In his own words, Obama admits that he is a Muslim. Obama bowing before a Muslim king. Obama talking about his Muslim family. Obama quoting from the Koran. Obama defending Islam. Obama visiting a Mosque. And many more clips of Obama and his Muslim connections
He didn't admit in any way shape or form that he is a Muslim, yet the title of this post is "Obama admits that he is a Muslim.
If such kerrrrazy lines such as "many American's have lived in a Muslim majority country" mean that one is a Muslim, than holy crap that means I am Muslim!
And the Muslim adhan is quite beautiful. Especially in the early morning and at evening.
(11-03-2009 04:59 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Allllllrighty then.
He didn't admit in any way shape or form that he is a Muslim, yet the title of this post is "Obama admits that he is a Muslim.
If such kerrrrazy lines such as "many American's have lived in a Muslim majority country" mean that one is a Muslim, than holy crap that means I am Muslim!
And the Muslim adhan is quite beautiful. Especially in the early morning and at evening.
Alllllfighty then.
Show me where he has extolled the same adolation and alocades to the Jewish religion, the Catholic religion, or any other religion.
The evidence is before yoour freaking eyes!!! Why do you not see?
"The Muslim call to prayer is the prettiest sound on earth."
? Not to anyone who's not Muslim. That's like a Christian saying "the sweetest name is Jesus". Only to a Christian. It's just a name to anyone else.
1:05 "John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith."
I'm not a Christian and I don't talk about my Christian faith. Obviously, not being a Christian I wouldn't have a Christian faith.
"America is not and never will be at war with Islam."
Is there anyone other than Muslims in this country sitting this war out? Well, some of them aren't sitting it out, they're just on the other side.
He certainly looked as though he were in a place holy to him in that mosque. I've never seen him look so reverently at his surroundings any where else.
I don't know if he's a follower of that child rapist or not, but he certainly has the same objective as Islam. The destruction of America.
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2009 06:52 PM by Paul M.)
(11-03-2009 06:48 PM)Paul M Wrote: "The Muslim call to prayer is the prettiest sound on earth."
? Not to anyone who's not Muslim. That's like a Christian saying "the sweetest name is Jesus". Only to a Christian. It's just a name to anyone else.
1:05 "John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith."
I'm not a Christian and I don't talk about my Christian faith. Obviously, not being a Christian I wouldn't have a Christian faith.
Given the context that seems like a pretty big indictment that Obama considers himself muslim. If he weren't, he wouldn't use the possessive so readily. That was a big one.
However, the abrupt cuts in this video are a disservice, because it's clear they're taking his words out of context. That's not the way to convince others.
Obama's reverence to the "Holy Koran" and ability to speak the words with precision, make it pretty clear he's versed in this religion.
I didn't like the cuts either. I know they were trying to cram a lot into a short time, but it would have been nice if they had at least supplied links to the full context.
(11-03-2009 06:03 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Show me where he has extolled the same adolation and alocades to the Jewish religion, the Catholic religion, or any other religion.
If he did, would you then claim he is Jewish or Catholic?
(11-03-2009 06:03 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Show me where he has extolled the same adolation and alocades to the Jewish religion, the Catholic religion, or any other religion.
If he did, would you then claim he is Jewish or Catholic?
I didn't think so.
He is the president. He should not extol one religion over another. Remember he went to a Christian church for 20 years? Remember he is half-white, but identities as black. The man identifies himself as Muslim. Period.
(11-04-2009 08:01 AM)DrTorch Wrote: Given the context that seems like a pretty big indictment that Obama considers himself muslim. If he weren't, he wouldn't use the possessive so readily. That was a big one.
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Obama's reverence to the "Holy Koran" and ability to speak the words with precision, make it pretty clear he's versed in this religion.
Dude, with mucho respect this is the weakest thing I think I have ever seen you post here. As opposed to him trashing the Quran? Every major political office holder in this country tip-toes around any mention of the Quran! Why would the President of the United States of America be any different?
And with Obama's known reliance on a teleprompter, is him being versed really a surprise?
Like Obama, I've lived in Indonesia, so I am more versed in Islam than your regular Joe. Does Obama gain points by being ignorant of Islam, considering that in many ways certain elements of Islam are huge threats to the West?
This is purely POLITICAL, and part of Obama's FP direction. He is looking to placate the world with platitudes, none of this should be surprising nor frankly worrying as it pertains to a "secret Muslim agenda."
Obama is no more Muslim than your Aunt. I hold much more concern about Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright and how Wright's firebrand racism has molded Obama.
I simply don't understand all these flanking attacks on Obama the man. It is his policies that deserve our undivided attention.
(11-04-2009 09:46 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Every major political office holder in this country tip-toes around any mention of the Quran! Why would the President of the United States of America be any different?
Tip-toeing around it and masturbating to it are quite different things.
(11-04-2009 09:46 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Every major political office holder in this country tip-toes around any mention of the Quran! Why would the President of the United States of America be any different?
Tip-toeing around it and masturbating to it are quite different things.
Well, I do see your point on that...... it would probably be better for him just to shut up about it......
(11-04-2009 08:01 AM)DrTorch Wrote: Given the context that seems like a pretty big indictment that Obama considers himself muslim. If he weren't, he wouldn't use the possessive so readily. That was a big one.
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Obama's reverence to the "Holy Koran" and ability to speak the words with precision, make it pretty clear he's versed in this religion.
It is his policies that deserve our undivided attention.
Bingo. Folks pushing this agenda, like the Birthers, undermine the credibility of legitimate criticisms.
And really, this video is violently edited. There is no way it can be taken seriously.
(11-04-2009 08:01 AM)DrTorch Wrote: Given the context that seems like a pretty big indictment that Obama considers himself muslim. If he weren't, he wouldn't use the possessive so readily. That was a big one.
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Obama's reverence to the "Holy Koran" and ability to speak the words with precision, make it pretty clear he's versed in this religion.
It is his policies that deserve our undivided attention.
Bingo. Folks pushing this agenda, like the Birthers, undermine the credibility of legitimate criticisms.
Why? You don't think that pushing a Muslim agenda, much like pushing his Marxist agenda, is a legitimate criticism? Or at least a topic that is open to discussion and evaluation?
Asking for the birth certificate is completely credible...because it begs the question if Obama hates these small laws that affect him, what is his attitude toward big laws that affect him? If he believes he's above these little laws, why assume he respects any law?
Compartmentalizing a celebrity's life (or our own life) makes no sense. There's a reason why the word "integrity" is so closely tied to "honor."
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2009 11:31 AM by DrTorch.)
(11-04-2009 11:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote: Why? You don't think that pushing a Muslim agenda, much like pushing his Marxist agenda, is a legitimate criticism? Or at least a topic that is open to discussion and evaluation?
Where is Obama pushing a Muslim agenda?
My last notes on American foreign policy show Americans still in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East, Gitmo is still running strong, the Patriot Act is still catching Islamic terrorists and Obama doesn't observe any of the five pillars of Islam.
The only pro-Muslim thing Obama has done is his bizarre disdain for Israel. But is that really pro-Muslim?
11-04-2009 11:42 AM
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(11-04-2009 08:01 AM)DrTorch Wrote: Given the context that seems like a pretty big indictment that Obama considers himself muslim. If he weren't, he wouldn't use the possessive so readily. That was a big one.
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Obama's reverence to the "Holy Koran" and ability to speak the words with precision, make it pretty clear he's versed in this religion.
It is his policies that deserve our undivided attention.
Bingo. Folks pushing this agenda, like the Birthers, undermine the credibility of legitimate criticisms.
And really, this video is violently edited. There is no way it can be taken seriously.
Your yardstick of legitimate criticisms is not mine, but according to you, my yardstick does not seem to matter. Mighty white of you.
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2009 11:52 AM by SumOfAllFears.)
(11-04-2009 08:01 AM)DrTorch Wrote: Given the context that seems like a pretty big indictment that Obama considers himself muslim. If he weren't, he wouldn't use the possessive so readily. That was a big one.
snip
Obama's reverence to the "Holy Koran" and ability to speak the words with precision, make it pretty clear he's versed in this religion.
It is his policies that deserve our undivided attention.
Bingo. Folks pushing this agenda, like the Birthers, undermine the credibility of legitimate criticisms.
Why? You don't think that pushing a Muslim agenda, much like pushing his Marxist agenda, is a legitimate criticism? Or at least a topic that is open to discussion and evaluation?
No, I don't think he's pushing a Muslim agenda. And I think this video is a hatchet edit job to make an extreme and unfounded point. If I thought it was possible that Obama WAS pushing a Muslim agenda, then I'd agree that this is a legitimate criticism.
DrTorch Wrote:Asking for the birth certificate is completely credible...because it begs the question if Obama hates these small laws that affect him, what is his attitude toward big laws that affect him? If he believes he's above these little laws, why assume he respects any law?
First, I'm doubtful that the birth certificate issue is real. I almost always find large conspiracies difficult to swallow, especially when they pertain to government. I agree that small laws are important, but I think that there are much more important issues in play right now and dealing with this particular small law is a massive distraction from those bigger issues.
SumOfAllFears Wrote:Your yardstick of legitimate criticisms is not mine, but according to you, my yardstick does not seem to matter. Mighty white of you.
I'm sorry if it read like I'm trying to censor or dismiss; that's not the case. Let me put it like this: I think there are moderates and even some liberals that could be convinced that Obama's administration is performing poorly. If they want him out of office in 2012, the president's opponents are going to have to get those moderates and liberals on board with their thinking. I think they have a much better chance of doing so if they focus on flawed health care reform and dangerous fiscal policies, among other things. These problems are easy to document and describe, and don't require tricky editing or conspiracy theories. When confronted by birther or Obama-is-Muslim videos or articles, I think there is a risk that many of those moderates and nearly all the liberals will be sufficiently distracted to discount the more substantial criticisms.
