(07-01-2009 08:50 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 08:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 08:27 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  With all of the extensively qualifed conservative candidates, the Palin obsession amazes me.

"Qualified" seems to be a euphamism for "moderate" or "compliant."

Bush conceded many issues to the political left, from immigration to medicare reform to deficit spending. He was castrated for all of those, and worse the GOP lost it's will to stay the course on small gov't, opening the door to the current administration.

When the left trots out the term "qualified," I don't give a damn. That's their opinion, and frankly we've already established we have differing opinions.

To me "qualified" means having the capabilities, and experience to perform the job at a reasonable level.

Then no one on the Dem ticket was qualified. That's why it's a pretty bizarre argument to throw at Palin, since she actually has executive experience over a pretty darn big land mass.

(07-01-2009 07:25 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-30-2009 11:15 PM)At Ease Wrote:  SNL quoted her verbatim for skits....

bull****. She never said anything about seeing Alaska from her house or half the **** they had in their skits.

Are you normally snowed by a comedy show?

Wow. Talk about a blind following.

Getting lectured about blind partisanship. That is something else.

This is the skit I was referring to:



I'm not sure why you guys felt the need to point out that not every Tina Fey impersonation was based on Palin's exact words.


EDIT: Ah, I see dwr already posted a better youtube of it.

(07-01-2009 08:37 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  It's not her views these people hate, it's her.

I dislike her views first and foremost, and her idiocy and shameless shallow self promotion secondly.

(07-01-2009 07:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm not sure what she has ever done as a biblical literalist that would get me upset. I'm agnostic, not that that matters much, and I don't want the mullahs running anything. Is she pro death penalty? So am I. Does she want creationism taught along side evolution? I just don't want either taught as proven fact. Is she pro life? A man and a woman?

What has she done because of her beliefs (everyone has there own) in an official capacity to turn you off of her?

Nothing...I have no problem with biblical literalists. I just would prefer not to have one a heartbeat away from being POTUS.

(07-01-2009 08:27 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  With all of the extensively qualifed conservative candidates, the Palin obsession amazes me.

+1..This

(07-01-2009 11:03 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 08:37 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  It's not her views these people hate, it's her.

I dislike her views first and foremost, and her idiocy and shameless shallow self promotion secondly.

Coming from you, that's extra funny. If hypocrisy were currency, you'd be a wealthy individual.

(07-01-2009 11:03 AM)Artifice Wrote:  I dislike her views first and foremost,

I wasn't referring to you specifically.

Quote:and her idiocy and shameless shallow self promotion secondly.

She's a politician. Isn't this kind of a given?

(07-01-2009 11:17 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 11:03 AM)Artifice Wrote:  I dislike her views first and foremost,

I wasn't referring to you specifically.

Quote:and her idiocy and shameless shallow self promotion secondly.

She's a politician. Isn't this kind of a given?

This

(07-01-2009 11:08 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 07:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm not sure what she has ever done as a biblical literalist that would get me upset. I'm agnostic, not that that matters much, and I don't want the mullahs running anything. Is she pro death penalty? So am I. Does she want creationism taught along side evolution? I just don't want either taught as proven fact. Is she pro life? A man and a woman?

What has she done because of her beliefs (everyone has there own) in an official capacity to turn you off of her?

Nothing...I have no problem with biblical literalists. I just would prefer not to have one a heartbeat away from being POTUS.

"Thou shall not steal"
"Thou shall not bear false witness against they neighbor"
Take care of the poor, orphans and widows.

Yeah, who'd want someone like that in charge?!

(07-01-2009 11:17 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  She's a politician. Isn't this kind of a given?

They're all shameless self promoters, but her particular shtick to get elected as someone you like, or because she's "hot" (boy is that ever subjective) is exactly what is wrong with our political system right now. You guys have crucified (even going so far as tout him on a cross with your own designed images) Obama for shallowness in terms of his experience and "slick" (aka very measured and controlled) handling of the media, but this dumb broad basicly makes the case that the soccer mom two doors down from you should be veep.

I'm not that big of a fan of the establishment, and it is becoming more and more apparent that Obama is just as establishment as the rest of them, but a Palin is not the answer. That's the stupid reform option.

We have a lot of supposed "lift yourself up by the bootstraps" types here, and yet most of these are just blindly loyal republican partisans (apparently because of social issues such as OH NOES TEH GAYS), because they're busy playing hypocrite with every criticism of Obama's continuation of much of the Bush policies, but almost none of them prefer a smart, self made person who is campaigning on substantive, experienced positions on difficult economic and foreign and domestic issues, rather than "lipstick soccer mom" and wedge social issues such as gay marriage and abortion.

There's a few Paulians that I guess can claim that, but he's as much of an establishment type ideologue as the rest.

Would love to see a real pragmatist make a run. None of this "outsider" spray paint bull****. I want someone with some experience and a good track record, but who doesn't give two ***** about partisanship and approaches every decision without already having made up his/her mind because of ideology.

Unfortunately, our system doesn't work that way. So dittoheads like GGNiner will rush to elect someone who couldn't run the local PTA let alone the world's premier super power, on the off chance that she'll make whatever specific brand of christian dogma into the letter of the law for all of us.

And dont let GGNiner fool you. The only reason he wants this dummy in office is to do just that. He jerks off to dreams of a realized W.A.S.P. nation. The comical part is how he wants world WASP domination, completely missing the irony of his islamic extremist criticisms.

(07-01-2009 12:29 PM)Artifice Wrote:  ... but this dumb broad basicly makes the case that the soccer mom two doors down from you should be veep.

You sound elitist. Why should I not vote for someone I can relate to? 98% of the blacks did...

(07-01-2009 12:29 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 11:17 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  She's a politician. Isn't this kind of a given?

They're all shameless self promoters, but her particular shtick to get elected as someone you like, or because she's "hot" (boy is that ever subjective) is exactly what is wrong with our political system right now. You guys have crucified (even going so far as tout him on a cross with your own designed images) Obama for shallowness in terms of his experience and "slick" (aka very measured and controlled) handling of the media, but this dumb broad basicly makes the case that the soccer mom two doors down from you should be veep.

I'm not that big of a fan of the establishment, and it is becoming more and more apparent that Obama is just as establishment as the rest of them, but a Palin is not the answer. That's the stupid reform option.

We have a lot of supposed "lift yourself up by the bootstraps" types here, and yet most of these are just blindly loyal republican partisans (apparently because of social issues such as OH NOES TEH GAYS), because they're busy playing hypocrite with every criticism of Obama's continuation of much of the Bush policies, but almost none of them prefer a smart, self made person who is campaigning on substantive, experienced positions on difficult economic and foreign and domestic issues, rather than "lipstick soccer mom" and wedge social issues such as gay marriage and abortion.

There's a few Paulians that I guess can claim that, but he's as much of an establishment type ideologue as the rest.

Would love to see a real pragmatist make a run. None of this "outsider" spray paint bull****. I want someone with some experience and a good track record, but who doesn't give two ***** about partisanship and approaches every decision without already having made up his/her mind because of ideology.

Unfortunately, our system doesn't work that way. So dittoheads like GGNiner will rush to elect someone who couldn't run the local PTA let alone the world's premier super power, on the off chance that she'll make whatever specific brand of christian dogma into the letter of the law for all of us.

And dont let GGNiner fool you. The only reason he wants this dummy in office is to do just that. He jerks off to dreams of a realized W.A.S.P. nation. The comical part is how he wants world WASP domination, completely missing the irony of his islamic extremist criticisms.

She's a witch!!! Burn her!!!:billgates:

(07-01-2009 12:43 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 12:29 PM)Artifice Wrote:  ... but this dumb broad basicly makes the case that the soccer mom two doors down from you should be veep.

You sound elitist. Why should I not vote for someone I can relate to? 98% of the blacks did...

88% of statistics are made up on the spot.

That said, I do not support that practice. I suppose women and minorities get one free pass each though.

(07-01-2009 12:29 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 11:17 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  She's a politician. Isn't this kind of a given?

They're all shameless self promoters, but her particular shtick to get elected as someone you like, or because she's "hot"

Eli Saslow, Wash Post Wrote:But one habit endures: Obama has gone to the gym for about 90 minutes a day, for at least 48 days in a row. He has always treated exercise less as recreation than requirement, but his devotion has intensified during the last few months. Between workout during his Hawaii vacation this week, he was photographed looking like the paradigm of a new kind of presidential fitness, one geared less toward preventing heart attacks than winning swimsuit competitions. The sun glinted off his chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weightlifting sessions each week, and a body toned by regular treadmill runs and basketball games.

Quote: handling of the media, but this dumb broad basicly makes the case that the soccer mom two doors down from you should be veep.

Careful, your chauvanism is showing.

Quote:I'm not that big of a fan of the establishment, and it is becoming more and more apparent that Obama is just as establishment as the rest of them,

If that's a surprise to you, then you really should disqualify yourself as a knowledgable commentator.

Quote:but a Palin is not the answer. That's the stupid reform option.

Because you say so?

Quote:We have a lot of supposed "lift yourself up by the bootstraps" types here, and yet most of these are just blindly loyal republican partisans

'Yet' is a word used for contrasts. What are you trying to contrast, and why?

Quote: (apparently because of social issues such as OH NOES TEH GAYS),

Seems like you bring up the subject more than anyone else.

Quote:because they're busy playing hypocrite with every criticism of Obama's continuation of much of the Bush policies,

That were critizied under Bush. But that fact doesn't fit w/ your sterotyping and ranting.

Quote:but almost none of them prefer a smart, self made person who is campaigning on substantive, experienced positions on difficult economic and foreign and domestic issues,

So you like Palin?

Quote: rather than "lipstick soccer mom" and wedge social issues such as gay marriage and abortion.

You seem to be pretty confused.

Quote:Would love to see a real pragmatist make a run.

We have a pragmatist. Might try principle for a change.

Quote:Unfortunately, our system doesn't work that way. So dittoheads like GGNiner will rush to elect someone who couldn't run the local PTA let alone the world's premier super power, on the off chance that she'll make whatever specific brand of christian dogma into the letter of the law for all of us.

That criticism might work if Palin weren't governor of the largest state in the US.

Quote:And dont let GGNiner fool you. The only reason he wants this dummy in office is to do just that. He jerks off to dreams of a realized W.A.S.P. nation. The comical part is how he wants world WASP domination, completely missing the irony of his islamic extremist criticisms.

Yeah, imagine someone missing the irony of their contradictory claims. Hard to believe, isn't it?

I'm thinking Artiface is one of those insecure men who want to keep all women barefoot and pregnant. ....with Burkha's hanging in the closet in case they get too uppity.

(07-01-2009 12:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 12:29 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 11:17 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  She's a politician. Isn't this kind of a given?

They're all shameless self promoters, but her particular shtick to get elected as someone you like, or because she's "hot" (boy is that ever subjective) is exactly what is wrong with our political system right now. You guys have crucified (even going so far as tout him on a cross with your own designed images) Obama for shallowness in terms of his experience and "slick" (aka very measured and controlled) handling of the media, but this dumb broad basicly makes the case that the soccer mom two doors down from you should be veep.

I'm not that big of a fan of the establishment, and it is becoming more and more apparent that Obama is just as establishment as the rest of them, but a Palin is not the answer. That's the stupid reform option.

We have a lot of supposed "lift yourself up by the bootstraps" types here, and yet most of these are just blindly loyal republican partisans (apparently because of social issues such as OH NOES TEH GAYS), because they're busy playing hypocrite with every criticism of Obama's continuation of much of the Bush policies, but almost none of them prefer a smart, self made person who is campaigning on substantive, experienced positions on difficult economic and foreign and domestic issues, rather than "lipstick soccer mom" and wedge social issues such as gay marriage and abortion.

There's a few Paulians that I guess can claim that, but he's as much of an establishment type ideologue as the rest.

Would love to see a real pragmatist make a run. None of this "outsider" spray paint bull****. I want someone with some experience and a good track record, but who doesn't give two ***** about partisanship and approaches every decision without already having made up his/her mind because of ideology.

Unfortunately, our system doesn't work that way. So dittoheads like GGNiner will rush to elect someone who couldn't run the local PTA let alone the world's premier super power, on the off chance that she'll make whatever specific brand of christian dogma into the letter of the law for all of us.

And dont let GGNiner fool you. The only reason he wants this dummy in office is to do just that. He jerks off to dreams of a realized W.A.S.P. nation. The comical part is how he wants world WASP domination, completely missing the irony of his islamic extremist criticisms.

She's a witch!!! Burn her!!!:billgates:

She's a pretty soccer grandma because her hard partying teenage daughter had a baby out of wedlock. I'd trust her to maybe run the PTA.

But that's also not the point of my post. My point is, we need better than pretty or sweet or likeable, or someone the common slob can identify with. I want someone who inspires confidence and respect based on experience, open mindedness, aptitude, and demonstrated decision making and diplomacy capabilities. Someone who runs without resorting to pushing the populace's buttons on wedge issues, or campaigning on oversimplified ideologies. I am willing to compromise on some of my personal stances on specific individual issues if someone like that runs.

She's running a state while you're running your mouth. I'll take her over you, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and any of those other moonbats in a heartbeat.

(07-01-2009 11:19 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 11:08 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 07:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm not sure what she has ever done as a biblical literalist that would get me upset. I'm agnostic, not that that matters much, and I don't want the mullahs running anything. Is she pro death penalty? So am I. Does she want creationism taught along side evolution? I just don't want either taught as proven fact. Is she pro life? A man and a woman?

What has she done because of her beliefs (everyone has there own) in an official capacity to turn you off of her?

Nothing...I have no problem with biblical literalists. I just would prefer not to have one a heartbeat away from being POTUS.

"Thou shall not steal"
"Thou shall not bear false witness against they neighbor"
Take care of the poor, orphans and widows.

Yeah, who'd want someone like that in charge?!

you forgot "Thou shalt not covet"

which along with stealing, is two of the basic commandments Socialism violates. Gain power via marketing Coveting(Class Warfare), then steal(re-distribution of wealth).....of course the nimrods that fall for it are just as guilty

Quote:Unfortunately, our system doesn't work that way. So dittoheads like GGNiner will rush to elect someone who couldn't run the local PTA let alone the world's premier super power, on the off chance that she'll make whatever specific brand of christian dogma into the letter of the law for all of us.

And dont let GGNiner fool you. The only reason he wants this dummy in office is to do just that. He jerks off to dreams of a realized W.A.S.P. nation. The comical part is how he wants world WASP domination, completely missing the irony of his islamic extremist criticisms.

interesting theory there, WASP nation huh? except for the fact those that actually want that are either Leftist neo-nazi's or some ron paul or Pat Buchanan supporters, you have a point.

yes, please burn me the way bloody Queen Mary was so famous for.

btw, its the far-left in this country and around the world that have alot in common with the Islamic Jihadist....since you brought it up. Both authoritarian ideologies.

(07-01-2009 08:39 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-01-2009 08:35 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The thing that turned me off to her was the fact that she was the mayor of the meth capital of Alaska while the situation was getting worse.

The guy you voted for is from Chicago. How's that town doing by the way? Oh, wait........

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.mur...92997.html

Its fun leaving things out of context, isnt it? Hypocrite.

Murder Totals for Chicago by Year:

1990: 851
1991: 927
1992: 943
1993: 931
1994: 929
1995: 827
1996: 789
1997: 759
1998: 704
1999: 641
2000: 628
2001: 666
2002: 647
2003: 598
2004: 448
2005: 449
2006: 467
2007: 442
2008: 510
2009 Murder Rate Down 11 Percent January Through May

(07-01-2009 01:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I'm thinking Artiface is one of those insecure men who want to keep all women barefoot and pregnant. ....with Burkha's hanging in the closet in case they get too uppity.

My wife wears sun dresses and has a career that I strongly support. Projecting a little, are we?