Well, he now has his opening, and he's not to shy to take it. Let's hope the Bushes and Rove are no longer part of his posse. If they are, he will end up being basically as worthless as the RINOs in the Senate he accuses. And that brief stupid stunt about having his f-in wife run for gov of Fl was as stupid as having Graham's sister run for the open seat vacated by her brother's death in SC. American Citizens aren't interested in dynasties and noble classes. So let's not hear abut any Trump children running either. Ron, don't f--- it up. And Ted, no, we don't want you either. You missed your chance to be on the SCOTUS. Don't compound that. Go for TX governor in 4 years instead, but don't run for Prez. JD indicated earlier this year he might not run due to a young family and his wife's distaste. Now, that decision is easier. Even Rubio will be tied to Trump if he runs. An outsider (is DeSantis really one, or is he a return to the Bush-failure cronyism and RINO fake conservatives that led us to this mess and did nothing to advance the conservative agenda in the Senate?) will be the best option. Ron did govern FL well, and stood up to the RINOS and Democrats in his state. Was that just an act after he lost to Trump? Let's hope not. Donalds obviously a better governor than DeSantis' wife. Whycome no news media really touting the historic significance in FL...well, Donalds is not their house buy.

Quote:Ron DeSantis is GOING OFF on Republicans for SQUANDERING our TWO YEAR TRIFECTA -- ESPECIALLY on deportations

"Why haven't we STRIPPED JURISDICTION from the federal courts over deportation cases?!"

"Why haven't we done IMMIGRATION?! Shut off H1B visas! Why haven't we CODIFIED Trump's immigration executive orders? There's SO MANY THINGS that could have been done. They didn't even ATTEMPT it, Laura."

"A lot of our voters who STAYED HOME. They stayed home because they were FRUSTRATED with the lack of productivity from Republicans in the House and Senate."

Senate Republicans had everything they needed to LOCK IN conservative immigration policy for a GENERATION. They didn't even TRY.

Quote:BREAKING: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis tells Senate Republicans to IMMEDIATELY go maximum speed in confirming conservative judicial nominees, NOW!!

"ROLL IN COTS to the US Senate Cloakroom! Have them work around the clock. You are NOT gonna be able to confirm ANY conservative judges starting Jan. 3 for the remainder of President Trump's term. 54 for sure, may end up with 56. Even if you got some red state Dems to flip, you are NOT getting 6 Dems."

"Make sure EVERY VACANCY IS FILLED between NOW and Jan. 3."

TIME TO GET GOING, LEADER THUNE!

The clock is ticking. And we can't make this decision for them, but Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito also have a decision to make here on if they want to risk being replaced by another Ketanji Brown Jackson

Chatter around Rubio resigning and launching a 2028 campaign. He already received an endorsement from an Indiana congressman.

I think Rubio needs to either (a) resign immediately, wash the Trump stench off and move to launch a 2028 campaign or (b) stay on and put all his energy into ending the war in Iran and getting elections in Venezuela. He is already more sophisticated than Vance and his Cuban heritage/Spanish fluency are positives, but he needs some foreign policy wins that can be sold as America first.

DeSantis is a decent choice, but still has some Trump stench on him (not as much as Rubio or Vance). Personally, I think that Brian Kemp should throw his hat in the ring. Popular governor of a now-purple state and has kept out of the Trump pigpen.

How about Glenn Youngkin? Popular Governor of a red state that is turning blue. No Trump attachment (and could shoot the three-pointer).

(11-05-2026 05:11 PM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  How about Glenn Youngkin? Popular Governor of a red state that is turning blue. No Trump attachment (and could shoot the three-pointer).

100%

(11-05-2026 04:57 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Chatter around Rubio resigning and launching a 2028 campaign. He already received an endorsement from an Indiana congressman.

I think Rubio needs to either (a) resign immediately, wash the Trump stench off and move to launch a 2028 campaign or (b) stay on and put all his energy into ending the war in Iran and getting elections in Venezuela. He is already more sophisticated than Vance and his Cuban heritage/Spanish fluency are positives, but he needs some foreign policy wins that can be sold as America first.

DeSantis is a decent choice, but still has some Trump stench on him (not as much as Rubio or Vance). Personally, I think that Brian Kemp should throw his hat in the ring. Popular governor of a now-purple state and has kept out of the Trump pigpen.

Brian kemp appears to be mostly a joke, and part of the reason Republicans lost the Senate in 2022, and clearly he didn't do a d@mn thing to help GA this cycle either. He could have helped by running for Senate against A$$off. He and Raffensbooger are part of the problem in the South. I'll likely never fully trust someone with DeSantis' background, but I might be willing to hold my nose and vote for him in '28 depending on how things shake out.

(11-05-2026 05:19 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(11-05-2026 05:11 PM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  How about Glenn Youngkin? Popular Governor of a red state that is turning blue. No Trump attachment (and could shoot the three-pointer).

100%

I'm good with Youngkin.

(11-05-2026 05:11 PM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  How about Glenn Youngkin? Popular Governor of a red state that is turning blue. No Trump attachment (and could shoot the three-pointer).

wasn't his nickname, Dunkin' Youngkin? that's what I remember him for

(11-06-2026 12:13 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-05-2026 04:57 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Chatter around Rubio resigning and launching a 2028 campaign. He already received an endorsement from an Indiana congressman.

I think Rubio needs to either (a) resign immediately, wash the Trump stench off and move to launch a 2028 campaign or (b) stay on and put all his energy into ending the war in Iran and getting elections in Venezuela. He is already more sophisticated than Vance and his Cuban heritage/Spanish fluency are positives, but he needs some foreign policy wins that can be sold as America first.

DeSantis is a decent choice, but still has some Trump stench on him (not as much as Rubio or Vance). Personally, I think that Brian Kemp should throw his hat in the ring. Popular governor of a now-purple state and has kept out of the Trump pigpen.

Brian kemp appears to be mostly a joke, and part of the reason Republicans lost the Senate in 2022, and clearly he didn't do a d@mn thing to help GA this cycle either. He could have helped by running for Senate against A$$off. He and Raffensbooger are part of the problem in the South. I'll likely never fully trust someone with DeSantis' background, but I might be willing to hold my nose and vote for him in '28 depending on how things shake out.

It appears 70% of Georgians approved of the job Kemp was doing according to an AJC/UGA poll in October, so he must have been doing something right. He probably should have run for Senate, but, given the poor relationship between he and Trump, I expect Trump would've still endorsed Collins and the outcome would have been the same.

(11-06-2026 12:54 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(11-06-2026 12:13 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-05-2026 04:57 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Chatter around Rubio resigning and launching a 2028 campaign. He already received an endorsement from an Indiana congressman.

I think Rubio needs to either (a) resign immediately, wash the Trump stench off and move to launch a 2028 campaign or (b) stay on and put all his energy into ending the war in Iran and getting elections in Venezuela. He is already more sophisticated than Vance and his Cuban heritage/Spanish fluency are positives, but he needs some foreign policy wins that can be sold as America first.

DeSantis is a decent choice, but still has some Trump stench on him (not as much as Rubio or Vance). Personally, I think that Brian Kemp should throw his hat in the ring. Popular governor of a now-purple state and has kept out of the Trump pigpen.

Brian kemp appears to be mostly a joke, and part of the reason Republicans lost the Senate in 2022, and clearly he didn't do a d@mn thing to help GA this cycle either. He could have helped by running for Senate against A$$off. He and Raffensbooger are part of the problem in the South. I'll likely never fully trust someone with DeSantis' background, but I might be willing to hold my nose and vote for him in '28 depending on how things shake out.

It appears 70% of Georgians approved of the job Kemp was doing according to an AJC/UGA poll in October, so he must have been doing something right. He probably should have run for Senate, but, given the poor relationship between he and Trump, I expect Trump would've still endorsed Collins and the outcome would have been the same.

You neglect the Georgians who saw the writing on the wall and fled the state before it turned from purplish to blue. As well, those who were fed up that in 2025 Trump and Republicans were keeping campaign promises and prices were down, economy improving in meaningful ways to average citizens (border closed down, illegals detained and deported, fuel prices down substantially from Biden*-Dem disaster years, inflation brought under control from disastrous Democrat legislation and Autopen control, massive Democrat fraud in government and Deep State investigated, identified and beginning to be addressed).

Then starting in Feb 2026, with the advent of the Iran war, on the heels of unfortunately high hubris from the (now forgotten, but still significant game changer) resounding success in Venezuela (non-Persian, valueless crazies in control in terrorist Iran not the Christianized bad guys in control in Venezuela) much of the good will built up the previous year was undone enough that he lost the voters who had switched and or come out for him and the Reps in 2024.

These were not ideological conservatives, they were the populist middle classes, Reagan Democrats, middle class folks so hurt by the Democrat's oppressive, individual and family-killing big government overspending, over taxing and over regulation that they gave Trump and Republicans a chance to begin to undo some of the damage the Democrats caused in such a short time during the Obama and Biden* years.

A big part of the problem was that the same Admin who pointed to the folly of the previously idiotic Democratic messaging of things like "temporary inflation" and a "roaring economy that's fine" and "more jobs created than before COVID" when every sane voter knew the reality was Permanent, Democratic-caused CRUSHING Inflation that persists to this day, without adding the war price increases to gas and diesel, terrible economy under Biden for poor, middle and upper classes (Biden*-connected insiders and elites excepted, but of course) and mostly the very same jobs shut down under COVID returning in a lesser form and often part-time or temporary instead of full-time. The same Republicans who rightfully ridiculed those and other Democrat lies resorted to some of the same messaging: The war will be short and 'temporary" as would the higher gas prices.

The difference being that under Trump, the underlying economic numbers were in fact getting better, inflation was actually way down in percentage increase from the Horrendous Biden* years, and as we continue to see, jobs, including an increase in full time versus part time employment are trending upwards and unemployment falls down.

The problem is entropy: It is far easier to destroy in a short time and takes much longer to recover and build back up after. And fighting a war with hands tied behind your back (no ground troops! Ceasefires! "Deals" with folks who don't and have never believed in them, et cetera) never works (see: Vietnam and Chamberlain's appeasement of Germany between WWI and WW11) certainly doesn't help and gave the enemy time to wait out our election cycle featuring too much of a fickle and sacrifice-averse leftist coopted American population infiltrated by tens of millions of non-citizens who hate the very place they ran off to in order to destroy it from within with glad-handing and cheering for the DSA-types who will do and say anything for power. Just look at who is cheering the Democrat gains around the world and who is not. Not good for America, but, hey, it's 'hope and change' all over again...Buyers remorse will be a biatch, even worse this time,. The destruction from Democrat DSA policies will be even harder to crawl out from when the fickle voters realize and beg for help in 2, 4, or 6 years. Problem is, there will be fewer people to help them back up.

Building a country takes individual time and recovering from socialist damage takes several times a s long as it takes Democrat policies to destroy in the first place. The war was not properly prepared for, the economic consequences and duration not properly assessed and planned for, and the messaging felt the same as Biden* and the Democrats telling American citizens how great the terrible inflation, mass illegal invasion and unaffordability the Democrats created was good for them.

Now, many people are still in pain, renters suffering from the ungodly high rents from so much absorption and squatting by illegals and their never-ending chain migrations, subsidized heavily by taxpayer money the illegals get handed to them for free, the massive, trillions of dollars of fraud sucking taxpayer money from hardworking American citizens trying to do their fair share only to be pizzed on by Deep State government operatives, millions of foreign scammers plugged into the NGO system because Democrats protect it from vigilant oversight and prevent ending fraudsters and holding them accountable every step of the way (because they take a cut for the Democrats themselves--how do you think they get so much money in the first place? It ain't from their churches (they hates Christianity, right Tallywhacko?) So they have lost patience and turn back to the very people who originally caused so much of that pain because they think they can't hold on any longer.

Only it's not going to stop or get better by more taxation, more economy stifling regulations, more green new scams sucking billion of taxpayer dollars away from the folks that need those dollars for themselves and their families, more illegals coming through again a semi-open border by Democrat governors who care not for you, but only how they can line their own pockets using illegals as a pawn to gain and retain power, America be d@mned (as they openly shout these days with PRIDE!)

And don't forget the all-important impeachments! and Investigations! My goodness, THIOSE will REALLY help make American's lives affordable again (they'll only spend half a trillion or so on the necessary background research and paperwork, since it's for the 'cause', right?)

Too many weak, frustrated people, rightly so, bought the lies. Now, everyone unfortunately will pay for their short-sightedness.

The fundamental rule of Economics is scarcity: everyone CAN'T have everything they want. The fundamental rule of Politics is to avoid the fundamental rule of Economics. We have just seen that truth work like a charm. Those who don't study history are doomed to repat it. But hey, I'm sure the Socialism will work THIS time!

(11-07-2026 03:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  And don't forget the all-important impeachments! and Investigations! My goodness, THIOSE will REALLY help make American's lives affordable again (they'll only spend half a trillion or so on the necessary background research and paperwork, since it's for the 'cause', right?)

I am hoping the Lefty/pro-Iranian coalition will expend a lot of time and energy pursuing their Trump Revenge Tour, and maybe not get around to doing some of the bad things they promised.

(11-07-2026 10:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-07-2026 03:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  And don't forget the all-important impeachments! and Investigations! My goodness, THIOSE will REALLY help make American's lives affordable again (they'll only spend half a trillion or so on the necessary background research and paperwork, since it's for the 'cause', right?)

I am hoping the Lefty/pro-Iranian coalition will expend a lot of time and energy pursuing their Trump Revenge Tour, and maybe not get around to doing some of the bad things they promised.

What do you think of Trump's *current* revenge tour?

I find it odd you are lathered up about something that hasnt happened, and seem amazingly non-plussed about that revenge touor that is so obviously currently happening. Odd indeed.

As an example, making a prime number just less than 8648 made out of seashells into a crime apparently escapes the outrage filter you have formed up......

(11-07-2026 10:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-07-2026 03:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  And don't forget the all-important impeachments! and Investigations! My goodness, THIOSE will REALLY help make American's lives affordable again (they'll only spend half a trillion or so on the necessary background research and paperwork, since it's for the 'cause', right?)

I am hoping the Lefty/pro-Iranian coalition will expend a lot of time and energy pursuing their Trump Revenge Tour, and maybe not get around to doing some of the bad things they promised.

Upon reflection, "coalition" was a poor choice of wors. It implies a formal alliance, like the coalitions of various parties in a parliament. Fellow travelers might be a better choice, as it implies a commonality of goals without an agreement.

The left wants Trump gone. Fine with Iran. Out of office at the least.

The left wants to block and harass Trump and his administration at every possible point. Fine with the Iranians.

The left wants to end the war. A top goal of Iran. Maybe ease sanctios too. Maybe a pallet of cash and implicit permission to make a bomb....again.

Much of the left is antiJewish. Ditto Iran.

The left wants to stop aid to Israel. The Iranians say, "wonderful - Sure will make it easier to wipe them out".

The left is pro-Palestinian. Same for Iran.

Many more points of commonality.

Basically, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and Trump is the enmy of the Democrats/Socialists and also the enemy of Iran.

there are too many points of commonality to be ignored.

Don't let your Trump-hate get in the way of rationality.

(11-08-2026 04:35 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What do you think of Trump's *current* revenge tour?

I find it odd you are lathered up about something that hasnt happened, and seem amazingly non-plussed about that revenge touor that is so obviously currently happening. Odd indeed.

As an example, making a prime number just less than 8648 made out of seashells into a crime apparently escapes the outrage filter you have formed up......

Did he break any laws? 8648 apparently didn't break any laws, neither did recruiting someone with the same name as a sitting senator to impact the election, neither did party leadership using rhetoric that clearly lead to assassinations and attempted ones... throwing everything you can possibly think of at him wasn't illegal... why is it only suddenly a problem when the other guy does it? The problem with lawfare is that it establishes a precedent if you fail... and becomes the 'new normal'.

I'd agree with you that a lot of this was wrong, but you supported and defended it when it was targeting him... and now you expect 'him' (of all people) to play by stricter rules?

I think he harmed his legacy here by under-estimating how far the left would go into insanity and how many people would rally to this cry of 'free stuff'. A fatal error to be sure and he and the party will pay the price...,. but so too I think the left will pay the price of dancing with the devil. Will it be enough to change things to the other direction by 2028? Probably not. A lot depends on how people react. If the right reacts like the left did, I'd expect to see a lot more politically motivated acts of violence. If the left tries to push to say end the Senate, I'd expect to see a lot more armed responses as the government seeks to enforce their new laws. I guess THEN the left will think it will be okay to call on the national guard? I'm of course not speaking about you... but I have no idea why so many 'regular' Democrats don't see that their leadership is dancing with the devil. I guess they think they can control them... and maybe these Republicans who are pushing back against Trump now think that they can form a coalition with moderate democrats and return us to some proxy for normalcy... but 'regular' Democrats have their work cut out for them. That's my greatest hope here.... I don't see any real risk that Rubio (who IMO must be the right's front runner) suddenly adopts Trump bombastic style or rhetoric and certainly not his business practices... so I don't see someone more extreme coming out of the right... but I ABSOLUTELY see someone vastly more extreme coming from the left... and given how far left Biden went from Obama, that is saying something.

(11-05-2026 05:11 PM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  How about Glenn Youngkin? Popular Governor of a red state that is turning blue. No Trump attachment (and could shoot the three-pointer).

I suspect you won't see Reps put forth their best in 2028, as I think many will view these results as a referendum on the party. As such, it may be a dead-man-walking type scenario, especially with a rather deep Dem bench in 2028. Unless age becomes a concern, I suspect Reps with presidential ambitions will mostly wait until 2032, unless they view this as an opportunity to test the waters and gain some insight into what it's like to run for president.

(11-08-2026 04:35 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-07-2026 10:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-07-2026 03:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  And don't forget the all-important impeachments! and Investigations! My goodness, THIOSE will REALLY help make American's lives affordable again (they'll only spend half a trillion or so on the necessary background research and paperwork, since it's for the 'cause', right?)

I am hoping the Lefty/pro-Iranian coalition will expend a lot of time and energy pursuing their Trump Revenge Tour, and maybe not get around to doing some of the bad things they promised.

What do you think of Trump's *current* revenge tour?

I find it odd you are lathered up about something that hasnt happened, and seem amazingly non-plussed about that revenge touor that is so obviously currently happening. Odd indeed.

As an example, making a prime number just less than 8648 made out of seashells into a crime apparently escapes the outrage filter you have formed up......

I thought you opposed "whadabout" posts? Guess not.

The electees have already announced plans to impeach Trump, impeach Hegseth, abolish ICE, and much more. I guess to you that is just statesmanship. I hope they expend their time and energy on it, rather than carry out their threats to abolish the Senate and pack the Supreme Court so that it will automatically rubber stamp their agenda. Nothing will negate the blue wave more than Democrats on a revenge tour.

The left - your team - has been on their revenge tour since 2016, when trump beat their designated Empress, the one who "should" have been elected because it was "her turn" That was all OK with you, not because it was right but because it was Trump. JMHO. Immediately they launched into lawfare, with the inane and stupid Russia Collusion Hoax, and they have not let up since.

I think the 8647 thing was silly - silly when Comey did it, silly to take it seriously. I considered it it just more rabble rousing. But apparently Comey thought it might be iffy, since he said he "found" it and didn't confess to having done it. Why not proudly say, "I did this"? Evidence of a guilty mind?

I don't agree with everything Trump does or says, or his manner, but he is by far the lesser evil.

(Yesterday 12:54 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  [quote='tanqtonic' pid='20847121' dateline='1794130535']
What do you think of Trump's *current* revenge tour?

I find it odd you are lathered up about something that hasnt happened, and seem amazingly non-plussed about that revenge touor that is so obviously currently happening. Odd indeed.

As an example, making a prime number just less than 8648 made out of seashells into a crime apparently escapes the outrage filter you have formed up......

I guess you wont even try to answer the question that was asked. Ill ask again --

What do *you* think of Trump 2nd term's revenge and retribution tour? That is, OO was opining and complaining about some 'revenge tour' that, well heck -- the Dems havent even taken office.... mind you.

Since you have decided to roll out and not answered the question and instead kind of toss out a grab bage of items, Id like to hear your answer to the question.

And in issue and specific, how do *you* like an obvious target of retribution being literally *charged* for *daring* utter the number 8647? That is the specific question I asked. And a more generalized one, are you fine and dandy with the Trump revenge and retribution tour?

Quote:Did he break any laws?

To whom are you referring to with 'he'?

Quote: 8648 apparently didn't break any laws,

Correct. Uttering a number with no tangible reasonable threat behind it absolutely does not, nor should it break any laws. Simple exercise in free speech.

Quote:neither did recruiting someone with the same name as a sitting senator to impact the election,

I cannot think of any laws that were or might have been broken. Doesnt detract from that action being the pinnacle of dirty politics and pretty disgusting -- but last I saw urging someone, anyone, for any reason, to run for office is not illegal. Again simple 1st Amendment.

Quote: neither did party leadership using rhetoric that clearly lead to assassinations and attempted ones

Again correct. We can very much disagree about the unitary blame you bring here, and almost every time.

Ill add one:

Quote: Having a President urge a group of heated, armed folks to march over to the Capitol and try to stir trouble up -- even when the evidence shows he was actually concerned about doing *anything* and *everything* to either: a) get his plan to short circuit votes in action; and/or b) stall out the count to run some other **** for brains crapola event to try and overturn the counting of legal and fully certified electoral ballots, having zero legal basis.

His speech there, as grotesque and hideous it was due to what he planned to use it for, is protected speech. And shouldnt be charged. Just like your previous examples. I stunned you didnt latch on to that one in your pantheon of whadabouts.

Quote: throwing everything you can possibly think of at him wasn't illegal... why is it only suddenly a problem when the other guy does it?

Yes, how dare Trump be charged with a criminal act of felony destruction of records, which is clearly shown in the facts and he was indicted, tried, and convicted of. The horror.

Yes, how dare Trump be cited for pervasive fraud, which was shown in the facts on the record, and was found liable for. The horror.

The things that didnt find there way to the mark were simply halted because trump won the election. How dare they put him at legal risk for trying to usurp the Presidential election and the electoral process. The horror. How dare they put him at risk when he suborned perjury and obstructed justice when he refused a valid subpoena for documents he held. The horror.

What doesnt ring true is using the above as a path to excuse trying to justify the obviously false and retributive methods and actions in multiple issues and cases. They have become staggering in both depth, and width. 8647? My fing ass.

Quote:I'd agree with you that a lot of this was wrong, but you supported and defended it when it was targeting him... and now you expect 'him' (of all people) to play by stricter rules?

Stricter rules? Lolz. Good grief. No, I expect him to play by the rules that when there is sufficient cause to charge, he do so. As it stands, in literally every case brought so far, it is truly plain to see how farcical the gin up is. To the extent the judiciary is taking not, in rather harsh terms.

There was *absolutely* sufficient cause to pursue Trump for the MAL case, the J6 case, the Stormy case, and for the State of NY to pursue him for pervasive fraud.

Now you are saying its asking for 'stricter rules' to simply ask for a prima facie case? Double lolz.

Quote: I think he harmed his legacy here by under-estimating how far the left would go into insanity

And all at the time same fail to see how MAGA has actually rolled to their version of insanity.

Quote:If the left tries to push to say end the Senate, I'd expect to see a lot more armed responses as the government seeks to enforce their new laws.

Quote:I guess THEN the left will think it will be okay to call on the national guard?

Id be interested in your example of 'trying to push to say end the Senate'. I dont think 'ending the Senate' can be done without explicitly amending the Constitution.

If the Dems go to the extreme of bypassing the Constitution -- yes, I would expect to see heightened confrontation.

If you are talking about 'an unpopular act that leads to demonstrations', then that is typically (and should be) the purview of a local authority to make that determination -- to both be a counter to actual violence, and when done locally can be used directly in LE purposes.

The guard is not the local tool that a Federal official should be able to commandeer to specifically aid LE activities at a whim. If a situation rises to the level of an *actual* LEGAL basis to utilize them for purposes specifically set out in Federal law, then they do so.

SO no, Ham, its not a 100,000 foot view of comparing the end result of 'calling out the guard' as you present.

Quote:I'm of course not speaking about you... but I have no idea why so many 'regular' Democrats don't see that their leadership is dancing with the devil. I guess they think they can control them... and maybe these Republicans who are pushing back against Trump now think that they can form a coalition with moderate democrats and return us to some proxy for normalcy... but 'regular' Democrats have their work cut out for them. That's my greatest hope here.... I don't see any real risk that Rubio (who IMO must be the right's front runner) suddenly adopts Trump bombastic style or rhetoric and certainly not his business practices... so I don't see someone more extreme coming out of the right...

I agree with you that a return to normalcy is for the best. Unlike you, I dont see just one 'side' at fault.

The interesting thing to me, is that there seems to exist some form of philosophical bubble amongst the right that *every* legal action against DJT was some form of voodoo magic witch hunt.

In honesty -- there was at least one. The first Trump impeachment was 'iffy', absolutely. But at the end of the day, impeachment is a political tool, not a legal one.

For the Carroll case, there is a LOT of blame on Trump and the Trump legal team. That legal team never presented any sort of judicial answer, nor presented any form of active defense. His defense of Carroll one was to stay mum-lipped. And in civil cases, it is whether her stuff weighed more than Trump's stuff. Literally. Trump came up with zero to counter her bald claim.

Trump got into further trouble, since the result to him is that he could no longer use any new factual defenses -- it was heard. And lastly, Trump, like Trump does, went fast lipped on her -- and in his own words, and what was found by the court, and Trump could not challenge the issue for not ever having brought it up --he got slapped with a humongous damage claim. He set the table for that, and he pulled the trigger on himself. And to be clear, I am not entirely certain that the first verdict, that sank him for second verdict, was factual. But -- again -- Trumps legal defense was to literally stay silent during his presentation. Again -- anything at all substantive > 0, and thus Trump entered the Carroll hellhole. Because he didnt make an effort to present anything.

Quote:but I ABSOLUTELY see someone vastly more extreme coming from the left... and given how far left Biden went from Obama, that is saying something.

We shall see. I dont necessarily.

(Yesterday 01:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-08-2026 04:35 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-07-2026 10:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-07-2026 03:58 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  And don't forget the all-important impeachments! and Investigations! My goodness, THIOSE will REALLY help make American's lives affordable again (they'll only spend half a trillion or so on the necessary background research and paperwork, since it's for the 'cause', right?)

I am hoping the Lefty/pro-Iranian coalition will expend a lot of time and energy pursuing their Trump Revenge Tour, and maybe not get around to doing some of the bad things they promised.

What do you think of Trump's *current* revenge tour?

I find it odd you are lathered up about something that hasnt happened, and seem amazingly non-plussed about that revenge touor that is so obviously currently happening. Odd indeed.

As an example, making a prime number just less than 8648 made out of seashells into a crime apparently escapes the outrage filter you have formed up......

I thought you opposed "whadabout" posts? Guess not.

The electees have already announced plans to impeach Trump, impeach Hegseth, abolish ICE, and much more. I guess to you that is just statesmanship. I hope they expend their time and energy on it, rather than carry out their threats to abolish the Senate and pack the Supreme Court so that it will automatically rubber stamp their agenda. Nothing will negate the blue wave more than Democrats on a revenge tour.

The left - your team - has been on their revenge tour since 2016, when trump beat their designated Empress, the one who "should" have been elected because it was "her turn" That was all OK with you, not because it was right but because it was Trump. JMHO. Immediately they launched into lawfare, with the inane and stupid Russia Collusion Hoax, and they have not let up since.

I think the 8647 thing was silly - silly when Comey did it, silly to take it seriously. I considered it it just more rabble rousing. But apparently Comey thought it might be iffy, since he said he "found" it and didn't confess to having done it. Why not proudly say, "I did this"? Evidence of a guilty mind?

I don't agree with everything Trump does or says, or his manner, but he is by far the lesser evil.

I hope that the Dems don't spend all their time trying to prosecute everybody for the next two years (although Jared Kushner probably needs so see some prison time so I'm OK with that one!).

I don't see the Dems packing the Supreme Court or making PR a state. That would be super-unpopular with most everybody.

Like you, I'm glad that Trump is keeping himself busy with renovating his tacky ballroom rather than pushing the Stephen Miller agenda forward.