(02-26-2009 09:17 PM)Letsgotigers Wrote:  PLEASE invite us to the BE to give us a chance to find out. That is the ONLY way to answer this argument that comes up each year. Last year the same question was asked several times from BE and SEC schools and look where we finished. Ask us to join you and we shall see....Please...

Everyone on this board said last year that memphis probably would have won the BE. Memphis had beaten enough good programs for us to say this. this year however is quite different. memphis does not have the great ooc wins to back them up. This mmephis team is not nearly as good as last years Memphis team. If this team makes it to the final four, then we will all be eatin Crow. But I dont like crow, and I dont expect I'll be eatin any this year.

(02-26-2009 03:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I mean year after year we see mid-majors with 28-3 records going to the NCAA only to be beat by middle of the road teams from top conferences.

Memphis' record going into the NCAA Tournament the last three years
2006: 30-3 (made it to the Elite 8, losing to #2 seeded and Pac 10 champs UCLA in the West Regional Finals)
2007: 30-3 (made it to the Elite 8, losing to #1 seeded and Big 10 champs Ohio State in the South Regional Finals)
2008: 33-1 (made it to the National Championship Game, losing to #1 seeded and Big XII champs Kansas in the National Finals)

Memphis has proven the last three years that it is not some typical "mid-major" with an inflated record. I suppose they will have to do so once again this year and the year after that and after that and so on. As long as Memphis is a member of C-USA, they will get shat all over, no matter who they beat or how many games they win in the Dance.

(02-26-2009 12:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The truth will come out in the tourney.

exactly...i would think the last 3 season would shut up the uninformed...seems likr the haters just keep on a hatin'

(02-26-2009 03:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I don't know what those RPI numbers mean, but they don't show the true strength of a conference. BE bottom feeders must really dragging the conference RPI down.

That being said, I think Memphis is an improving team and would finish somewhere between 10-8 to 13-5. I think 12-6 is about right. They would be battling teams like Nova, Cuse and WVU for mid-tier positions.

Easy schedule in CUSA certainly benefited them. I mean year after year we see mid-majors with 28-3 records going to the NCAA only to be beat by middle of the road teams from top conferences. Memphis is better than middle of the road and Cal is doing a great job recruiting at Memphis, but his team record would be A LOT worse if they played in the BE this year.

i LOVE it...those who didn't invite Memphis (the Big East)...want to blame Memphis for not being invited to a BCS conference...ahhhh, hypocrisy

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

I'll just say this Memphis would at least dominate the $EC this year.

(02-27-2009 05:28 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-26-2009 03:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I don't know what those RPI numbers mean, but they don't show the true strength of a conference. BE bottom feeders must really dragging the conference RPI down.

That being said, I think Memphis is an improving team and would finish somewhere between 10-8 to 13-5. I think 12-6 is about right. They would be battling teams like Nova, Cuse and WVU for mid-tier positions.

Easy schedule in CUSA certainly benefited them. I mean year after year we see mid-majors with 28-3 records going to the NCAA only to be beat by middle of the road teams from top conferences. Memphis is better than middle of the road and Cal is doing a great job recruiting at Memphis, but his team record would be A LOT worse if they played in the BE this year.

i LOVE it...those who didn't invite Memphis (the Big East)...want to blame Memphis for not being invited to a BCS conference...ahhhh, hypocrisy

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

We are just fans on this board. We have no control as to who gets invited into the BE, and who doesn't. I have not heard any officials from the BE, (those who make the decisions), blame or criticize Memphis for dominationg Cusa.

top 40% in BB.... bottom 15% in football.

(02-27-2009 07:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  I'll just say this Memphis would at least dominate the $EC this year.

Gee, thanks. That is like saying Memphis would dominate C-USA this year.

(02-27-2009 08:41 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2009 07:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  I'll just say this Memphis would at least dominate the $EC this year.

Gee, thanks. That is like saying Memphis would dominate C-USA this year.

True

To those thinking I'm a hater...I'm not. I'd love Memphis in the Big East. What I'm critiquing is this year's performance. I don't think they are worthy of a one seed. A 2 or 3 seed--I have no quarrel. Bambu: Why are you bringing Syracuse in this? Have I said they deserve a 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 seed this year? I figure Syracuse is about a 6 seed...if we finish strong we might move up 1 or 2 seeds...if we finish weak we'll be a dreaded 8 or 9 seed.

The Big East is meat grinder...we go 10-12 deep with teams who on a given night can beat a Top 10 team...that is a fact. If Memphis played in the Big East you would have losses...UAB which played you close for 38 mins would finish around 11th in this league.

My wish: Drop Seton Hall add Memphis

(02-26-2009 10:23 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-26-2009 09:17 PM)Letsgotigers Wrote:  PLEASE invite us to the BE to give us a chance to find out. That is the ONLY way to answer this argument that comes up each year. Last year the same question was asked several times from BE and SEC schools and look where we finished. Ask us to join you and we shall see....Please...

Everyone on this board said last year that memphis probably would have won the BE. Memphis had beaten enough good programs for us to say this. this year however is quite different. memphis does not have the great ooc wins to back them up. This mmephis team is not nearly as good as last years Memphis team. If this team makes it to the final four, then we will all be eatin Crow. But I dont like crow, and I dont expect I'll be eatin any this year.

I think most Memphis fans would agree...even Cal (off-the record)...as last year's Memphis team was something SPECIAL.

While this year's Memphis team is very good...last year's team (if through cloning, etc...) could have played this year's team...I think last year's version would beat this year's version 7 out of 10 times.

However, just like with Memphis this year...there are a lot of GOOD teams out there...but not necessarily any GREAT TEAMS.

Unlike last year when all four #1 seeds make it to the Final Four...this year...the NCAA might be lucky if TWO of the #1 seeds make it to the Final Four...as this year's tournament is much more OPEN...as even the Top 4 seeds aren't even close to being finalized yet.

(02-27-2009 02:58 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2009 03:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I mean year after year we see mid-majors with 28-3 records going to the NCAA only to be beat by middle of the road teams from top conferences.

Memphis' record going into the NCAA Tournament the last three years
2006: 30-3 (made it to the Elite 8, losing to #2 seeded and Pac 10 champs UCLA in the West Regional Finals)
2007: 30-3 (made it to the Elite 8, losing to #1 seeded and Big 10 champs Ohio State in the South Regional Finals)
2008: 33-1 (made it to the National Championship Game, losing to #1 seeded and Big XII champs Kansas in the National Finals)

Memphis has proven the last three years that it is not some typical "mid-major" with an inflated record. I suppose they will have to do so once again this year and the year after that and after that and so on. As long as Memphis is a member of C-USA, they will get shat all over, no matter who they beat or how many games they win in the Dance.

No way would SF Husky been talking about MEMPHIS in that statement...as if he was....that's sad he knows so little.

(02-27-2009 09:09 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-26-2009 10:23 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-26-2009 09:17 PM)Letsgotigers Wrote:  PLEASE invite us to the BE to give us a chance to find out. That is the ONLY way to answer this argument that comes up each year. Last year the same question was asked several times from BE and SEC schools and look where we finished. Ask us to join you and we shall see....Please...

Everyone on this board said last year that memphis probably would have won the BE. Memphis had beaten enough good programs for us to say this. this year however is quite different. memphis does not have the great ooc wins to back them up. This mmephis team is not nearly as good as last years Memphis team. If this team makes it to the final four, then we will all be eatin Crow. But I dont like crow, and I dont expect I'll be eatin any this year.

I think most Memphis fans would agree...even Cal (off-the record)...as last year's Memphis team was something SPECIAL.

While this year's Memphis team is very good...last year's team (if through cloning, etc...) could have played this year's team...I think last year's version would beat this year's version 7 out of 10 times.

However, just like with Memphis this year...there are a lot of GOOD teams out there...but not necessarily any GREAT TEAMS.

Unlike last year when all four #1 seeds make it to the Final Four...this year...the NCAA might be lucky if TWO of the #1 seeds make it to the Final Four...as this year's tournament is much more OPEN...as even the Top 4 seeds aren't even close to being finalized yet.

Definitely...one thing you can be sure of...Four #1 seeds aren't advancing to Detroit

(02-27-2009 09:05 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-27-2009 08:41 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2009 07:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  I'll just say this Memphis would at least dominate the $EC this year.

Gee, thanks. That is like saying Memphis would dominate C-USA this year.

True

To those thinking I'm a hater...I'm not. I'd love Memphis in the Big East. What I'm critiquing is this year's performance. I don't think they are worthy of a one seed. A 2 or 3 seed--I have no quarrel. Bambu: Why are you bringing Syracuse in this? Have I said they deserve a 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 seed this year? I figure Syracuse is about a 6 seed...if we finish strong we might move up 1 or 2 seeds...if we finish weak we'll be a dreaded 8 or 9 seed.

The Big East is meat grinder...we go 10-12 deep with teams who on a given night can beat a Top 10 team...that is a fact. If Memphis played in the Big East you would have losses...UAB which played you close for 38 mins would finish around 11th in this league.

My wish: Drop Seton Hall add Memphis

I don't think Memphis should be a #1 right now either. Memphis' RPI is a tad low (#7) and they are lacking in quality wins (5-3 vs. the top 50 of the RPI, just 0-2 vs. the top 25 of the RPI). The loss to Georgetown is looking worse and worse, although, UConn owns a loss to the Hoyas as well and that took place at home. On the other hand, Memphis has won 19 in a row, they are 9-1 on the road and they have three very nice road wins (@ Tennessee, @ Gonzaga, @ UAB). I think Memphis is a high #2 right now, but they could slip onto the 1-line if Oklahoma keeps losing.

(02-26-2009 01:50 PM)mlb Wrote:  So, that being said, I don't see Calipari's recruiting getting significantly better by joining the Big East.

It can't get much better. Over the past four or five seaons he's probably recruited as good as anyone in the country. Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans and Xavier Henry were all ranked #1 in their classes by at least one service.

That was my point, 3601.

Even Huggins said back in 2003 when UC was selected to join the Big East, it wouldn't affect his basketball program because they are already a national power. It would not help Memphis in the least in terms of recruiting, IMHO.

I'm sure Tommy West would love to have the Big East name on his football jerseys, however.

Nobody really wants to hear this, but the Memphis team that lost to SU and GU is a different team than is playing now.

Tyreke Evans had a terrible game last night, but since he moved to PG this team has been VERY different. I'm not saying that they would beat GU or SU now, but they might. Memphis would be favored over both Maybe we'll get a change to play a Big East team in the tourney.

I think Memphis is just as good as Louisville, Marquette, and maybe UConn and Pitt.

Remember, Memphis lost AT Georgetwon in OT. UConn lost to Georgetown at home and was down by as much as 15 in the 2nd half. Memphis DESTROYED Gonzaga AT Gonzaga. UConn had to hit a prayer to take Gonzaga to OT.

(02-27-2009 11:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  That was my point, 3601.

Even Huggins said back in 2003 when UC was selected to join the Big East, it wouldn't affect his basketball program because they are already a national power. It would not help Memphis in the least in terms of recruiting, IMHO.

I'm sure Tommy West would love to have the Big East name on his football jerseys, however.

I'm sorry. I misread your post. I thought that you wrote that it would get significantly better. My apologies.

I agree, too, that it would vastly help FB recruiting.

Well, you lost to 2 teams that haven't been anywhere near the level of the 4 teams you mentioned above. Georgetown lost to UC twice, while Memphis beat UC. Syracuse and UC play on Sunday for their only matchup this season.

I think Memphis is good, but I think they'd be fighting for 6th place this season in the Big East. I think the top 5 would win against Memphis on a neutral court.

(02-27-2009 11:45 AM)mlb Wrote:  Well, you lost to 2 teams that haven't been anywhere near the level of the 4 teams you mentioned above. Georgetown lost to UC twice, while Memphis beat UC. Syracuse and UC play on Sunday for their only matchup this season.

I think Memphis is good, but I think they'd be fighting for 6th place this season in the Big East. I think the top 5 would win against Memphis on a neutral court.

I heard similar comments last season. I think it's laughable to say that Memphis would finish 6th in the Big East this season. That's just my opinion. By your logic, you might as well say that Syracuse would finish behind Cleveland State for 4th place in the Horizon League.

I said last year that Memphis was legit... I just don't think Memphis is at that level this year. Maybe next year they will be, but not this year. They may be a sweet 16 team this year, but I also think that the top 5 in the Big East are sweet 16 this year. In fact, I could see the top 5 all in the elite 8, but I expect an upset or two.