The country has had its taste of the liberals. Now Republicans need to start ACTING how they use to TALK regarding low taxes, smaller government, balanced budgets, states rights, the Constitution, and civil liberties.

If the GOP continues the Bush legacy ... we will return to Democrat super majorities and Presidencies in just a few short years.

LEARN from history.

They will say all that stuff, but once they get in it will be the same stuff. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Lower Taxes not in favor of right now. STOP SPENDING! STOP THE LEVERAGE! STOP BORROWING!

Get honest. How large are our unfunded liabilities? Address that issue. Reality sucks, but that is what we have to address.

Totally agree. GOP candidates need focus even harder and take nothing for granted. In Ohio Rob Portman should win a Senate seat for the GOP and Steve Chabot will drill Steve Driehaus for our first congressional seat.

Fiscal conservatism, and tolerate moderation on the social issues.

(01-19-2010 09:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Fiscal conservatism, and tolerate moderation on the social issues.

+1. We have to begin to get our financial house in order, not spend like a sailor in a whore house. We can debate the social issues, but can't do much if we are bankrupt as a nation.

(01-19-2010 09:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The country has had its taste of the liberals. Now Republicans need to start ACTING how they use to TALK regarding low taxes, smaller government, balanced budgets, states rights, the Constitution, and civil liberties.

If the GOP continues the Bush legacy ... we will return to Democrat super majorities and Presidencies in just a few short years.

LEARN from history.

couldn't agree more. I want it more than anyone. My age group stands to lose the most from all this liberal legislation over the past 5-9 years

(01-19-2010 09:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The country has had its taste of the liberals. Now Republicans need to start ACTING how they use to TALK regarding low taxes, smaller government, balanced budgets, states rights, the Constitution, and civil liberties.

If the GOP continues the Bush legacy ... we will return to Democrat super majorities and Presidencies in just a few short years.

LEARN from history.

J, what I said on FB, and I'm sure you saw it:

Quote:This is his PERFECT chance! When he gets done bashing Dems, say, "And fiscally-irresponsible Republicans? I'm coming after you as well!"

This election result has really enthused me; it seems that Americans may be on their way to being really, finally over the political class. Over the years I have truly underestimated the reality of our entitlement Congress, both R and D. The graft, the deviancy, the swarmyness, the lies, the cheating, the stealing, the womanizing, the spending.......

I am now repentant for 17 years of always voting for the party guy; as I mentioned before, I am never voting incumbent again, and I will vote only depending on how that candidate represents my views. I will no longer be counted on to phone bank, canvass or donate funds to the party candidate. That candidate will now earn my support.

I am no longer part of the problem, but part of the solution. I am officially................... undecided.

Viva my Revolucion!

Special Interests Lobbyists have got to go.

(01-19-2010 09:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Fiscal conservatism, and tolerate moderation on the social issues.

If you go with fiscal conservatism, you are going to have to tolerate moderation on social issues because when all we have left are the rich and the poor. If they don't offer something to the poor, they will be out on their rears really fast(assuming they don't fix the election-which is a definate possibility).

(01-19-2010 11:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This election result has really enthused me;

I felt that way in 2004. Heck a Republican even was elected governor in Maryland. But the GOP blew it. They had no vision and wasted 2 years "strategizing."

I don't see a clear agenda among GOP members. There is no vision, and thus no plan and no strategy. "Where the visions cease, the people perish."

(01-20-2010 09:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-19-2010 11:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This election result has really enthused me;

I felt that way in 2004. Heck a Republican even was elected governor in Maryland. But the GOP blew it. They had no vision and wasted 2 years "strategizing."
I don't see a clear agenda among GOP members. There is no vision, and thus no plan and no strategy. "Where the visions cease, the people perish."

I felt that way in 1994. But the GOP blew it then. They had a plan and a strategy, courtesy of the contract, they just became more interested in playing power politics than in doing the people's work.

(01-19-2010 09:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Fiscal conservatism, and tolerate moderation on the social issues.

There's a flaw w/ that line of thinking. Simply put, what is "moderation?"

Our country is FAR more moderate than it was 100, 80 or even 40 years ago, and many of those changes are beneficial. However, there are many that aren't beneficial, yet still people are saying we need to compromise more.

That's flawed thinking. And it will only lead to more problems, including fiscal matters.

(01-20-2010 09:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-20-2010 09:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-19-2010 11:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This election result has really enthused me;

I felt that way in 2004. Heck a Republican even was elected governor in Maryland. But the GOP blew it. They had no vision and wasted 2 years "strategizing."
I don't see a clear agenda among GOP members. There is no vision, and thus no plan and no strategy. "Where the visions cease, the people perish."

I felt that way in 1994. But the GOP blew it then. They had a plan and a strategy, courtesy of the contract, they just became more interested in playing power politics than in doing the people's work.

They did eventually force welfare reform. That was a significant victory.

(01-20-2010 09:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-19-2010 11:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This election result has really enthused me;

I felt that way in 2004. Heck a Republican even was elected governor in Maryland. But the GOP blew it. They had no vision and wasted 2 years "strategizing."

I don't see a clear agenda among GOP members. There is no vision, and thus no plan and no strategy. "Where the visions cease, the people perish."

My enthusiasm is more "damn it the people are voting against the entitlement Congress" more than "new clear GOP agenda."

its not complicated if you step away from idolizing ideology.

Common Sense National Political strategy:

1) Accept RINO's like Brown in Blue states, win however is needed(i.e. pragmatism). Brown is more liberal than John McCain afterall, alot more.

2) Run more moderately conservative Candidates in Purple areas/states....in Wave years like this year, you may be able to get away with a Rick Santorum but they'll only last a term probably.

3) In safe Red States the conservative litmus test of Strong Defense, National Security Common sense, domestic/fiscal Common Sense and values should be applied and Red State Dems should be targeted for defeat here as well.

and understand the basic Common Sense that any National Candidate is going to have to be some blend of all 3 above, and shephard in Senators and Congressman in all of those categories due to the Political realities at play.


Instead, they'll win, and govern like before due to the basic Math at play(barring a major 'change' around the nation), get constant negative press and propaganda thrown against them and in the end political tone deaf base will get its panty's in a wad all over again.

How is Brown a RINO? On social issues?

and fiscal, he voted for RomneyCare and supports Govt. run healthcare on state level. He's not going to have a 100 ACU rating as Senator. McCain had an 80, I expect Brown will end up around 40ish like the Maine twins assuming he thinks he can win re-election.

however, I think Social Conservatism is based on Liberty and Social Liberalism is based on chaos(anti-Liberty), but I digress.

He did run on a Conservative message on National Security and Fiscal Conservatism, however even Liberals know at a base level Obama's spending is insane.

Which is the great irony in all this btw, everyone who refused to vote for McCain and the 'unprincpled'(though pragmatic) GOP within a year have flipped and gone Pragmatic in the interest of stopping Obama(just not in an election vs. Obama).


Politics is a game. The winds pointing in correct direction for once, enjoy while it last.

btw, this probably helps the Dems going into Nov if they aren't too stupid. i.e. pull back from Obamacare, Cap in Trade and other far-left issues and focus on pragmatic centrist issues rest of year. Had brown lost, it would definitely been full steam ahead. Now that he won, assuming they aren't complete idiots(good question), it could help them some. GOP picks up seats either way, just a matter of how many.