatively young.

I thought UH had a med school too, but I guess not.

This is the first actual year the med school has been open. Only the second semester of classes. Trust me I work for the College of Medicine here.

It won't be updated until we actually award a degree from the med school.

(01-18-2011 12:34 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Just to add ECU's to the picture:

Quote:


Level 4-year or above
Control Public
Student Population 27,654

Classification Category
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Prof+A&S/HGC: Professions plus arts & sciences, high graduate coexistence
Graduate Instructional Program: Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professional dominant
Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate
Undergraduate Profile: FT4/S/HTI: Full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in
Size and Setting: L4/NR: Large four-year, primarily nonresidential
Basic DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities
This institution participated in the following elective classification
Community Engagement Curricular Engagement and Outreach and Partnerships

The only one the has Med. Degrees

I'm pretty sure Houston has a Doctor of Pharmacy program, and UCF has a Doctor of Medicine program. I know Pitt's Doctor of Pharmacy program brings in as much or more research dollars than most medical schools.

(01-18-2011 01:44 PM)PittDMD Wrote:  I'm pretty sure Houston has a Doctor of Pharmacy program, and UCF has a Doctor of Medicine program. I know Pitt's Doctor of Pharmacy program brings in as much or more research dollars than most medical schools.

You are correct about Houston. Houston only has a pharm school, and no med school.

(01-18-2011 01:44 PM)PittDMD Wrote:  

(01-18-2011 12:34 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Just to add ECU's to the picture:

Quote:


Level 4-year or above
Control Public
Student Population 27,654

Classification Category
Undergraduate Instructional Program: Prof+A&S/HGC: Professions plus arts & sciences, high graduate coexistence
Graduate Instructional Program: Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professional dominant
Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate
Undergraduate Profile: FT4/S/HTI: Full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in
Size and Setting: L4/NR: Large four-year, primarily nonresidential
Basic DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities
This institution participated in the following elective classification
Community Engagement Curricular Engagement and Outreach and Partnerships

The only one the has Med. Degrees

I'm pretty sure Houston has a Doctor of Pharmacy program, and UCF has a Doctor of Medicine program. I know Pitt's Doctor of Pharmacy program brings in as much or more research dollars than most medical schools.

Yes we have a Doctor of Medicine program and a brand new Medical School campus to go with it.


Now all we need to do is actually give out a degree (this is only the second semester it has been open) so that the Carnegie classification can be updated.

(01-18-2011 01:59 PM)chrisharper80 Wrote:  

(01-18-2011 01:44 PM)PittDMD Wrote:  I'm pretty sure Houston has a Doctor of Pharmacy program, and UCF has a Doctor of Medicine program. I know Pitt's Doctor of Pharmacy program brings in as much or more research dollars than most medical schools.

You are correct about Houston. Houston only has a pharm school, and no med school.

Houston's not a good candidate to add a med school, with two of the top twenty already in town (Baylor and MD Anderson).

(01-18-2011 01:31 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  In fairness, the old definitions of "residential" and "commuter" need to updated.

To me, "residential" doesn't necessarily mean living on campus, it means that most of your students are full timers not from the town/city the school is located in and so had to move there from somewhere else to live in that town full time while going to school.

To me, "commuter" means that most of your students are part timers and locals from the town/city the school is located in. Sure, some of them live on campus, but when you do it to get out of mom's basement 15 minutes away, its not the same.

You know what, if ECU is listed as a non-residential school then we should all be done giving UCF grief for being non-residential. I guess it has to do with the percentage on campus, but I would agree with the concept of kids living close to campus.

I think that term is outdated, because more kids live off campus now then in the past....and many schools have bus systems that extend out 5 to 10 miles. I have been to Penn State many times and under this definition, that would be considered non-residential campus, when in actuality the whole town is centered around the school.

Seems like it's getting harder and harder to generalize Universities...