(10-08-2026 09:56 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 05:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 04:45 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Yes Phillips has a very diplomatic management style about him....for the most part I appreciate that about him. However, in basically desperate time likes the lawsuits previously and now the PCSA, it seems like we need to have him take the diplomatic hat off and show us alittle more of an aggressive and passionate approach, without sounding like a horses ass which the SEC commish does regularly. Problem is, while sounding like a horses ass, he's also getting his way almost 100% of the time. Also maybe publicly voice or have leaked out some creative ideas to build some leverage and/or incentives for schools to stay. I hear the keep cards to the chest thought, but I need(ed) Phillips out there fighting for the ACC with the PCSA...frankly I needed UofL doing it more after their early on report about needing the budget to balance better and the pooling rights support.

Maybe he and his team have some incentive tricks up their sleeve and are waiting for the PCSA to pass first....just hope its not too late at that point. I don't think UNC, UVA, possibly Miami and Clemson wants to leave.... FSU is looking for first, second, last thing smoking out of dodge.....But they're going to want to see what can be provided to stay....as well, Team Rest of Us would like to see how we can stay competitive at the top level too and thats on Diplomatic Don to present them and frankly all of us through the media...

I agree. Phillips seems to meek to me. I would rather have someone there who knows how to get things done, knows how to get ahead even when playing from behind. The other P3 conferences seem to have that. Kind of Pee Wee v Tyson kind of vibes.

So what has Dr. J done or not done that he would have been able to realistically accomplish? Is he a dictator or is he at the mercy of membership? Doesn't he represent membership?

FSU chapped booties are still a lil red because they don't understand the entirety of membership was bound to the media contract they all knowingly signed, so when a few wanted changes, they were quickly outvoted by MEMBERSHIP. Every single member always had an out, and any other story is a myth. Olde Ironclad was never "ironclad" in realty, but it was a funny bit there for a while to give the FSU's of the world a bit of diaper rash. We can see they've moved on

What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:56 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 05:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 04:45 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Yes Phillips has a very diplomatic management style about him....for the most part I appreciate that about him. However, in basically desperate time likes the lawsuits previously and now the PCSA, it seems like we need to have him take the diplomatic hat off and show us alittle more of an aggressive and passionate approach, without sounding like a horses ass which the SEC commish does regularly. Problem is, while sounding like a horses ass, he's also getting his way almost 100% of the time. Also maybe publicly voice or have leaked out some creative ideas to build some leverage and/or incentives for schools to stay. I hear the keep cards to the chest thought, but I need(ed) Phillips out there fighting for the ACC with the PCSA...frankly I needed UofL doing it more after their early on report about needing the budget to balance better and the pooling rights support.

Maybe he and his team have some incentive tricks up their sleeve and are waiting for the PCSA to pass first....just hope its not too late at that point. I don't think UNC, UVA, possibly Miami and Clemson wants to leave.... FSU is looking for first, second, last thing smoking out of dodge.....But they're going to want to see what can be provided to stay....as well, Team Rest of Us would like to see how we can stay competitive at the top level too and thats on Diplomatic Don to present them and frankly all of us through the media...

I agree. Phillips seems to meek to me. I would rather have someone there who knows how to get things done, knows how to get ahead even when playing from behind. The other P3 conferences seem to have that. Kind of Pee Wee v Tyson kind of vibes.

So what has Dr. J done or not done that he would have been able to realistically accomplish? Is he a dictator or is he at the mercy of membership? Doesn't he represent membership?

FSU chapped booties are still a lil red because they don't understand the entirety of membership was bound to the media contract they all knowingly signed, so when a few wanted changes, they were quickly outvoted by MEMBERSHIP. Every single member always had an out, and any other story is a myth. Olde Ironclad was never "ironclad" in realty, but it was a funny bit there for a while to give the FSU's of the world a bit of diaper rash. We can see they've moved on

What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

We’re doing better than expected on money. Whatever opportunities the league office is turning up there, we can all be for it.

I agree that the commissioner needs to be more pluralistic in the way he talks about what his membership does and does not support. It’s only right and accurate. And it helps him protect his own cred.

As it is, he has this habit of talking a bland, happy game of unanimity—then the FOIA documents come out and everyone learns once again that schools operate independently.

He has already boasted repeatedly, in public, of the ACC being “number 3.” After that, it’s giving no ground to acknowledge two other destinations exist out there that a reasonable university president or AD might find appealing. It does no harm even to wish all member schools well in making their choices and securing their futures.

People believe you when start from a position of honesty. There’s no obligation to sound like a P2 commissioner after you’ve admitted you’re not one.

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(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:56 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 05:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 04:45 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Yes Phillips has a very diplomatic management style about him....for the most part I appreciate that about him. However, in basically desperate time likes the lawsuits previously and now the PCSA, it seems like we need to have him take the diplomatic hat off and show us alittle more of an aggressive and passionate approach, without sounding like a horses ass which the SEC commish does regularly. Problem is, while sounding like a horses ass, he's also getting his way almost 100% of the time. Also maybe publicly voice or have leaked out some creative ideas to build some leverage and/or incentives for schools to stay. I hear the keep cards to the chest thought, but I need(ed) Phillips out there fighting for the ACC with the PCSA...frankly I needed UofL doing it more after their early on report about needing the budget to balance better and the pooling rights support.

Maybe he and his team have some incentive tricks up their sleeve and are waiting for the PCSA to pass first....just hope its not too late at that point. I don't think UNC, UVA, possibly Miami and Clemson wants to leave.... FSU is looking for first, second, last thing smoking out of dodge.....But they're going to want to see what can be provided to stay....as well, Team Rest of Us would like to see how we can stay competitive at the top level too and thats on Diplomatic Don to present them and frankly all of us through the media...

I agree. Phillips seems to meek to me. I would rather have someone there who knows how to get things done, knows how to get ahead even when playing from behind. The other P3 conferences seem to have that. Kind of Pee Wee v Tyson kind of vibes.

So what has Dr. J done or not done that he would have been able to realistically accomplish? Is he a dictator or is he at the mercy of membership? Doesn't he represent membership?

FSU chapped booties are still a lil red because they don't understand the entirety of membership was bound to the media contract they all knowingly signed, so when a few wanted changes, they were quickly outvoted by MEMBERSHIP. Every single member always had an out, and any other story is a myth. Olde Ironclad was never "ironclad" in realty, but it was a funny bit there for a while to give the FSU's of the world a bit of diaper rash. We can see they've moved on

What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

RE: using partial payments to Cal, Stanford, and SMU to boost payouts of legacy members...

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this?

This is just the latest "Sword of Damocles" situation for the ACC, which has been very successful but can never seem to enjoy it. It's also why the league should be proactive and expand again in 2030, with the objective of absorbing as much of the Big XII's media value as possible ("it's not personal, it's just business")

(10-08-2026 12:10 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

We’re doing better than expected on money. Whatever opportunities the league office is turning up there, we can all be for it.

I agree that the commissioner needs to be more pluralistic in the way he talks about what his membership does and does not support. It’s only right and accurate. And it helps him protect his own cred.

As it is, he has this habit of talking a bland, happy game of unanimity—then the FOIA documents come out and everyone learns once again that schools operate independently.

He has already boasted repeatedly, in public, of the ACC being “number 3.” After that, it’s giving no ground to acknowledge two other destinations exist out there that a reasonable university president or AD might find appealing. It does no harm even to wish all member schools well in making their choices and securing their futures.

People believe you when start from a position of honesty. There’s no obligation to sound like a P2 commissioner after you’ve admitted you’re not one.

__

You haven’t acknowledged he specifically said he will support getting the four anti-billers’ message out there?

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:56 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 05:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I agree. Phillips seems to meek to me. I would rather have someone there who knows how to get things done, knows how to get ahead even when playing from behind. The other P3 conferences seem to have that. Kind of Pee Wee v Tyson kind of vibes.

So what has Dr. J done or not done that he would have been able to realistically accomplish? Is he a dictator or is he at the mercy of membership? Doesn't he represent membership?

FSU chapped booties are still a lil red because they don't understand the entirety of membership was bound to the media contract they all knowingly signed, so when a few wanted changes, they were quickly outvoted by MEMBERSHIP. Every single member always had an out, and any other story is a myth. Olde Ironclad was never "ironclad" in realty, but it was a funny bit there for a while to give the FSU's of the world a bit of diaper rash. We can see they've moved on

What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

Revenue is going up, haven’t you heard? Besides, if you believe all the yokels on this site the ACC will be gifted a half billion in exit fees around then.

(10-08-2026 09:11 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:56 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  So what has Dr. J done or not done that he would have been able to realistically accomplish? Is he a dictator or is he at the mercy of membership? Doesn't he represent membership?

FSU chapped booties are still a lil red because they don't understand the entirety of membership was bound to the media contract they all knowingly signed, so when a few wanted changes, they were quickly outvoted by MEMBERSHIP. Every single member always had an out, and any other story is a myth. Olde Ironclad was never "ironclad" in realty, but it was a funny bit there for a while to give the FSU's of the world a bit of diaper rash. We can see they've moved on

What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

Revenue is going up, haven’t you heard? Besides, if you believe all the yokels on this site the ACC will be gifted a half billion in exit fees around then.

That’s where differ. I prefer to find a way to keep the ACC together so we won’t collect those exit fees. I want to see some out of the box thinking from our commish. I don’t think our commish is capable of that. He may be a good commish but he isn’t what we need right now.

(10-08-2026 09:43 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  That’s where differ. I prefer to find a way to keep the ACC together so we won’t collect those exit fees. I want to see some out of the box thinking from our commish. I don’t think our commish is capable of that. He may be a good commish but he isn’t what we need right now.

Do you think the conference needs something more of a Sankey/Yormark/Aresco?

(10-08-2026 10:17 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:43 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  That’s where differ. I prefer to find a way to keep the ACC together so we won’t collect those exit fees. I want to see some out of the box thinking from our commish. I don’t think our commish is capable of that. He may be a good commish but he isn’t what we need right now.

Do you think the conference needs something more of a Sankey/Yormark/Aresco?

Someone with fresh ideas & charisma to get everyone on board with them. For instance, switch football scheduling to a model more like what we use in volleyball. Someone who can land a strong & lucrative corporate sponsorship deal. Someone who can read the tea leaves & put us on a path for success. I don’t see Phillips as an innovator. He’s good a maintaining the status quo. I think he would be great for the BE or a G level conference. He’s bland & not a good salesman.

(10-08-2026 10:58 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:17 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:43 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  That’s where differ. I prefer to find a way to keep the ACC together so we won’t collect those exit fees. I want to see some out of the box thinking from our commish. I don’t think our commish is capable of that. He may be a good commish but he isn’t what we need right now.

Do you think the conference needs something more of a Sankey/Yormark/Aresco?

Someone with fresh ideas & charisma to get everyone on board with them. For instance, switch football scheduling to a model more like what we use in volleyball. Someone who can land a strong & lucrative corporate sponsorship deal. Someone who can read the tea leaves & put us on a path for success. I don’t see Phillips as an innovator. He’s good a maintaining the status quo. I think he would be great for the BE or a G level conference. He’s bland & not a good salesman.

This gets at a broader challenge everyone is facing, I think. Everything is changing. We all want to know: Who understands the new game and is ready to win at it?

https://x.com/burgessev/status/2108248449393037787

SHOWDOWN AT THE OK CORRAL

The problems with realignment are twofold.

1)timing
2)numbers

The timing for movement has never been right, primarily because of staggered contracts. There is never an opportunity to compare apples to apples situations with conferences.
When I first found this site the folks on the Big East expansion board (which is now the main realignment board were convinced that Maryland was poised to leave the ACC and join the Big East.

When the SEC discovered a loophole the NCAA had left in the rules about being able to hold a championship game if a conference had 12 members, the race was on. Nobody really wanted to get that large. The SEC and the Big Ten already had 10 members, as did the PAC after they had added Arizona and Arizona State. The ACC had only 8.
The race was on to get to 12 to be able to hold that lucrative Conference Championship game.
That one additional game where the Conference could keep all of the revenue was the impetus to start a stampede.

And where are we today....peeking over a cliff and looking at 20 or even more? Crazy. Teams are not selected on traditional conference criteria, and most don't fit the traditions of their new leagues, only money making marketable schools need to apply.
It's very sad.

(10-08-2026 09:11 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:56 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  So what has Dr. J done or not done that he would have been able to realistically accomplish? Is he a dictator or is he at the mercy of membership? Doesn't he represent membership?

FSU chapped booties are still a lil red because they don't understand the entirety of membership was bound to the media contract they all knowingly signed, so when a few wanted changes, they were quickly outvoted by MEMBERSHIP. Every single member always had an out, and any other story is a myth. Olde Ironclad was never "ironclad" in realty, but it was a funny bit there for a while to give the FSU's of the world a bit of diaper rash. We can see they've moved on

What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

Revenue is going up, haven’t you heard? Besides, if you believe all the yokels on this site the ACC will be gifted a half billion in exit fees around then.

Revenue isn't going up fast enough to stay competitive......Would I be accurate in saying you don't think the GOR penalty payments will happen, or at least not nearly to the 75 mil each would owe? Which I'm skeptical of myself...which only sets the rest of us back further when that time comes...

I've offered up ideas like the 10th game idea to start ASAP and take that to ESPN for a new contract. Or the neutral site series for all ACC schools with Big 12 or other P4s to generate dollars that way....We're not hearing any of this kind of new paths of making money to stay in touch with P2...Thats not even out of the box thinking either...

Again, we can have a publicly diplomatic commish and doesn't just say off the wall dumb stuff like Sankey can tend to do, but with that speaking with actions (more of them) needs to happen....Sankey, with his bluster and loud voice, also pushes himself around on behalf of the SEC and so his schools are happy with him.....

(10-09-2026 06:09 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:11 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

Revenue is going up, haven’t you heard? Besides, if you believe all the yokels on this site the ACC will be gifted a half billion in exit fees around then.

Revenue isn't going up fast enough to stay competitive......Would I be accurate in saying you don't think the GOR penalty payments will happen, or at least not nearly to the 75 mil each would owe? Which I'm skeptical of myself...which only sets the rest of us back further when that time comes...

I've offered up ideas like the 10th game idea to start ASAP and take that to ESPN for a new contract. Or the neutral site series for all ACC schools with Big 12 or other P4s to generate dollars that way....We're not hearing any of this kind of new paths of making money to stay in touch with P2...Thats not even out of the box thinking either...

Again, we can have a publicly diplomatic commish and doesn't just say off the wall dumb stuff like Sankey can tend to do, but with that speaking with actions (more of them) needs to happen....Sankey, with his bluster and loud voice, also pushes himself around on behalf of the SEC and so his schools are happy with him.....

I’m not sure what is meant here by ‘GoR penalty payments.’

The settlement established that exit fees are all-inclusive.
Media rights revert to departing schools.

(10-09-2026 06:09 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:11 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

Revenue is going up, haven’t you heard? Besides, if you believe all the yokels on this site the ACC will be gifted a half billion in exit fees around then.

Revenue isn't going up fast enough to stay competitive......Would I be accurate in saying you don't think the GOR penalty payments will happen, or at least not nearly to the 75 mil each would owe? Which I'm skeptical of myself...which only sets the rest of us back further when that time comes...

I've offered up ideas like the 10th game idea to start ASAP and take that to ESPN for a new contract. Or the neutral site series for all ACC schools with Big 12 or other P4s to generate dollars that way....We're not hearing any of this kind of new paths of making money to stay in touch with P2...Thats not even out of the box thinking either...

Again, we can have a publicly diplomatic commish and doesn't just say off the wall dumb stuff like Sankey can tend to do, but with that speaking with actions (more of them) needs to happen....Sankey, with his bluster and loud voice, also pushes himself around on behalf of the SEC and so his schools are happy with him.....

The more conference games that are played, the less the need for the ACC or Big 12 to generate as much revenue as the SEC or Big 10, because those schools can stay competitive with each other as long as their revenues are similar within each conference.

After what went on to get a settlement and derive the fixed prices to leave, you can bet your bottom dollar that those numbers will be upheld in any court and every penny will be paid, should a school chose to leave the ACC.

Phillips did pitch a 2v3 ACCCG game 2 years ago, I think that counts as "off the wall dumb stuff".

(10-08-2026 09:43 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:11 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

Revenue is going up, haven’t you heard? Besides, if you believe all the yokels on this site the ACC will be gifted a half billion in exit fees around then.

That’s where differ. I prefer to find a way to keep the ACC together so we won’t collect those exit fees. I want to see some out of the box thinking from our commish. I don’t think our commish is capable of that. He may be a good commish but he isn’t what we need right now.

We don’t differ. I never believed a mad rush to the exit. Follow the votes. Everyone sued two schools in retaliation, all but three voted for expansion, and all but four voted for the PCSA.

(10-09-2026 04:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  The problems with realignment are twofold.

1)timing
2)numbers

The timing for movement has never been right, primarily because of staggered contracts. There is never an opportunity to compare apples to apples situations with conferences.
When I first found this site the folks on the Big East expansion board (which is now the main realignment board were convinced that Maryland was poised to leave the ACC and join the Big East.

When the SEC discovered a loophole the NCAA had left in the rules about being able to hold a championship game if a conference had 12 members, the race was on. Nobody really wanted to get that large. The SEC and the Big Ten already had 10 members, as did the PAC after they had added Arizona and Arizona State. The ACC had only 8.
The race was on to get to 12 to be able to hold that lucrative Conference Championship game.
That one additional game where the Conference could keep all of the revenue was the impetus to start a stampede.

And where are we today....peeking over a cliff and looking at 20 or even more? Crazy. Teams are not selected on traditional conference criteria, and most don't fit the traditions of their new leagues, only money making marketable schools need to apply.
It's very sad.

To add to this it’s the TV bundle that is the killer. The NCAA had no reason to cap conferences until they lost the TV rights.

(10-09-2026 06:09 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 09:11 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 02:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 11:27 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2026 10:54 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  What has he done? That’s the point. We need someone who knows how to play from behind & win. Has he done that? No. What can he do? That’s for the commish to figure out. Come up with a plan & get everyone on board. It may be an impossible task but it’s what the ACC needs.

Um, he somehow landed expansion candidates during the lawsuit era that ended up boosting revenue by over $100m, no?

One of which already has a CFP at-large bid which is HUGE for any CFP negotiations.

Until 2033. What happens then? We are facing a drop in payouts to cover their full membership. What is our esteemed commish plan to avoid this? Shouldn’t we be striving to be better than #3? It’s the commish job to figure this out. The ACC used to be among the financial leaders in the 80’s, 90’s & early 2000’s.

Revenue is going up, haven’t you heard? Besides, if you believe all the yokels on this site the ACC will be gifted a half billion in exit fees around then.

Revenue isn't going up fast enough to stay competitive......Would I be accurate in saying you don't think the GOR penalty payments will happen, or at least not nearly to the 75 mil each would owe? Which I'm skeptical of myself...which only sets the rest of us back further when that time comes...

I've offered up ideas like the 10th game idea to start ASAP and take that to ESPN for a new contract. Or the neutral site series for all ACC schools with Big 12 or other P4s to generate dollars that way....We're not hearing any of this kind of new paths of making money to stay in touch with P2...Thats not even out of the box thinking either...

Again, we can have a publicly diplomatic commish and doesn't just say off the wall dumb stuff like Sankey can tend to do, but with that speaking with actions (more of them) needs to happen....Sankey, with his bluster and loud voice, also pushes himself around on behalf of the SEC and so his schools are happy with him.....

Exit penalties are codified by a lawsuit settlement. Those are ironclad lol