(01-26-2010 02:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Many of them think they could bypass coming into the Sun Belt, or that they would come in and cakewalk through our conference. There are a small handful(like two, App State and Richmond) that could come in and compete right away. Neither would win the conference, but I think both would be very competitive.

i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

I hope he doesn't. Hope he stays at FIU.

DePaul did just fire their coach, and are being coached by an interim until the end of the year.

(01-26-2010 02:51 PM)RomanFIU Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 01:42 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  I think Thomas will be named HC at DePaul. Just a guess.

(01-26-2010 06:37 AM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  Whoah. What makes you say that?

I know DePaul approached him before he got the job at FIU and didn't offer back then. I don't think IT takes off just yet, not with all the big time recruits and transfers he has coming in for next year....it would be a huge shock to a lot of people.

Middle too.

(01-26-2010 03:01 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

Never say never.

The odds of a FCS team beating ANY FBS team are not good. They do it about as often as SunBelt teams beat Top 25 teams. Which is to say every couple of years at the most.

(01-26-2010 03:16 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:01 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

Never say never.

The odds of a FCS team beating ANY FBS team are not good. They do it about as often as SunBelt teams beat Top 25 teams. Which is to say every couple of years at the most.

psst...i was messing with them OF.

(01-25-2010 08:11 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(01-25-2010 06:25 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  if my only options were bringing in 1-AA teams, these would be my choices...in this order: Texas State, App State, Mo State, UTSA.

Mo State, Texas State........my 2 team short list.

Ditto . . .

(01-26-2010 03:31 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:16 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:01 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

Never say never.

The odds of a FCS team beating ANY FBS team are not good. They do it about as often as SunBelt teams beat Top 25 teams. Which is to say every couple of years at the most.

psst...i was messing with them OF.

:Facepalm:

DOH!

(01-26-2010 03:16 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:01 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

Never say never.

The odds of a FCS team beating ANY FBS team are not good. They do it about as often as SunBelt teams beat Top 25 teams. Which is to say every couple of years at the most.

Hey, you won't find an argument from me. Our secondary is terrible. Smart money is on the Trojans, given Troy's penchant for tossing the ball.

(01-26-2010 05:27 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Hey, you won't find an argument from me. Our secondary is terrible. Smart money is on the Trojans, given Troy's penchant for tossing the ball.

:clap2: glad to see we have reasonable FCS fans here. some of the teams have just ridiculously lofty opinions of themselves.

yet another reason why I'd like to see Texas State in the Sun Belt. good program and good fans.

From a Denton Record-Chronicle blog article.

People put too much emphasis on how good a school's football team is when talking about who gets invited where.

Factors like attendance, media market, travel issues and men's basketball are huge.

NCAA Tournament shares are big money makers. Conferences get one for each game a team plays in the Big Dance and they last seven years. Western Kentucky has played three extra games (or at least I think it's three) in the NCAA Tournament the last two years. That's 21 extra shares. I didn't hunt down the exact value, but in 2008, a tournament share was projected to be worth around $200,000. So that's an extra $4.2 million for the Sun Belt.

(01-26-2010 05:56 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  From a Denton Record-Chronicle blog article.

People put too much emphasis on how good a school's football team is when talking about who gets invited where.

Factors like attendance, media market, travel issues and men's basketball are huge.

NCAA Tournament shares are big money makers. Conferences get one for each game a team plays in the Big Dance and they last seven years. Western Kentucky has played three extra games (or at least I think it's three) in the NCAA Tournament the last two years. That's 21 extra shares. I didn't hunt down the exact value, but in 2008, a tournament share was projected to be worth around $200,000. So that's an extra $4.2 million for the Sun Belt.

+1 and bingo

ncaa units last for a long time and bring in the money for a conference, so it mo.st. wants in we should take them today. Their BB program is as good or better than wku's right now. They would be top two in BB most years and help give the league a chance for 2 teams in the tournament most years.

(01-26-2010 05:56 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  From a Denton Record-Chronicle blog article.

People put too much emphasis on how good a school's football team is when talking about who gets invited where.

Factors like attendance, media market, travel issues and men's basketball are huge.

NCAA Tournament shares are big money makers. Conferences get one for each game a team plays in the Big Dance and they last seven years. Western Kentucky has played three extra games (or at least I think it's three) in the NCAA Tournament the last two years. That's 21 extra shares. I didn't hunt down the exact value, but in 2008, a tournament share was projected to be worth around $200,000. So that's an extra $4.2 million for the Sun Belt.

Agree; it is not just about football. Presidents (academicians) make expansion decisions; granted they get input from their staff, but they seek like-minded institutions -- enrollment, academics, terminal degrees offered, facilities, potential, etc. It is not based on who has a good football team or who has basketball tradition. Many factors come into play -- it is not just about college sports teams.

(01-26-2010 07:28 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 05:56 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  From a Denton Record-Chronicle blog article.

People put too much emphasis on how good a school's football team is when talking about who gets invited where.

Factors like attendance, media market, travel issues and men's basketball are huge.

NCAA Tournament shares are big money makers. Conferences get one for each game a team plays in the Big Dance and they last seven years. Western Kentucky has played three extra games (or at least I think it's three) in the NCAA Tournament the last two years. That's 21 extra shares. I didn't hunt down the exact value, but in 2008, a tournament share was projected to be worth around $200,000. So that's an extra $4.2 million for the Sun Belt.

Agree; it is not just about football. Presidents (academicians) make expansion decisions; granted they get input from their staff, but they seek like-minded institutions -- enrollment, academics, terminal degrees offered, facilities, potential, etc. It is not based on who has a good football team or who has basketball tradition. Many factors come into play -- it is not just about college sports teams.

Well put, ManzanoWolf. Membership in a conference is often like being accepted into a new family - many factors come into play because the conference has to deal a lot with that member from then on, and vice-versa.

(01-26-2010 03:16 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:01 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

Never say never.

The odds of a FCS team beating ANY FBS team are not good. They do it about as often as SunBelt teams beat Top 25 teams. Which is to say every couple of years at the most.

I know App knocked off the #4 team in the country......has the SB knocked off a top 20 team?

(01-26-2010 05:49 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 05:27 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Hey, you won't find an argument from me. Our secondary is terrible. Smart money is on the Trojans, given Troy's penchant for tossing the ball.

:clap2: glad to see we have reasonable FCS fans here. some of the teams have just ridiculously lofty opinions of themselves.

yet another reason why I'd like to see Texas State in the Sun Belt. good program and good fans.

Don't take this the wrong way, but all I am saying is that GSU has proven they can win like no other team.

6 national championships in 8 title game appearances over a 15 year period. Out of ~240 FBS and FCS teams no other school has had a run like that. GSU has proven it can win on the field. What the Sun Belt needs the most is respect on the field and GSU has the potential to bring that better than anyone.

GSU Eagles, i do not doubt your team's success at the 1-AA level. however, to say that the Sun Belt NEEDS Georgia Southern is going too far. if anything, GSU NEEDS the Sun Belt. we are a Division 1 Conference, we don't NEED any FCS team. we may WANT one, but we have a good corps of teams right now.

(01-26-2010 08:32 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 05:49 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 05:27 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Hey, you won't find an argument from me. Our secondary is terrible. Smart money is on the Trojans, given Troy's penchant for tossing the ball.

:clap2: glad to see we have reasonable FCS fans here. some of the teams have just ridiculously lofty opinions of themselves.

yet another reason why I'd like to see Texas State in the Sun Belt. good program and good fans.

Don't take this the wrong way, but all I am saying is that GSU has proven they can win like no other team.

6 national championships in 8 title game appearances over a 15 year period. Out of ~240 FBS and FCS teams no other school has had a run like that. GSU has proven it can win on the field. What the Sun Belt needs the most is respect on the field and GSU has the potential to bring that better than anyone.

You realize having a national championship in FCS means nothing from the perspective of FBS right?

(01-26-2010 08:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:16 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:01 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

Never say never.

The odds of a FCS team beating ANY FBS team are not good. They do it about as often as SunBelt teams beat Top 25 teams. Which is to say every couple of years at the most.

I know App knocked off the #4 team in the country......has the SB knocked off a top 20 team?

Beating an 0-0 #4 is not the same thing as beating #4 after everyone has played three or four games. That Michigan team was (actually) #5 in both the AP and USA Today poll that pre-season when they were 0-0, but they finished 9-4 and a 6 point win over Florida(that came out flat and underestimated Michigan) in their bowl game was the only thing that got them back into either poll. Not to take anythign away from App State, but that Michigan team was not that great and certainly wasn't a top 5 team.

(01-26-2010 05:56 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  From a Denton Record-Chronicle blog article.

People put too much emphasis on how good a school's football team is when talking about who gets invited where.

Factors like attendance, media market, travel issues and men's basketball are huge.

NCAA Tournament shares are big money makers. Conferences get one for each game a team plays in the Big Dance and they last seven years. Western Kentucky has played three extra games (or at least I think it's three) in the NCAA Tournament the last two years. That's 21 extra shares. I didn't hunt down the exact value, but in 2008, a tournament share was projected to be worth around $200,000. So that's an extra $4.2 million for the Sun Belt.

you're welcome. 4.2 million isn't chump change.

how much will each school get for our 2 bowl games?

(01-27-2010 02:34 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 08:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:16 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(01-26-2010 03:01 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  i want to direct this to all of our FCS members of the community; Troy would beat every one of your football teams. im sorry, but that is just the way it is. you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is not a single FCS team represented here that I would think could beat us (save App State on a fluke). outside of some unforseen disaster, Troy would murder you.

Never say never.

The odds of a FCS team beating ANY FBS team are not good. They do it about as often as SunBelt teams beat Top 25 teams. Which is to say every couple of years at the most.

I know App knocked off the #4 team in the country......has the SB knocked off a top 20 team?

Beating an 0-0 #4 is not the same thing as beating #4 after everyone has played three or four games. That Michigan team was (actually) #5 in both the AP and USA Today poll that pre-season when they were 0-0, but they finished 9-4 and a 6 point win over Florida(that came out flat and underestimated Michigan) in their bowl game was the only thing that got them back into either poll. Not to take anythign away from App State, but that Michigan team was not that great and certainly wasn't a top 5 team.

I was on Arkansas's campus looking at cheap-ass, old Mitch Mustain jerseys when that happened. Waiting around for the beatdown Darren McFadden and Felix Jones were about to put on Troy.

One of the coolest games I've ever seen (the replay anyway), thank you Appy State for that one.