The Kalamazoo Gazette's Graham Couch has a column about Temple today. This might be his best point:

It makes no sense for Temple to pull the rest of its sports out of the more geographically friendly Atlantic 10, or risk its nationally respected men’s basketball program to a league that’s plummeted in standing while budgeting for hoops with football’s spare change.

Over/under on number of posts before I have to lock this thread: 10

Some might say that Steinbrecher values MBK more than FB, so any long-term relationship with Temple and the MAC could be worth it.

Temple is not looking to have its cake and eat it too. I think they would be more then willing to give up one but not both of those points... more travel costs or a downgrade for the 8th winningest basketball program of all time....not both.

Talk is cheap.

This author provides no support for his claim that Temple fb benefits the MAC.

The perfect example is this quote, "Don’t think the Big East Conference doesn’t notice a 9-3 football program, with first-class facilities and a BCS budget, in a major media market on the Northeast corridor that it no longer occupies in football." which serves no purpose in supporting any proposition.

Sheesh, why do so many journalists abhor thinking?

(12-01-2009 10:25 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Talk is cheap.

This author provides no support for his claim that Temple fb benefits the MAC.

The perfect example is this quote, "Don’t think the Big East Conference doesn’t notice a 9-3 football program, with first-class facilities and a BCS budget, in a major media market on the Northeast corridor that it no longer occupies in football." which serves no purpose in supporting any proposition.

Sheesh, why do so many journalists abhor thinking?

In reality since joining the MAC :
1) How many BCS wins has Temple got ?
2) How many wins over a team w/a winning record have they got since joining the MAC ?

(12-01-2009 10:25 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Talk is cheap.

This author provides no support for his claim that Temple fb benefits the MAC.

The perfect example is this quote, "Don’t think the Big East Conference doesn’t notice a 9-3 football program, with first-class facilities and a BCS budget, in a major media market on the Northeast corridor that it no longer occupies in football." which serves no purpose in supporting any proposition.

Sheesh, why do so many journalists abhor thinking?

How likely is the Big East to say "Welcome back" in light of the fact that they just kicked them out? I don't follow football much but it seems like BE would want a lnoger track hx of success and there may be other, better candidates out there if they are even looking to add anyone.


I don't blame Temple for maintaining the staus quo-certainily has benefitted them-I'm not sold on the benefits to the MAC just yet.

(12-01-2009 10:36 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  How likely is the Big East to say "Welcome back" in light of the fact that they just kicked them out? I don't follow football much but it seems like BE would want a lnoger track hx of success and there may be other, better candidates out there if they are even looking to add anyone.


I don't blame Temple for maintaining the staus quo-certainily has benefitted them-I'm not sold on the benefits to the MAC just yet.

I'm not either. To think along this line you must have gone to a top HS H2O (you obviously didn't matriculate well).

Anyway, that's what I was hoping this author would provide, some evidence of the MAC benefitting from Temple's membership. I still don't see any.

If it's a matter of finding another E Coast team, and limiting travel by emphasizing divisional match-ups in order for Temple to join all sports...it's worth considering.

But this needs to be a win-win situation. Not a "MAC helps revive any and every team" situation.

(12-01-2009 10:36 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I don't blame Temple for maintaining the staus quo-certainily has benefitted them-I'm not sold on the benefits to the MAC just yet.

I don't blame them either. Does anybody have a comparison of the basketball budgets in the A-10 vs the MAC? I'm sure there are some A-10 teams that are in the MAC neighborhood in budgets but we don't have anybody that comes close to the higher $ budgets in the A-10. If push comes to shove they would step away from football before they would join basketball unless we drastically change what we spend on basketball.

I haven't kept up on these threads, so my apologies if this has been asked before:

If it were available to them, how many MAC schools would take the option of remaining in the MAC for FB, and migrating to the A10 for all other sports?

I'm not at all saying it's a feasible thing, and not trying to seed a bogus rumor .. I'm just wondering if any MAC fans would prefer Temple's current situation to their own?

(12-01-2009 11:12 AM)OUVan Wrote:  

(12-01-2009 10:36 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I don't blame Temple for maintaining the staus quo-certainily has benefitted them-I'm not sold on the benefits to the MAC just yet.

I don't blame them either. Does anybody have a comparison of the basketball budgets in the A-10 vs the MAC? I'm sure there are some A-10 teams that are in the MAC neighborhood in budgets but we don't have anybody that comes close to the higher $ budgets in the A-10. If push comes to shove they would step away from football before they would join basketball unless we drastically change what we spend on basketball.

$3,826,711 Xavier
$3,065,916 Temple
$3,025,012 Dayton
$2,937,331 Massachusetts
$2,903,173 Saint Joseph's
$2,858,792 Saint Louis
$2,726,362 George Washington
$2,456,453 Rhode Island
$2,316,516 Fordham
$2,118,244 Richmond
$2,098,919 La Salle
$1,952,344 Charlotte
$1,922,946 Duquesne
$1,591,173 Saint Bonaventure
___________

$1,592,334 Kent State
$1,519,045 Ball State
$1,516,397 Akron
$1,442,231 Northern Illinois
$1,432,379 Ohio
$1,419,033 Western Michigan
$1,417,104 Miami (Oh.)
$1,369,131 Central Michigan
$1,336,303 Toledo
$1,190,624 Bowling Green
$1,127,976 Eastern Michigan
$1,123,736 Buffalo

Yeah...

(12-01-2009 10:41 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  I'm not either. To think along this line you must have gone to a top HS H2O (you obviously didn't matriculate well).

Yeah, our family typically had a big fall-off after high school, but given the high school who wouldn't? My oldest brother nearly bottomed out and ended up at BG. I was slightly better at UT but the real family tragedy was my next older brother who became a Spartan. A difficult time for our family.

(12-01-2009 11:22 AM)Zip Watcher Wrote:  I haven't kept up on these threads, so my apologies if this has been asked before:

If it were available to them, how many MAC schools would take the option of remaining in the MAC for FB, and migrating to the A10 for all other sports?

I'm not at all saying it's a feasible thing, and not trying to seed a bogus rumor .. I'm just wondering if any MAC fans would prefer Temple's current situation to their own?

As a Golden Flash, this is very intriguing.

(12-01-2009 12:12 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2009 10:41 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  I'm not either. To think along this line you must have gone to a top HS H2O (you obviously didn't matriculate well).

Yeah, our family typically had a big fall-off after high school, but given the high school who wouldn't?

I certainly did.

Quote: but the real family tragedy was my next older brother who became a Spartan. A difficult time for our family.

I feel your pain.

(12-01-2009 12:12 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2009 10:41 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  I'm not either. To think along this line you must have gone to a top HS H2O (you obviously didn't matriculate well).

Yeah, our family typically had a big fall-off after high school, but given the high school who wouldn't? My oldest brother nearly bottomed out and ended up at BG. I was slightly better at UT but the real family tragedy was my next older brother who became a Spartan. A difficult time for our family.

And an even tougher time for him.

Rounding out Graham Couch's article with today's result, Temple beat WMU 76-70, but David Kool was a beast (30 points).

http://themacdaily.com/index.php?news&nid=268

Yeah, he couldn't miss for the first half. Him trying to post up Ryan Brooks and promptly getting stuffed tremendously in the second half was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Very, very nice write-up on Temple WMU game...

Kalamazoo Gazette

(12-01-2009 10:41 PM)TheMACer Wrote:  Rounding out Graham Couch's article with today's result, Temple beat WMU 76-70, but David Kool was a beast (30 points).

http://themacdaily.com/index.php?news&nid=268

Kool will continue to be the best player on the floor in most of the games in which he plays. Guy looks like an accountant- drives me nuts when he just kills us. Sounds like he did the same to Temple, to no avail.

(12-02-2009 12:19 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2009 10:41 PM)TheMACer Wrote:  Rounding out Graham Couch's article with today's result, Temple beat WMU 76-70, but David Kool was a beast (30 points).

http://themacdaily.com/index.php?news&nid=268

Kool will continue to be the best player on the floor in most of the games in which he plays. Guy looks like an accountant- drives me nuts when he just kills us. Sounds like he did the same to Temple, to no avail.

He just kept spotting up and hitting them and we figured he would cool down (not intended), which he eventually did. He's a very good player, but got a little reckless at the end.