I am usually against all the Obama bashing, but I thought this one was interesting. Let's be honest, most blacks voted for Obama beacuse he was....black(sort of). Now they are angry with him. Thoughts?
(12-22-2009 04:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: Without reading the article I would say that most blacks voted Barry because he is a democrat. Blacks vote for democrats usually around ......90%?
Yes, but they do not usually vote in the numbers that they did last year.
(12-22-2009 04:16 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote: I am usually against all the Obama bashing, but I thought this one was interesting. Let's be honest, most blacks voted for Obama beacuse he was....black(sort of). Now they are angry with him. Thoughts?
Why do blacks think they're entitled to anything just because a black guy is president? I'm largely Italian and if we get an Italian president in the next election should I expect my life to get easier by way of more handouts? Getting a black guy as president should have inspired minorities to go out and try harder to achieve success, instead it seems the crowning of the O only cemented their entitlement attitude and gave them yet another target to blame all their problems on.
(12-22-2009 04:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why do blacks think they're entitled to anything just because a black guy is president? I'm largely Italian and if we get an Italian president in the next election should I expect my life to get easier by way of more handouts? Getting a black guy as president should have inspired minorities to go out and try harder to achieve success, instead it seems the crowning of the O only cemented their entitlement attitude and gave them yet another target to blame all their problems on.
Here's where the term "African-American" should be used instead of "black".
This is not a racial issue. It is a cultural one.
There are various cultures in the US, the African American culture is one among them. And this is a hallmark of that culture.
(12-22-2009 04:16 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote: I am usually against all the Obama bashing, but I thought this one was interesting. Let's be honest, most blacks voted for Obama beacuse he was....black(sort of). Now they are angry with him. Thoughts?
(12-22-2009 04:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: Without reading the article I would say that most blacks voted Barry because he is a democrat. Blacks vote for democrats usually around ......90%?
Yes, but they do not usually vote in the numbers that they did last year.
(12-22-2009 04:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why do blacks think they're entitled to anything just because a black guy is president? I'm largely Italian and if we get an Italian president in the next election should I expect my life to get easier by way of more handouts? Getting a black guy as president should have inspired minorities to go out and try harder to achieve success, instead it seems the crowning of the O only cemented their entitlement attitude and gave them yet another target to blame all their problems on.
Here's where the term "African-American" should be used instead of "black".
This is not a racial issue. It is a cultural one.
There are various cultures in the US, the African American culture is one among them. And this is a hallmark of that culture.
I don't think this is a standing part of the culture. One thing that is the problem is the feeling that blacks have to look out for blacks because they think that whites look out for whites. It's a product of 40+ years ago, when it was true, and the assumption still remains.
(12-22-2009 04:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why do blacks think they're entitled to anything just because a black guy is president? I'm largely Italian and if we get an Italian president in the next election should I expect my life to get easier by way of more handouts? Getting a black guy as president should have inspired minorities to go out and try harder to achieve success, instead it seems the crowning of the O only cemented their entitlement attitude and gave them yet another target to blame all their problems on.
Here's where the term "African-American" should be used instead of "black".
This is not a racial issue. It is a cultural one.
There are various cultures in the US, the African American culture is one among them. And this is a hallmark of that culture.
I don't think this is a standing part of the culture. One thing that is the problem is the feeling that blacks have to look out for blacks because they think that whites look out for whites. It's a product of 40+ years ago, when it was true, and the assumption still remains.
I won't question you on this point. It certainly makes sense to me. But it seems like African Americans abandon other blacks (in terms of politics) when they don't think they're getting what they ought to. I look at Michael Steele, Colin Powell, Condalleeza Rice. They all caught grief from the larger community.
(12-22-2009 04:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why do blacks think they're entitled to anything just because a black guy is president? I'm largely Italian and if we get an Italian president in the next election should I expect my life to get easier by way of more handouts? Getting a black guy as president should have inspired minorities to go out and try harder to achieve success, instead it seems the crowning of the O only cemented their entitlement attitude and gave them yet another target to blame all their problems on.
Here's where the term "African-American" should be used instead of "black".
This is not a racial issue. It is a cultural one.
There are various cultures in the US, the African American culture is one among them. And this is a hallmark of that culture.
I don't think this is a standing part of the culture. One thing that is the problem is the feeling that blacks have to look out for blacks because they think that whites look out for whites. It's a product of 40+ years ago, when it was true, and the assumption still remains.
I won't question you on this point. It certainly makes sense to me. But it seems like African Americans abandon other blacks (in terms of politics) when they don't think they're getting what they ought to. I look at Michael Steele, Colin Powell, Condalleeza Rice. They all caught grief from the larger community.
Simply explained, it's just the way it works. I don't think it's this entitlement claim, but more of a set of broken promises. It's actually the only time that a president has geared the bulk of his campaign to black america. This lead to the first set of real promises that weren't given. When that happens, it hurts.
But the majority didn't know about Steele before he got on national news when they got an office. Colin Powell was still respected within the community even after he got in the last administration.
(This post was last modified: 12-22-2009 07:01 PM by nomad2u2001.)
My first post. {lease excuse appearance. Re President Obama and Black expectations. No general conclusions can be trusted. All ethnic groupings, yours, mine, all colors, and backgrounds are producing different and unpredictable results. We as a Nation are becoming increasingly splintered. The major parties reflect this. What are Democrats? What are Republicans? Each individual will give you a different "platform". One thinig, only, appears to hold water: Groupings seem to gravitate increasingly to "Big" guys, vs "Little" guys.
(12-22-2009 06:39 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I don't think this is a standing part of the culture. One thing that is the problem is the feeling that blacks have to look out for blacks because they think that whites look out for whites. It's a product of 40+ years ago, when it was true, and the assumption still remains.
NEWSFLASH: We don't "look out for other whites". We look out for one and only. If I can buy a product from a black store cheaper than a white store, whitey is f'ed.
(12-22-2009 06:39 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I don't think this is a standing part of the culture. One thing that is the problem is the feeling that blacks have to look out for blacks because they think that whites look out for whites. It's a product of 40+ years ago, when it was true, and the assumption still remains.
NEWSFLASH: We don't "look out for other whites". We look out for one and only. If I can buy a product from a black store cheaper than a white store, whitey is f'ed.
Don't know where that misconception came from.
You know the time that it came from as well as I do. As to my understanding you aren't a product of that time, like myself. But then it was that type of game and some people don't want to leave that game's mentality even though that's probably one of the last steps to finally being one america.
(12-22-2009 06:39 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I don't think this is a standing part of the culture. One thing that is the problem is the feeling that blacks have to look out for blacks because they think that whites look out for whites. It's a product of 40+ years ago, when it was true, and the assumption still remains.
NEWSFLASH: We don't "look out for other whites". We look out for one and only. If I can buy a product from a black store cheaper than a white store, whitey is f'ed.
Don't know where that misconception came from.
You know the time that it came from as well as I do. As to my understanding you aren't a product of that time, like myself. But then it was that type of game and some people don't want to leave that game's mentality even though that's probably one of the last steps to finally being one america.
I'd rather not dwell in the past, especially a past I never took part in. Hell, we have black guys getting CMA awards these days. Brad Paisley has a hit that talks all about the negative effects of the Jim Crow days.
Those days are gone. Black people are moving down south from the north. I'd venture to say there is a lot more racism up north than down south. Having been born, raised, and living here now, if someone says it exists, it's generally more politics-based, not race.
(12-22-2009 06:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: But the majority didn't know about Steele before he got on national news when they got an office. Colin Powell was still respected within the community even after he got in the last administration.
Steele was rejected outright by MD black voters. The WaPo and Sun ran articles about this.
I saw, with my own eyes, man-on-the-street interviews on News Channel 8 where DC blacks criticized Powell. Said he didn't understand African Americans.
Quote:but more of a set of broken promises. It's actually the only time that a president has geared the bulk of his campaign to black america. This lead to the first set of real promises that weren't given. When that happens, it hurts.
(12-22-2009 06:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: But the majority didn't know about Steele before he got on national news when they got an office. Colin Powell was still respected within the community even after he got in the last administration.
Steele was rejected outright by MD black voters. The WaPo and Sun ran articles about this.
I saw, with my own eyes, man-on-the-street interviews on News Channel 8 where DC blacks criticized Powell. Said he didn't understand African Americans.
Quote:but more of a set of broken promises. It's actually the only time that a president has geared the bulk of his campaign to black america. This lead to the first set of real promises that weren't given. When that happens, it hurts.
(12-22-2009 06:39 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I don't think this is a standing part of the culture. One thing that is the problem is the feeling that blacks have to look out for blacks because they think that whites look out for whites. It's a product of 40+ years ago, when it was true, and the assumption still remains.
NEWSFLASH: We don't "look out for other whites". We look out for one and only. If I can buy a product from a black store cheaper than a white store, whitey is f'ed.
Don't know where that misconception came from.
The Africans that were brought to this country as slaves came almost exclusively from tribal cultures. They have thousands of years of tribal philosophy ingrained into their culture.
It is natural to assume everyone is like you, but it is the most common mistake of all.
None of the dominant European cultures were tribal. We have thousands of years of a culture of independent action where joining together is done only when required for defense.
These are two radically different backgrounds. Each side tends to assume the other is (or should be) like them. Well, we aren't alike. We aren't going to be alike for several more generations at best.
That does not mean we can't coexist and even prosper, but it isn't likely to happen until we identify, admit, and deal with our core cultural differences.
