And those numbers are probably leaving out a lot of the cost of damages to our property, etc. on our bases in the region. They've been hiding that information from what I hear and read.

Not to mention it also leaves off the dead and injured Americans.

(09-15-2026 10:17 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

What’s the cost of one atomic bomb on innocent people in Israel or America?

Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

(09-15-2026 12:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Quote:Within a span of only five months, between March 18 and the end of August 2026, Iran’s authorities announced the executions of 29 people in connection with recent protests. These executions were unlawful and in violation of international human rights law. Several protesters executed were teenagers aged 18 and 19. Scores more remain at imminent risk of execution. Some executions have been carried out in public to further instill fear, marking a significant escalation.

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

(09-15-2026 10:17 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

I would note most of those 50K serviceman were already in the theatre. Furthermore, whether they are in theater or not, they would still have roughly the same cost as they would still be paid, fed, and clothed regardless of whether they are in the Middle East or sitting in a US base. Same with the naval vessels. The ships are being maintained, manned, supplied and operated---and the sailors are being paid----regardless of whether they are in the Middle East or in exercises of the Coast of Florida. There are of course additional cost to send more supplies and equipment to the area vs the cost of maintaining those troops in a domestic base---but basically the only difference is the shipping costs (and lets keep in mind we are always supplying troops all over the world, so we have an already existing and operating supply chain designed for just that purpose).

In an only slightly related note----I thought it was interesting that we apparently revealed that the US has space based weapons. This is has been somewhat of an open "secret" for years----and Im not really sure what the thinking is behind removing the veil. We did not announce the specifics, but did reveal the weapons have both defensive and offensive capabilities. Frankly, Im pretty sure China and Russia also have space weapons and the only reason I can think of to reveal we have weapons is to make China and Russia much less confident in any abilities they may think they have to neutralize much of the US recon and targeting abilities through a first strike on our space infrastructure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us-...ruby&ei=17

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Quote:Within a span of only five months, between March 18 and the end of August 2026, Iran’s authorities announced the executions of 29 people in connection with recent protests. These executions were unlawful and in violation of international human rights law. Several protesters executed were teenagers aged 18 and 19. Scores more remain at imminent risk of execution. Some executions have been carried out in public to further instill fear, marking a significant escalation.

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Quote:Within a span of only five months, between March 18 and the end of August 2026, Iran’s authorities announced the executions of 29 people in connection with recent protests. These executions were unlawful and in violation of international human rights law. Several protesters executed were teenagers aged 18 and 19. Scores more remain at imminent risk of execution. Some executions have been carried out in public to further instill fear, marking a significant escalation.

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

(09-15-2026 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Quote:Within a span of only five months, between March 18 and the end of August 2026, Iran’s authorities announced the executions of 29 people in connection with recent protests. These executions were unlawful and in violation of international human rights law. Several protesters executed were teenagers aged 18 and 19. Scores more remain at imminent risk of execution. Some executions have been carried out in public to further instill fear, marking a significant escalation.

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

Last I checked, the Iraqi PM was in Washington recently and commerce still flows between the two countries including our oil companies having a major role in their industry.

Afghanistan, yes, they are under Taliban rule. Stupidly, your hero Biden, cut and run in a very disorderly process which basically invited the Taliban in. With that being said, they are not a threat to the homeland, and the Taliban recently were asking the US to reopen their embassy.

Iran WAS bigger and stronger. You missed the key word. Not anymore. You also do not seem to understand the demographic of the Persian population. They are very westernized and most are pro US. Problem is that a militant minority has held the weapons and money for decades. That has changed. Money talks. You already knew that, but you are stretching to make a negative point.

Get ready for Cuba

(09-15-2026 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Quote:Within a span of only five months, between March 18 and the end of August 2026, Iran’s authorities announced the executions of 29 people in connection with recent protests. These executions were unlawful and in violation of international human rights law. Several protesters executed were teenagers aged 18 and 19. Scores more remain at imminent risk of execution. Some executions have been carried out in public to further instill fear, marking a significant escalation.

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear. We can accomplish the same thing in Iran----but millions would probably die if we pulled the trigger on completely eliminating the iranian infrastructure that allows it to continue as a functional nation state. Without a power grid and functioning infrastructure, the IRGC would become powerless to influence the outside world and the people of iran would likely become so desperate and unruly that the IRGC would lose control of the country---but millions would die from starvation, disease, and thirst during that process.

(09-15-2026 05:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Quote:Within a span of only five months, between March 18 and the end of August 2026, Iran’s authorities announced the executions of 29 people in connection with recent protests. These executions were unlawful and in violation of international human rights law. Several protesters executed were teenagers aged 18 and 19. Scores more remain at imminent risk of execution. Some executions have been carried out in public to further instill fear, marking a significant escalation.

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear.

In Iraq it was almost all Iran. Not so much Afghanistan. Iran and the Taliban didn't get along.

(09-15-2026 05:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 05:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear.

In Iraq it was almost all Iran. Not so much Afghanistan. Iran and the Taliban didn't get along.

Agree. I was referring to Iraq with respect to Iran's role.

(09-15-2026 05:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seems the plan is coming to fruition. Reports are the people have control of Tehran and IRCG bases are being overrun and their food stores being destroyed. The police have reportedly joined the revolution and Islamist signs and propaganda are being torn down and destroyed. It seems this has finally reached the tipping point.

Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Quote:Within a span of only five months, between March 18 and the end of August 2026, Iran’s authorities announced the executions of 29 people in connection with recent protests. These executions were unlawful and in violation of international human rights law. Several protesters executed were teenagers aged 18 and 19. Scores more remain at imminent risk of execution. Some executions have been carried out in public to further instill fear, marking a significant escalation.

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear. We can accomplish the same thing in Iran----but millions would probably die if we pulled the trigger on completely eliminating the iranian infrastructure that allows it to continue as a functional nation state. Without a power grid and functioning infrastructure, the IRGC would become powerless to influence the outside world and the people of iran would likely become so desperate and unruly that the IRGC would lose control of the country---but millions would die from starvation, disease, and thirst during that process.

Yeah...and you're just enforcing my point.

Going into Iran isn't like going into Wisconsin.

"To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear. We can accomplish the same thing in Iran----but millions would probably die if we pulled the trigger on completely eliminating the iranian infrastructure that allows it to continue as a functional nation state. Without a power grid and functioning infrastructure, the IRGC would become powerless to influence the outside world and the people of iran would likely become so desperate and unruly that the IRGC would lose control of the country---but millions would die from starvation, disease, and thirst during that process." Attackcoog

Exactly what I've been saying all along. The Irgc knows this and that's why it gives them a little bit of leverage. If we sent them to the Stone Age there would be nationwide starvation but the Irgc would still man the machines that kill people and nothing would really change. The population needs armaments, plain and simple. If that becomes a one on one scenario the want of freedom would overrule the regime. Freedom is always the strongest want of people, and the USA was a good example during the Revolutionary War. It happened in France too.

Trump knows this and would hate to completely annihilate the country by destroying the infrastructure because the repercussions would not help the peaceloving Persians even after changing the government.

(09-16-2026 09:56 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  "To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear. We can accomplish the same thing in Iran----but millions would probably die if we pulled the trigger on completely eliminating the iranian infrastructure that allows it to continue as a functional nation state. Without a power grid and functioning infrastructure, the IRGC would become powerless to influence the outside world and the people of iran would likely become so desperate and unruly that the IRGC would lose control of the country---but millions would die from starvation, disease, and thirst during that process." Attackcoog

Exactly what I've been saying all along. The Irgc knows this and that's why it gives them a little bit of leverage. If we sent them to the Stone Age there would be nationwide starvation but the Irgc would still man the machines that kill people and nothing would really change. The population needs armaments, plain and simple. If that becomes a one on one scenario the want of freedom would overrule the regime. Freedom is always the strongest want of people, and the USA was a good example during the Revolutionary War. It happened in France too.

Trump knows this and would hate to completely annihilate the country by destroying the infrastructure because the repercussions would not help the peaceloving Persians even after changing the government.

If we put them in the stone age then things would get really bad. No doubt the leaders lives would be relatively unchanged, but the military soldiers and the police would not be getting paid. They are already being targeted and already making videos of not being paid and starving the same as the "civilians". And let me be frank, I dont give 2 ***** about the weak ass Persians who allow IRGC to do what they do compared to Americans who are suffering from economic woes. F them, let them die fighting against IRGC or American bombs.

(09-17-2026 12:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Im pretty sure that was widely reported when it actually happened. That said, the US military has been slow to embrace the lessons coming out of Ukraine. Its currently simply cheaper to launch low cost drone munitions than it is to intercept those munitions. The real answer to intercepting drones is not cheaper missiles or lasers. Sure, those options can be part of a layered system----but they cannot do it alone. For sheer volume and reliability in all weather conditions----interceptor AI drones (preferably armed reusable drones) are the only viable interceptor option that can shift the economic advantage from the attacker to the defender. Highly capable high end missile interceptors have their place---but they cant be the weapon of choice in an economic war of attrition where swarms of cheap long range one way suicide drones are a big part of the equation.

Ballistic missiles are another issue. They are also expensive for the attacker to produce---so using expensive interceptors against incoming ballistic missiles is not an obvious economic loss for the defender in every interaction (unless it takes 2 or 3 interceptors for every incoming missile). That said, if your opponent has deep magazines of long range ballistic missiles----then your magazines of inceptor missiles must be even deeper----and ours are not. Thats an inexcusable strategic error of procurement that should have been simple to forsee and avoid. Furthermore, I hope we have a crap load of observers over in Ukraine because the lessons being learned there will be invaluable for not only future wars---but in the current procurement process so we will have exactly what we need in the right quantities when and if a future war arises.

(09-16-2026 06:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 05:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Okay, post a link to a report.

Meanwhile...

Iran: Ongoing Unlawful Execution Campaign Against Protesters

Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear. We can accomplish the same thing in Iran----but millions would probably die if we pulled the trigger on completely eliminating the iranian infrastructure that allows it to continue as a functional nation state. Without a power grid and functioning infrastructure, the IRGC would become powerless to influence the outside world and the people of iran would likely become so desperate and unruly that the IRGC would lose control of the country---but millions would die from starvation, disease, and thirst during that process.

Yeah...and you're just enforcing my point.

Going into Iran isn't like going into Wisconsin.

Correct. It is more like going into Dearborn or Minneapolis.

(09-17-2026 11:49 PM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  

(09-16-2026 06:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 05:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  Start brushing up on your Cuban Communist regime knowledge and defense. They are next as Iran is grinding down, its only a short matter of time. Money is money, they cannot last forever........

How's Iraq and Afghanistan...they still "lasting?"

Iran is bigger and stronger than both. I sure as hell hope we're not taking them as lightly as you seem to be.

To be fair---Iraqi and Afghan regime change was accomplished pretty quickly by the military. The nation building and civil strife that followed is what we really had little interest in dealing with in a forever war scenario. I'd also add that Iran was a major reason why that civil strife became such a major pain the rear. We can accomplish the same thing in Iran----but millions would probably die if we pulled the trigger on completely eliminating the iranian infrastructure that allows it to continue as a functional nation state. Without a power grid and functioning infrastructure, the IRGC would become powerless to influence the outside world and the people of iran would likely become so desperate and unruly that the IRGC would lose control of the country---but millions would die from starvation, disease, and thirst during that process.

Yeah...and you're just enforcing my point.

Going into Iran isn't like going into Wisconsin.

Correct. It is more like going into Dearborn or Minneapolis.

Not sure if you actually live in Anchorage, AK or not, but their violent crime rate is nearly three times the national average while Minneapolis is slightly above the national average. Dearborn has low crime rate.

And Alaska is one of the worst states for drug usage as well.

(09-16-2026 06:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

+1 on the movie reference.

"C'mon, it's Iran! We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again. We're not going to Moscow. It's Iran . It's like going into Wisconsin."

(I slighted edited)