And maybe the folks here can break it down for me.

I don't get the excitement from the Dems, and I don't get the doom and gloom from the GOP.

Trump and SCOTUS are still solidly conservative, so no major changes coming out of Congress will ever see the light of day. There will be absolutely 0 legislation passed that isn't unanimously bipartisan over the next two years. People are acting like this election is a groundbreaking moment in time, but there will be zero changes from it.

(Yesterday 10:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  And maybe the folks here can break it down for me.

I don't get the excitement from the Dems, and I don't get the doom and gloom from the GOP.

Trump and SCOTUS are still solidly conservative, so no major changes coming out of Congress will ever see the light of day. There will be absolutely 0 legislation passed that isn't unanimously bipartisan over the next two years. People are acting like this election is a groundbreaking moment in time, but there will be zero changes from it.

OK, as you asked, I’ll break it down for you.

This is a groundbreaking moment in time and there will be changes from it.

That understood, the rest follows.

(Yesterday 10:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  And maybe the folks here can break it down for me.

I don't get the excitement from the Dems, and I don't get the doom and gloom from the GOP.

Trump and SCOTUS are still solidly conservative, so no major changes coming out of Congress will ever see the light of day. There will be absolutely 0 legislation passed that isn't unanimously bipartisan over the next two years. People are acting like this election is a groundbreaking moment in time, but there will be zero changes from it.

The weak and the retarded.

Always an over reaction by both

Simple

(Yesterday 10:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  And maybe the folks here can break it down for me.

I don't get the excitement from the Dems, and I don't get the doom and gloom from the GOP.

Trump and SCOTUS are still solidly conservative, so no major changes coming out of Congress will ever see the light of day. There will be absolutely 0 legislation passed that isn't unanimously bipartisan over the next two years. People are acting like this election is a groundbreaking moment in time, but there will be zero changes from it.

Well other than just cheering when your side winning I think it's how they won and in what areas they won. If Texas truly does go blue republicans can never win another national election again as California, Texas, New York, Illinois are all you ever need. And I'm not sure I see 3 of those 4 ever voting red again.

The second thing is winning the Senate. This keeps the Senate dem almost guaranteed for the next 4 years. So it goes beyond the next two. And even if there is a huge red wave 2 years from now these new red state senators won't be up for reelection for 6 years. So it's pretty much a guaranteed dem senate for 4 years. And very likely will be for 6.

So no real changes for the next two years yes, and it wasn't like republicans were pushing much of their agenda through congress anyway. The way they treated the SAVE act was a joke and likely contributed to some on the right not turning out. But, this does set the dems up for bigger changes two years from now.

It’s the economy. Dems wrecked it, reps didn’t fix it fast enough, dems will wreck it even more. Wash rinse repeat

(Yesterday 10:29 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  And maybe the folks here can break it down for me.

I don't get the excitement from the Dems, and I don't get the doom and gloom from the GOP.

Trump and SCOTUS are still solidly conservative, so no major changes coming out of Congress will ever see the light of day. There will be absolutely 0 legislation passed that isn't unanimously bipartisan over the next two years. People are acting like this election is a groundbreaking moment in time, but there will be zero changes from it.

OK, as you asked, I’ll break it down for you.

This is a groundbreaking moment in time and there will be changes from it.

That understood, the rest follows.

But that is the same gut reaction I'm talking about: how do you expect change to go into production given our government's architecture? I don't deny the impressiveness of the ass beating given to the GOP, but I don't understand the people expecting all of the "wrongs" of the past two years to be righted in the next two.

The best post I saw was someone saying Al-Sayed will require schools to teach Arabic numbers. That really brought out the high IQ twitter folks.

(Yesterday 10:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  And maybe the folks here can break it down for me.

I don't get the excitement from the Dems, and I don't get the doom and gloom from the GOP.

Trump and SCOTUS are still solidly conservative, so no major changes coming out of Congress will ever see the light of day. There will be absolutely 0 legislation passed that isn't unanimously bipartisan over the next two years. People are acting like this election is a groundbreaking moment in time, but there will be zero changes from it.

The senate pickups will move beyond 2028 and the statewide sweeps, like in Texas, will have lasting impact. Additionally, putting so many sites in play or flipping THIS time forces republicans to fund the same normal strongholds next time, weakening their spend in true to form battlegrounds.

So no, not much will get done in the interim (beyond blocking conservative appointments or nominations) but to dems it stops the bleeding and gives some protections for 2 years from now. Post 2028 if dems win POTUS is where real change could happen.

Thats why dems are happy.

It’s basically up to independents now. The number of people with disdain for party politics (specifically the two party system) continues to grow. I could see voters with no party affiliation becoming the majority by 2050.

They turned a lot of state houses blue. They can get more done on the local level now.

Its like some of y'all didn't live through the retard Obama era. This is a midterm. Enjoy it.

Two more years of Trump and by then people will be all kinds of pissed at the filth again

This has happened before.

Trump was elected 3 times ffs

(Yesterday 11:40 PM)unalions Wrote:  It’s basically up to independents now. The number of people with disdain for party politics (specifically the two party system) continues to grow. I could see voters with no party affiliation becoming the majority by 2050.

I would like that, but I find generally a lot of independents only vote for one party. They just think their party isn't going far enough or doing enough of the things they like so they declare themselves as independent rather than picking a party.

The true people who can be persuaded each election feel pretty small.

(Yesterday 11:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  But that is the same gut reaction I'm talking about: how do you expect change to go into production given our government's architecture? I don't deny the impressiveness of the ass beating given to the GOP, but I don't understand the people expecting all of the "wrongs" of the past two years to be righted in the next two.

The best post I saw was someone saying Al-Sayed will require schools to teach Arabic numbers. That really brought out the high IQ twitter folks.

Two years enables a start. That is all. There is always a giddy buzz after a big election, and I intend to enjoy mine. But Camelot wasn’t built in a day.

Recovering from the damage of the Trump era will take decades. And that is before taking into account that, for now, the wrecking ball is still swinging.

Still, Congress can do plenty. Congress can thwart plenty.

Every GOP lawmaker has needed to worry about Trump calling up his crazies via tweet rages. They know he will say anything, that the truth does not matter to him or to them. They have needed to worry about him finding someone else in their own party to endorse in primaries. They’ve been bullied.

Now, it’s different.

Congress is in the control of Democrats. Their Republican colleagues are looking past Trump. The board is reset.

Historically, when the executive branch and legislative branch go to different parties, a pattern typically emerges. The president becomes very interested in foreign policy. This is because the executive branch has more room to work in the international sphere. It can take the lead on trade deals and treaties and military deployment.

Domestic policy rests largely on what Congress will approve and fund. Committee heads there will tend to take the lead on how much money FEMA will get, or DHS or NASA or our national parks, and what incentives might be available for research on, say, renewables or flooding. It also exercises control in the matter of Cabinet and court appointments.

It’s a broad generalization, but it tends to hold. In a split government, the president flies around the world shaking hands while Congress holds committee meetings about money to do this, laws to prevent that.

The pattern, even with volatile Trump, is beginning again. People worry over how Trump might endanger US lives with his Iran war. They are not so worried about ICE now, because Congress holds more power to curb ICE.

(Today 12:52 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(Yesterday 11:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  But that is the same gut reaction I'm talking about: how do you expect change to go into production given our government's architecture? I don't deny the impressiveness of the ass beating given to the GOP, but I don't understand the people expecting all of the "wrongs" of the past two years to be righted in the next two.

The best post I saw was someone saying Al-Sayed will require schools to teach Arabic numbers. That really brought out the high IQ twitter folks.

Two years enables a start. That is all. There is always a giddy buzz after a big election, and I intend to enjoy mine. But Camelot wasn’t built in a day.

Recovering from the damage of the Trump era will take decades. And that is before taking into account that, for now, the wrecking ball is still swinging.

Still, Congress can do plenty. Congress can thwart plenty.

Every GOP lawmaker has needed to worry about Trump calling up his crazies via tweet rages. They know he will say anything, that the truth does not matter to him or to them. They have needed to worry about him finding someone else in their own party to endorse in primaries. They’ve been bullied.

Now, it’s different.

Congress is in the control of Democrats. Their Republican colleagues are looking past Trump. The board is reset.

Historically, when the executive branch and legislative branch go to different parties, a pattern typically emerges. The president becomes very interested in foreign policy. This is because the executive branch has more room to work in the international sphere. It can take the lead on trade deals and treaties and military deployment.

Domestic policy rests largely on what Congress will approve and fund. Committee heads there will tend to take the lead on how much money FEMA will get, or DHS or NASA or our national parks, and what incentives might be available for research on, say, renewables or flooding. It also exercises control in the matter of Cabinet and court appointments.

It’s a broad generalization, but it tends to hold. In a split government, the president flies around the world shaking hands while Congress holds committee meetings about money to do this, laws to prevent that.

The pattern, even with volatile Trump, is beginning again. People worry over how Trump might endanger US lives with his Iran war. They are not so worried about ICE now, because Congress holds more power to curb ICE.

The Bolded and Enlarged is a true statement even if it comes from cut and paste!

But the full truth, which is somehow always avoided or twisted in these kinds of posts, is that The Round Table and What It Stood For, was destroyed in one and from within by a liar who twisted truth into things that were ugly and destructive, Mordred.

(Today 01:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(Today 12:52 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(Yesterday 11:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  But that is the same gut reaction I'm talking about: how do you expect change to go into production given our government's architecture? I don't deny the impressiveness of the ass beating given to the GOP, but I don't understand the people expecting all of the "wrongs" of the past two years to be righted in the next two.

The best post I saw was someone saying Al-Sayed will require schools to teach Arabic numbers. That really brought out the high IQ twitter folks.

Two years enables a start. That is all. There is always a giddy buzz after a big election, and I intend to enjoy mine. But Camelot wasn’t built in a day.

Recovering from the damage of the Trump era will take decades. And that is before taking into account that, for now, the wrecking ball is still swinging.

Still, Congress can do plenty. Congress can thwart plenty.

Every GOP lawmaker has needed to worry about Trump calling up his crazies via tweet rages. They know he will say anything, that the truth does not matter to him or to them. They have needed to worry about him finding someone else in their own party to endorse in primaries. They’ve been bullied.

Now, it’s different.

Congress is in the control of Democrats. Their Republican colleagues are looking past Trump. The board is reset.

Historically, when the executive branch and legislative branch go to different parties, a pattern typically emerges. The president becomes very interested in foreign policy. This is because the executive branch has more room to work in the international sphere. It can take the lead on trade deals and treaties and military deployment.

Domestic policy rests largely on what Congress will approve and fund. Committee heads there will tend to take the lead on how much money FEMA will get, or DHS or NASA or our national parks, and what incentives might be available for research on, say, renewables or flooding. It also exercises control in the matter of Cabinet and court appointments.

It’s a broad generalization, but it tends to hold. In a split government, the president flies around the world shaking hands while Congress holds committee meetings about money to do this, laws to prevent that.

The pattern, even with volatile Trump, is beginning again. People worry over how Trump might endanger US lives with his Iran war. They are not so worried about ICE now, because Congress holds more power to curb ICE.

The Bolded and Enlarged is a true statement even if it comes from cut and paste!

But the full truth, which is somehow always avoided or twisted in these kinds of posts, is that The Round Table and What It Stood For, was destroyed in one and from within by a liar who twisted truth into things that were ugly and destructive, Mordred.

I was answering a question. If I quote, I indicate.

The metaphor comes from Peggy Noonan, speechwriter for Ronald Reagan. She remarked in a book on the way big elections fill government rooms with excited young campaign workers “eagerly planning Camelot.”

I find the picture charming, memorable, and 100% true. Healthy elections do this. They renew and refresh, and look ahead.



The term entered American politics when a grieving Jackie Kennedy used it to describe the “one brief shining moment” her husband had held office. She was quoting the lines of a stage musical that was then popular, based on Arthurian stories.

Peggy Noonan, an Irish American Catholic, first got interested in politics because of her admiration of John F. Kennedy. She later worked for and admired first Dan Rather, and then Ronald Reagan. George Bush (41) asked her for help with his convention and inauguration speeches. She liked him, and phoned his campaign staff when, in 1991 with his polls still sky-high, she had a premonition that he would lose his bid for re-election. She described seeing the rooms of her old Washington office fill a few months later with eager young Clinton staffers, chattering as they rushed in, reminding her of herself and her colleagues a few years before.

Eagerly planning Camelot.

She said you meet two kinds of people in politics. There’s a dichotomy.

You meet those who get their energy from love, and those who get their energy from hate.

Those who get their energy from love transform that love into something helpful and often beautiful. They transform it into electricity for rural areas, rose gardens, health clinics, memorials to fallen heroes, interplanetary probes, libraries for schoolchildren, de-militarized zones, rides to the polls, affirmations of cross-border friendship, new vaccines, arms reduction treaties, performing arts centers.

Those who get their energy from hate make the process ugly. Their energy can still be useful if harnessed. But they make things ugly because they cannot see the honor that exists on any other side.

_

The dems will do nothing because they can’t override a veto. Plus they are going to spend all their time on show trials and hearings and use that “important work” as the reason they didn’t pass any legislation. They will continue to blame Trump for everything the next two years.

I’m more concerned that the democrats found 20 million voters in this election versus the last midterm, and none of them came at the price of republican votes since their vote totals also increased, albeit by only 1.5 million. I won’t go down the path of how you increase your votes 40% in one midterm cycle because I have no idea how you would accomplish that.

(Today 02:55 AM)banker Wrote:  The dems will do nothing because they can’t override a veto. Plus they are going to spend all their time on show trials and hearings and use that “important work” as the reason they didn’t pass any legislation. They will continue to blame Trump for everything the next two years.

I’m more concerned that the democrats found 20 million voters in this election versus the last midterm, and none of them came at the price of republican votes since their vote totals also increased, albeit by only 1.5 million. I won’t go down the path of how you increase your votes 40% in one midterm cycle because I have no idea how you would accomplish that.

This is no mysterious, cosmic thing. Donald Trump is just a horrible president.

It’s the realization of the opportunity lost.

Since 2016, I have excused in my mind all of the many small setbacks, all of the constant angry noise, and all of the ridiculously unnecessary Trump-sourced stupidity as just the unpleasant side of a nation going through the healing process. At least we were finally moving in the right direction. I am going to think on it further over the coming weeks/months, but I am not sure that I believe that anymore.

I can handle an electoral loss. Virginia 2025 for example. But the way that this loss happened, and where it happened, is extremely discouraging.

Other than finally lifting the “Wizard of Oz” curtain on the unmitigated incompetence of President Trump, I really don’t yet any positive to get things back to my customary naive optimism. I’d love to read some posts explaining why I am wrong.

(Today 02:55 AM)banker Wrote:  The dems will do nothing because they can’t override a veto. Plus they are going to spend all their time on show trials and hearings and use that “important work” as the reason they didn’t pass any legislation. They will continue to blame Trump for everything the next two years.

I’m more concerned that the democrats found 20 million voters in this election versus the last midterm, and none of them came at the price of republican votes since their vote totals also increased, albeit by only 1.5 million. I won’t go down the path of how you increase your votes 40% in one midterm cycle because I have no idea how you would accomplish that.

It's called cheating, which, as Tom will explain to us, just isn't possible, much.

The best we can hope for is Congressional gridlock.

(Yesterday 11:50 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  They turned a lot of state houses blue. They can get more done on the local level now.

Yes. The Democrats are putting candidates into races at all levels now. The more aggressive approach is paying off.