http://www.detnews.com/article/20091213/...Cincy-jobs

Interesting name, Scott Loeffler, mentioned as possible HC at UB and CMU, if Jones leaves.

Scott Loeffler was a major candidate at EMU 12 months ago.

(12-13-2009 04:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  http://www.detnews.com/article/20091213/...Cincy-jobs

Interesting name, Scott Loeffler, mentioned as possible HC at UB and CMU, if Jones leaves.

Scott Loeffler was a major candidate at EMU 12 months ago.

Loeffler would be a decent choice; he's at least familiar with both CMU and the MAC. However, he does have the Michigan assistant coach stigma attached to him...

Based on this article, it appears the Herd fans were jumping the gun by saying Jones was already offered. Holtz in the mix at Cincinnati makes that interesting as well.

Bottom-line, if Butch goes to Marshall, intangibles are at work (family or personal preference), because their reported offer is not that much more than what CMU is making. Cincinatti would be more understandable, except for being once again in BK's shadow, as I've stated previously.

I still think there's a chance Butch remains at CMU for a couple seasons more, but I'd say the chance is only about 34% right now (not based on insider info, just a gut feeling).

I agree with CMF. And remember, it's the Detroit News for Chrissakes! I don't think he's got a sh!thole's chance of being CMU's next coach!

Based on the coaches that Heeke has hired over the past few years, Scott Loeffler just doesn't seem to fit.

Detnews may just be regurgitating the names that came up in the EMU search.

CMU is losing a lot of firepower next year and isn't likely to go 10-2 again. If Jones is going to leave CMU then he should do it now.

(12-14-2009 04:09 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Detnews may just be regurgitating the names that came up in the EMU search.

CMU is losing a lot of firepower next year and isn't likely to go 10-2 again. If Jones is going to leave CMU then he should do it now.

I'm actually more worried about our defense (losing six starters and a couple of quality reserves) than our offense (losing three starters, although obviously damn good ones). The new QB will have three of the top four WRs back and our TE, every RB who has a carry this season, and 4/5 of the OL. That's about as good a surrounding cast as you could want.

I hope Jones doesn't leave. I would hate to have a ranked CMU lay an egg in their bowl due to a coaching change after such a nice season. Similar to BSU last year, although they were already skidding a bit heading in. This is why I hate all of the coaching turn between the season and the bowls. These coaches should finish what they started!

(12-14-2009 08:10 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I hope Jones doesn't leave. I would hate to have a ranked CMU lay an egg in their bowl due to a coaching change after such a nice season. Similar to BSU last year, although they were already skidding a bit heading in. This is why I hate all of the coaching turn between the season and the bowls. These coaches should finish what they started!

Agreed.

If the NCAA members can't choose to behave respectfully, then the NCAA will have to legislate something akin to the NFL restrictions.

(12-14-2009 08:20 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-14-2009 08:10 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I hope Jones doesn't leave. I would hate to have a ranked CMU lay an egg in their bowl due to a coaching change after such a nice season. Similar to BSU last year, although they were already skidding a bit heading in. This is why I hate all of the coaching turn between the season and the bowls. These coaches should finish what they started!

Agreed.

If the NCAA members can't choose to behave respectfully, then the NCAA will have to legislate something akin to the NFL restrictions.

There's a clause in Butch's contract that would make swiping him before our bowl game a pretty expensive proposition (I don't have the figures readily available; someone else help me out?), so I don't think that's a big problem. It would be nice if the NCAA could legislate something to prevent coaches leaving before the postseason ends, but I have a feeling there would be some legal issues there?

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There's a clause in Butch's contract that would make swiping him before our bowl game a pretty expensive proposition (I don't have the figures readily available; someone else help me out?), so I don't think that's a big problem. It would be nice if the NCAA could legislate something to prevent coaches leaving before the postseason ends, but I have a feeling there would be some legal issues there?
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I think that coaches need to stick to their contracts. Whats the point of signing the contract if your not going to live up to it. Unless fired you should be stuck. I dont see how its fair that schools have to continue to pay a coach if fired but the school gets the joy of finding a new coach and possibly a payout.

Quote:I think that coaches need to stick to their contracts. Whats the point of signing the contract if your not going to live up to it. Unless fired you should be stuck. I dont see how its fair that schools have to continue to pay a coach if fired but the school gets the joy of finding a new coach and possibly a payout.

Jones's contract also has a buyout clause, so if he leaves at all, CMU gets some compensation. It's just more compensation if he leaves before coaching in the bowl game. It's all covered in the contract; not sure there's much more a school can do.

(12-14-2009 08:28 PM)CMichFan Wrote:  

(12-14-2009 08:20 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-14-2009 08:10 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I hope Jones doesn't leave. I would hate to have a ranked CMU lay an egg in their bowl due to a coaching change after such a nice season. Similar to BSU last year, although they were already skidding a bit heading in. This is why I hate all of the coaching turn between the season and the bowls. These coaches should finish what they started!

Agreed.

If the NCAA members can't choose to behave respectfully, then the NCAA will have to legislate something akin to the NFL restrictions.

There's a clause in Butch's contract that would make swiping him before our bowl game a pretty expensive proposition (I don't have the figures readily available; someone else help me out?), so I don't think that's a big problem. It would be nice if the NCAA could legislate something to prevent coaches leaving before the postseason ends, but I have a feeling there would be some legal issues there?

Drew Ellis from the Mt. Pleasant Morning Sun has indicated that if Jones leaves before the GMAC Bowl CMU has a $700,000.00 buy out clause. After the bowl game it drops to $475,000.00 I believe. See the 7th paragraph in the article below.


http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/20...032883.txt

So if Jones does happen to leave, CMU would at least have some money to start off with to hire a new coach/staff.

Does anyone have a stat for how coaches who have already accepted another job perform in a bowl game? My guess is that an interim coach is probably just as likely to coach a team to victory as a lame duck coach getting ready to leave town.

Re: If the NCAA members can't choose to behave respectfully, then the NCAA will have to legislate something akin to the NFL restrictions.

In major college football, it's the "Gang of Six" BCS cartel that dictates the rules. Since they raid head coaches from nonBCS schools far more often the not, it is not in THEIR best interests to institute such a restriction.

Indeed, when have BCS schools collectively had the NCAA do anything in the best interests of college football as a whole. Bueller?

Remember a few years ago when teams could not count wins against I-AA opponents toward bowl eligibility? Well, that changed when nonBCS schools discovered this rule provided them with some leverage regarding payouts and bargaining for 2/1's (and in some cases 1/1's) with BCS teams. So the rule was changed to allow one win against I-AA teams to count.

Now the Big XII Commissioner is submitting a proposal to allow all 6-6 teams without a bowl tie-in to be eligible for at-large slots in front of teams with winning records. I'm not even going to expound on this one because it makes me sick.

Quote:Now the Big XII Commissioner is submitting a proposal to allow all 6-6 teams without a bowl tie-in to be eligible for at-large slots in front of teams with winning records. I'm not even going to expound on this one because it makes me sick.

+1

(12-14-2009 11:20 PM)CMichFan Wrote:  

Quote:I think that coaches need to stick to their contracts. Whats the point of signing the contract if your not going to live up to it. Unless fired you should be stuck. I dont see how its fair that schools have to continue to pay a coach if fired but the school gets the joy of finding a new coach and possibly a payout.

Jones's contract also has a buyout clause, so if he leaves at all, CMU gets some compensation. It's just more compensation if he leaves before coaching in the bowl game. It's all covered in the contract; not sure there's much more a school can do.

Its smart thinking by MAC schools as significant buyouts are becoming more and more common. That will prevent coaches from moving to the MWC as they've done in the past.