(01-28-2009 10:29 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 10:19 AM)mlb Wrote:  So, why don't you show up on the UC board talking UC basketball ever if you are such a UC fan?

Last chance, firmbizzle. If you can't show that you bring value to this board then I will send you back to the C-USA board.

I'm on bearcatnews. I didn't see much basketball on that board. It's like a UC spin room.

Sure... This board has long been the number 1 UC board in traffic for all sports. I loved how your first post to the UC board happened today, however.

On a side note, the spin room portion is kept to the off-topic/smack boards. It is not put on the main board.

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What would the advantage be for Memphis? They make tons of money, get huge recruits and crowds and are guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's every year. Plus they get to host the C-USA tournament most years.

Every single university president and athletic director alive will choose being a member of a power conference (even if it risks mediocrity or fewer wins) than dominating a non-power conference every single time without question. The reason is that they have to be concerned about the worst-case scenario even more than the best-case scenario. Even the bluest of the blue blood programs will go through tough times, such as Kentucky over the past couple of years and Indiana currently. However, as members of the SEC and Big Ten, those schools are buffered financially and in terms of television appearances. If and when Memphis hits a dry spell or loses John Calipari, C-USA doesn't provide any type of buffer in the manner that the Big East would. Memphis is riding high now, but no one can ever assume that success will continue forever, which is why it would be seeking the stability of a power conference.

(01-28-2009 10:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 10:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  So no problem bizz you guys get the money for your bowl game and we are VERY happy playing at RJS and actually going to bowl games to play in them.
PS good luck selling that CUSA-SunBelt match up

Midnight is getting closer Cinderella.

If I remember correctly Cinderella married the prince and lived happily ever after.

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What is the advantage of adding another big time basketball program?

It is not like the Big East needs basketball help. In fact it has already been mentioned there is a limit to how many teams will be picked from one conference. Why add another team that may take a spot away from a current member. Plus you have to look at the conference season and see additional potential loses if you add a Memphis.

What would the advantage be for Memphis? They make tons of money, get huge recruits and crowds and are guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's every year. Plus they get to host the C-USA tournament most years.

I do not think the Big East will make any future possible changes based on basketball. It may be a consideration but basketball is kicking butt as it stands now.

I went to the Syracuse-Memphis game in December. Memphis has a BCS level facility, BCS level fan base and BCS Level players. Several fans came up to me and told me they really enjoyed playing a Big East team and wished they were out of CUSA. Most Memphis fans obviously would like to be in the SEC but the most sane ones realize it is a pipe dream. They know the Big East (warts and all) is their logical place to be. CUSA just isn't a good BB conference.

I would add Memphis and someone like St. Louis or Charlotte to go to 18 teams. UCF and ECU should be considered, also. 18 teams is huge but it can be handled.

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What is the advantage of adding another big time basketball program?

It is not like the Big East needs basketball help. In fact it has already been mentioned there is a limit to how many teams will be picked from one conference. Why add another team that may take a spot away from a current member. Plus you have to look at the conference season and see additional potential loses if you add a Memphis.

What would the advantage be for Memphis?

Do you really need anyone to answer this question for you?

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What would the advantage be for Memphis? They make tons of money, get huge recruits and crowds and are guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's every year. Plus they get to host the C-USA tournament most years.

No advantage in basketball, except better competition and fan interest. As for football, look what BE membership did for Louisville, Cincinnatti and USF (and at what those schools brought to the BE).

(01-28-2009 11:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What would the advantage be for Memphis? They make tons of money, get huge recruits and crowds and are guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's every year. Plus they get to host the C-USA tournament most years.

Every single university president and athletic director alive will choose being a member of a power conference (even if it risks mediocrity or fewer wins) than dominating a non-power conference every single time without question. The reason is that they have to be concerned about the worst-case scenario even more than the best-case scenario. Even the bluest of the blue blood programs will go through tough times, such as Kentucky over the past couple of years and Indiana currently. However, as members of the SEC and Big Ten, those schools are buffered financially and in terms of television appearances. If and when Memphis hits a dry spell or loses John Calipari, C-USA doesn't provide any type of buffer in the manner that the Big East would. Memphis is riding high now, but no one can ever assume that success will continue forever, which is why it would be seeking the stability of a power conference.

I agree, very eloquently stated, although I do believe that there are 9 presidents and AD's in the Ivy league, who would object to their school being in one of the power conferences.

(01-28-2009 12:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 10:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 10:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  So no problem bizz you guys get the money for your bowl game and we are VERY happy playing at RJS and actually going to bowl games to play in them.
PS good luck selling that CUSA-SunBelt match up

Midnight is getting closer Cinderella.

If I remember correctly Cinderella married the prince and lived happily ever after.

I think that's sleeping beauty or beauty and the beast. I think Cinderella had a pumpkin or something. I get my disney characters mixed up.

Temple coming back for football would make sense in 2011.

There is no rush...just wait/hope for a Boise State of the East to emerge.

(01-28-2009 02:30 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 12:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 10:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 10:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  So no problem bizz you guys get the money for your bowl game and we are VERY happy playing at RJS and actually going to bowl games to play in them.
PS good luck selling that CUSA-SunBelt match up

Midnight is getting closer Cinderella.

If I remember correctly Cinderella married the prince and lived happily ever after.

I think that's sleeping beauty or beauty and the beast. I think Cinderella had a pumpkin or something. I get my disney characters mixed up.

well maybe you shoukld research before posting. i can see how you would confuse the disney characters living in orlando.

(01-28-2009 12:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What is the advantage of adding another big time basketball program?

It is not like the Big East needs basketball help. In fact it has already been mentioned there is a limit to how many teams will be picked from one conference. Why add another team that may take a spot away from a current member. Plus you have to look at the conference season and see additional potential loses if you add a Memphis.

What would the advantage be for Memphis? They make tons of money, get huge recruits and crowds and are guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's every year. Plus they get to host the C-USA tournament most years.

I do not think the Big East will make any future possible changes based on basketball. It may be a consideration but basketball is kicking butt as it stands now.

I went to the Syracuse-Memphis game in December. Memphis has a BCS level facility, BCS level fan base and BCS Level players. Several fans came up to me and told me they really enjoyed playing a Big East team and wished they were out of CUSA. Most Memphis fans obviously would like to be in the SEC but the most sane ones realize it is a pipe dream. They know the Big East (warts and all) is their logical place to be. CUSA just isn't a good BB conference.

I would add Memphis and someone like St. Louis or Charlotte to go to 18 teams. UCF and ECU should be considered, also. 18 teams is huge but it can be handled.

- I'm assuming you mean BCS fan base and BCS facility in terms of basketball. I've heard a lot of negatives concerning the condiditon of the Liberty Bowl, and if I remember correctly UM football attendance has been dropping

IMO, the major hole in the Memphis argument is the BE and or the proposed all sports league doesn't need bball strenght, it needs football help. And frankly, Memphis's football history does not enspire a lot of confidence. Its hard not to look at UCF with its brand new football field, brand new bball areana, huge enrollment and rivalry with USF and not think that is the way to go. Through in Temple too and you have a Pac 10 type set up with old rivalries and everyone gets a trip to Fla every year.

But with all that being said, I think the 16 team league is here to stay...its been far more successful then most would have thought

Jackson

(01-28-2009 03:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 02:30 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 12:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 10:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 10:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  So no problem bizz you guys get the money for your bowl game and we are VERY happy playing at RJS and actually going to bowl games to play in them.
PS good luck selling that CUSA-SunBelt match up

Midnight is getting closer Cinderella.

If I remember correctly Cinderella married the prince and lived happily ever after.

I think that's sleeping beauty or beauty and the beast. I think Cinderella had a pumpkin or something. I get my disney characters mixed up.

well maybe you shoukld research before posting. i can see how you would confuse the disney characters living in orlando.

Yeah it was Cinderella. BE=glass slipper. It's 10:30pm

(01-28-2009 04:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yeah it was Cinderella. BE=glass slipper. It's 10:30pm

So... are you going to actually pretend to add anything to the conversation around here before you are banned?

(01-28-2009 03:27 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 12:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What is the advantage of adding another big time basketball program?

It is not like the Big East needs basketball help. In fact it has already been mentioned there is a limit to how many teams will be picked from one conference. Why add another team that may take a spot away from a current member. Plus you have to look at the conference season and see additional potential loses if you add a Memphis.

What would the advantage be for Memphis? They make tons of money, get huge recruits and crowds and are guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's every year. Plus they get to host the C-USA tournament most years.

I do not think the Big East will make any future possible changes based on basketball. It may be a consideration but basketball is kicking butt as it stands now.

I went to the Syracuse-Memphis game in December. Memphis has a BCS level facility, BCS level fan base and BCS Level players. Several fans came up to me and told me they really enjoyed playing a Big East team and wished they were out of CUSA. Most Memphis fans obviously would like to be in the SEC but the most sane ones realize it is a pipe dream. They know the Big East (warts and all) is their logical place to be. CUSA just isn't a good BB conference.

I would add Memphis and someone like St. Louis or Charlotte to go to 18 teams. UCF and ECU should be considered, also. 18 teams is huge but it can be handled.

- I'm assuming you mean BCS fan base and BCS facility in terms of basketball. I've heard a lot of negatives concerning the condiditon of the Liberty Bowl, and if I remember correctly UM football attendance has been dropping

IMO, the major hole in the Memphis argument is the BE and or the proposed all sports league doesn't need bball strenght, it needs football help. And frankly, Memphis's football history does not enspire a lot of confidence. Its hard not to look at UCF with its brand new football field, brand new bball areana, huge enrollment and rivalry with USF and not think that is the way to go. Through in Temple too and you have a Pac 10 type set up with old rivalries and everyone gets a trip to Fla every year.

But with all that being said, I think the 16 team league is here to stay...its been far more successful then most would have thought

Jackson

Yes--BTW, if I were king...I'd tell Memphis your offer to join is conditional and revokeable if within 5 years you don't do this: either the Liberty Bowl is renovated or you have a new on campus stadium of at least 40,000.

I know Memphis politics is goofy and the Big East would need to protect themselves with a conditional offer.

Memphis in the Big East and a strong University commitment should get their FB team up to at least middle of the road in the Big East within 5 years. There is so much talent within 5 hours of Memphis that only Greg Robinson could screw it up.

(01-28-2009 05:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Yes--BTW, if I were king...I'd tell Memphis your offer to join is conditional and revokeable if within 5 years you don't do this: either the Liberty Bowl is renovated or you have a new on campus stadium of at least 40,000.

That wouldn't be a problem at all:

(1) Liberty Bowl renovations are ALREADY underway (as of the first of this month)

(2) Last Summer's on-campus stadium feasibility study concluded that an on-campus stadium SHOULD be built and UofM's president ruled that only a $20 million funding gap stood in the way. With the additional revenue and hype associated with BCS membership in hand, a new stadium would probably be built unless the national economy completely tanks.

Regarding Jackson's insult to Tiger football, I think we have done reasonably well during our 97 year history considering the fact that we have always had one hand tied behind the back. 5 bowl games in the last 6 years despite the "non-BCS" label and a pole of scalps including the likes of Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech and Southern Cal isn't exactly chopped liver. Give us a level recruiting field and remove the second-rate image and see what happens.

How is this not in expansion/split??? Everything I freakin' post gets bumped there, while this is obviously under that category.

(01-28-2009 05:04 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 04:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yeah it was Cinderella. BE=glass slipper. It's 10:30pm

So... are you going to actually pretend to add anything to the conversation around here before you are banned?

Cmon MLB it's good ol fashion fun. Not like we're seriously trashing each other.

(01-28-2009 05:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 03:27 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 12:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-28-2009 11:03 AM)Topcard91 Wrote:  What is the advantage of adding another big time basketball program?

It is not like the Big East needs basketball help. In fact it has already been mentioned there is a limit to how many teams will be picked from one conference. Why add another team that may take a spot away from a current member. Plus you have to look at the conference season and see additional potential loses if you add a Memphis.

What would the advantage be for Memphis? They make tons of money, get huge recruits and crowds and are guaranteed a spot in the NCAA's every year. Plus they get to host the C-USA tournament most years.

I do not think the Big East will make any future possible changes based on basketball. It may be a consideration but basketball is kicking butt as it stands now.

I went to the Syracuse-Memphis game in December. Memphis has a BCS level facility, BCS level fan base and BCS Level players. Several fans came up to me and told me they really enjoyed playing a Big East team and wished they were out of CUSA. Most Memphis fans obviously would like to be in the SEC but the most sane ones realize it is a pipe dream. They know the Big East (warts and all) is their logical place to be. CUSA just isn't a good BB conference.

I would add Memphis and someone like St. Louis or Charlotte to go to 18 teams. UCF and ECU should be considered, also. 18 teams is huge but it can be handled.

- I'm assuming you mean BCS fan base and BCS facility in terms of basketball. I've heard a lot of negatives concerning the condiditon of the Liberty Bowl, and if I remember correctly UM football attendance has been dropping

IMO, the major hole in the Memphis argument is the BE and or the proposed all sports league doesn't need bball strenght, it needs football help. And frankly, Memphis's football history does not enspire a lot of confidence. Its hard not to look at UCF with its brand new football field, brand new bball areana, huge enrollment and rivalry with USF and not think that is the way to go. Through in Temple too and you have a Pac 10 type set up with old rivalries and everyone gets a trip to Fla every year.

But with all that being said, I think the 16 team league is here to stay...its been far more successful then most would have thought

Jackson

Yes--BTW, if I were king...I'd tell Memphis your offer to join is conditional and revokeable if within 5 years you don't do this: either the Liberty Bowl is renovated or you have a new on campus stadium of at least 40,000.

I know Memphis politics is goofy and the Big East would need to protect themselves with a conditional offer.

Memphis in the Big East and a strong University commitment should get their FB team up to at least middle of the road in the Big East within 5 years. There is so much talent within 5 hours of Memphis that only Greg Robinson could screw it up.

I think it's hard to kick a team out once you let them in. Memphis would do pretty well. They have a fan base that likes football, and has history with the school. Don't think the on campus stadium will happen soon because the economy completely tanked.

I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I think the BE should split for the basketball. I never thought I would miss the round robin, but the rematches in college basketball in february tend to be classics. Then when they get to face off for the 3rd time in the tournament, it's like magic! Part of the reason the attendence is so low at some schools is the lack of familiarity with the schools they are playing. If you're a student that just saw his team lose on the road at the last second, you might be inclined to get there for the rematch at home. I would like to see a 10-11 team BE where they play a home and home with everyone.

(01-28-2009 07:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Cmon MLB it's good ol fashion fun. Not like we're seriously trashing each other.

Except I've had requests from the same people you are arguing with requesting you be removed.

Talk sports, fine. Start flaming and you hit the road.