(10-19-2026 06:44 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: (10-19-2026 05:39 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: So questions...
Why would the R&S or whatever other 'common' offense that everyone else runs somehow work 'better' at Rice than at other school?
Why would Rice get better players than other schools?
A pure John Jenkins Run & Shoot is being utilized by no FBS school. It would work because you can recruit undersized wide receivers and quarterbacks who are passed over by bigger schools. There are so many high school players who compete in 7-on-7 that the recruiting base would be larger than for an option attack. And, this kind of offense, at its maximum usage, might be too complicated for players at many schools, but not at Rice.
But, let's just stick with an outmoded option attack with the wide pitch almost always useless.
Your premise that there are under-sized WRs and QBs that all of these 'bigger' schools overlook ignores all of the 'similar' schools that are recruiting these same kids. Diego Pavia was grossly under-sized... but I'm sure that Vandy paid him a large multiple of what we did. Every school in our conference and most schools in g5 have numerous kids on their rosters that don't measure up to what 'the big schools' want.
I just picked them as our most recent opponent.... 7 of Tulsa's 12 WRs are under 5'11... many of them at under 5'9. 9 of them are 'listed' at 6' or less.
UT has NO WRs under 5'11 and only 2 under 6'.
So there are at least 50 and probably more like 75 schools at our level or higher who are all looking for that same kid...
AND
You ignore my comments that should a guy actually 'break out', we will struggle to keep him financially.... and worse... should we get enough of those kinds of guys to actually be good, that every one of them AND the coach will leave us at year end, giving us only a few weeks to identify and hire a coach... and for him to bring his own key players (IF we can afford them) in to replace ours.
There is nothing antiquated about the gun option.... and my high school has great success with it, averaging about 50 points a game (often giving up fewer than 10). The reads we are making do seem to be predictable...
But Army runs a similar scheme and are 83-58 under their current coach of 11 years
Navy is struggling this year but are STILL 38-26 under their 3 year coach, and had similar records under their previous two, longer term HCs running a similar scheme.
Air Force has kept their coach for 19 years with similar results
The argument that there are all of these 'smart', but under-sized kids just hoping that Rice will come knocking is the dream that Rice has been chasing since the 1970's at least.... and THAT was before you could 'rent' a team by the year.
I can't say with any authority whatsoever that you are categorically wrong... and neither can you say that to me...
HOWEVER, I CAN say with 100% certainty (and YOU are sort of proving the point) that almost every team in g5, FCS and a number of p5 schools are looking for those under-sized guys in high school... and every one of them PLUS the 'big boys' are looking for those able to translate that success to schools like Rice.
(10-19-2026 09:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: It was going this way anyway, but the Covid crisis and the NIL decision just speeded up the conversion of amateur football into pro football. It is absolutely a money game now. We have a definitely small alumni/fan base, and they are relatively unrich. The only way I see to have success in this environment (other than outspending all the others) is to find somebody who can take the players nobody else wants and make them work. Abell is one such option. Another would be a coach who can make the R&S work. Who's running that now?
Seems we have two options:
A. Quadruple (or more) our giving to the athletic program, or for some of you, start writing checks. Play the money game with schools with 60X our alumni, and outspend them, or
B. Find a contrarian way to win games, rather than just hiring another run of the mill OC looking to jump at the first opportunity, again.
If anybody sees a "C", say so.
Right now, I think "B' has to be our choice.
Agreed. Im not 'against' some sort of wild open offense... in fact I'd like to see us use a wide variety of formations and splits... I saw a team, line their tight end up at guard, but a step off the ball... and he went out and caught a pass. I honestly don't know why we don't do something like that numerous times every game... I had/have hopes that the gun option can do that... but I haven't seen it. What I've seen is QBs miss some wide open guys and WRs drop some 'perfect' passes.