(07-13-2026 11:19 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:17 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 07:42 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:02 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  MAGA still hasn’t figured out land doesn’t vote, news at 11.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. The PEOPLE on that land vote. Why should their votes be any less important than someone else's' vote?

Bartlett posted a map. Land doesn’t vote. The brain trust around here somehow thinks that because there is more red area on a map it means something. It doesn’t because land doesn’t vote.

I posted a map which shows the same thing, county election results, but changes their size based on how many people live there. Because people vote, not land.

The dumbest thing I’ve read is you guys thinking that the fact that counties in Wyoming or Texas with 167 people are red on a map means something.

You're right. Land doesn't vote, but landowners do. That is, the people who own that land. And where do they typically live? On land.

67 people live in Loving County, TX. It’s the same size on the map as Dallas county with 2.6M people.

That makes Bartletts map pretty much irrelevant. Land doesn’t vote. Cows don’t vote. If you can’t figure out why that makes Bartletts map irrelevant you are fully in a cult or monumentally stupid.

But who owns the land, sir? Who works it? Who lives on it? People who are landowners do. Even those who live in apartment complexes ultimately live on the land in which said complexes are built upon.

The maps provided by Bartlett are valid, sir. It's proof that the Electoral College is the best mechanism to select a world leader ever devised.

(07-13-2026 10:55 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 10:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:02 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  MAGA still hasn’t figured out land doesn’t vote, news at 11.

MAGA still can’t say Trump lost in 2020 as well.

Because it was stolen by cheating

Im always impressed with folks who parrot that blindly without objective proof of any sort whatsoever. Oh —— 63-0.

And thank you for a spot on demonstration of my comment about MAGA and that cult.

I have seen enough proof and do not care if you agree nor am i required to show it to you

I find the map TBF posted interesting — but lacking some context. But many maps of this type lack a bit of context. Not a big deal.

My takeaway from the map is that conservatives are found basically everywhere in the U.S., whereas progressives are much more concentrated.

(07-13-2026 11:25 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:19 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:17 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 07:42 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:02 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  MAGA still hasn’t figured out land doesn’t vote, news at 11.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. The PEOPLE on that land vote. Why should their votes be any less important than someone else's' vote?

Bartlett posted a map. Land doesn’t vote. The brain trust around here somehow thinks that because there is more red area on a map it means something. It doesn’t because land doesn’t vote.

I posted a map which shows the same thing, county election results, but changes their size based on how many people live there. Because people vote, not land.

The dumbest thing I’ve read is you guys thinking that the fact that counties in Wyoming or Texas with 167 people are red on a map means something.

You're right. Land doesn't vote, but landowners do. That is, the people who own that land. And where do they typically live? On land.

67 people live in Loving County, TX. It’s the same size on the map as Dallas county with 2.6M people.

That makes Bartletts map pretty much irrelevant. Land doesn’t vote. Cows don’t vote. If you can’t figure out why that makes Bartletts map irrelevant you are fully in a cult or monumentally stupid.

So, why do those 67 people not have the same voting rights as the 2.6M people in Dallas? Why should their vote be any less? THAT Is the entire point. The people on that land do vote. This whole "Land doesn't vote" nonsense is asinine and demonstrates critical thinking skills. It also shows that those that created the EC knew that one day the country would be full of dumbasses.

(07-13-2026 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:25 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:19 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:17 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 07:42 AM)VA49er Wrote:  This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. The PEOPLE on that land vote. Why should their votes be any less important than someone else's' vote?

Bartlett posted a map. Land doesn’t vote. The brain trust around here somehow thinks that because there is more red area on a map it means something. It doesn’t because land doesn’t vote.

I posted a map which shows the same thing, county election results, but changes their size based on how many people live there. Because people vote, not land.

The dumbest thing I’ve read is you guys thinking that the fact that counties in Wyoming or Texas with 167 people are red on a map means something.

You're right. Land doesn't vote, but landowners do. That is, the people who own that land. And where do they typically live? On land.

67 people live in Loving County, TX. It’s the same size on the map as Dallas county with 2.6M people.

That makes Bartletts map pretty much irrelevant. Land doesn’t vote. Cows don’t vote. If you can’t figure out why that makes Bartletts map irrelevant you are fully in a cult or monumentally stupid.

So, why do those 67 people not have the same voting rights as the 2.6M people in Dallas? Why should their vote be any less? THAT Is the entire point. The people on that land do vote. This whole "Land doesn't vote" nonsense is asinine and demonstrates critical thinking skills. It also shows that those that created the EC knew that one day the country would be full of dumbasses.

This, sadly. Again, the land must be lived on and worked by people, preferably land owners.

(07-13-2026 12:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I find the map TBF posted interesting — but lacking some context. But many maps of this type lack a bit of context. Not a big deal.

My takeaway from the map is that conservatives are found basically everywhere in the U.S., whereas progressives are much more concentrated.

it's urban vs. rural all day long ... the founders nailed that one!!!

hence, the brilliance behind the electoral college...

and we're dangerously close to losing all the blood, sweat, and tears that got us to this point...

My take is that U or Elvis, when he notes "Land doesn't vote," means the map distorts the overall power, influence and widespreadness of conservative voters. I agree with that.

But his "land doesn't vote" point is a bit awkwardly made.

JMO

(07-13-2026 12:18 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My take is that U or Elvis, when he notes "Land doesn't vote," means the map distorts the overall power, influence and widespreadness of conservative voters. I agree with that.

But his "land doesn't vote" point is a bit awkwardly made.

JMO

It's nothing more than an ill-conceived talking point. It makes no logical sense, imo.

(07-13-2026 12:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 12:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I find the map TBF posted interesting — but lacking some context. But many maps of this type lack a bit of context. Not a big deal.

My takeaway from the map is that conservatives are found basically everywhere in the U.S., whereas progressives are much more concentrated.

it's urban vs. rural all day long ... the founders nailed that one!!!

hence, the brilliance behind the electoral college...

and we're dangerously close to losing all the blood, sweat, and tears that got us to this point...

This. The Electoral College is a necessary check and balance of population power vs. individual States power. I'm thankful we still have it, too.

Bill: Fair point. That said, check my response to him regarding the Electoral College as well as what stink and myself have said. The Founders knew a true democracy would lead to mob rule, hence the Electoral College mechanism and giving us a representative federal republic with representation in government while keeping the "mob rule" aspect in check.

(07-13-2026 10:55 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 10:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:02 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  MAGA still hasn’t figured out land doesn’t vote, news at 11.

MAGA still can’t say Trump lost in 2020 as well.

Because it was stolen by cheating

Im always impressed with folks who parrot that blindly without objective proof of any sort whatsoever. Oh —— 63-0.

And thank you for a spot on demonstration of my comment about MAGA and that cult.

*Sigh*

Tanq, Boo boo,

Why are you still arguing the election that gave you Sloe and the Ho 6 years ago?

You got your incompetent sock puppet for four years, the experiment with Max Headroom failed.

Spectacularly.

Times they are a-change-n.

I think the catch phrase is Moveon.bomb

(07-13-2026 12:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 10:55 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 10:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:02 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  MAGA still hasn’t figured out land doesn’t vote, news at 11.

MAGA still can’t say Trump lost in 2020 as well.

Because it was stolen by cheating

Im always impressed with folks who parrot that blindly without objective proof of any sort whatsoever. Oh —— 63-0.

And thank you for a spot on demonstration of my comment about MAGA and that cult.

*Sigh*

Tanq, Boo boo,

Why are you still arguing the election that gave you Sloe and the Ho 6 years ago?

You got your incompetent sock puppet for four years, the experiment with Max Headroom failed.

Spectacularly.

Times they are a-change-n.

I think the catch phrase is Moveon.bomb

(07-13-2026 12:21 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 12:18 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My take is that U or Elvis, when he notes "Land doesn't vote," means the map distorts the overall power, influence and widespreadness of conservative voters. I agree with that.

But his "land doesn't vote" point is a bit awkwardly made.

JMO

It's nothing more than an ill-conceived talking point. It makes no logical sense, imo.

Makes sense to me but others might be puzzled too.

(07-13-2026 12:22 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 12:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 12:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I find the map TBF posted interesting — but lacking some context. But many maps of this type lack a bit of context. Not a big deal.

My takeaway from the map is that conservatives are found basically everywhere in the U.S., whereas progressives are much more concentrated.

it's urban vs. rural all day long ... the founders nailed that one!!!

hence, the brilliance behind the electoral college...

and we're dangerously close to losing all the blood, sweat, and tears that got us to this point...

This. The Electoral College is a necessary check and balance of population power vs. individual States power. I'm thankful we still have it, too.

Bill: Fair point. That said, check my response to him regarding the Electoral College as well as what stink and myself have said. [u]The Founders knew a true democracy would lead to mob rule, hence the Electoral College mechanism and giving us a representative federal republic with representation in government while keeping the "mob rule" aspect in check.[/u]

Yes, indeed. Well put.

(07-13-2026 12:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 10:55 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 10:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-10-2026 09:02 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  MAGA still hasn’t figured out land doesn’t vote, news at 11.

MAGA still can’t say Trump lost in 2020 as well.

Because it was stolen by cheating

Im always impressed with folks who parrot that blindly without objective proof of any sort whatsoever. Oh —— 63-0.

And thank you for a spot on demonstration of my comment about MAGA and that cult.

I have seen enough proof and do not care if you agree nor am i required to show it to you

You obviously are not part of the mindless cult that in complete contradiction to the evidence proclaims 2020 the most secure election ever.

Of course Tang will never admit he's wrong about the slightest point, but that is the sign of a cult.

(07-13-2026 12:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 12:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I find the map TBF posted interesting — but lacking some context. But many maps of this type lack a bit of context. Not a big deal.

My takeaway from the map is that conservatives are found basically everywhere in the U.S., whereas progressives are much more concentrated.

it's urban vs. rural all day long ... the founders nailed that one!!!

hence, the brilliance behind the electoral college...

and we're dangerously close to losing all the blood, sweat, and tears that got us to this point...

+2

(07-13-2026 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:25 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:19 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 11:17 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 07:42 AM)VA49er Wrote:  This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. The PEOPLE on that land vote. Why should their votes be any less important than someone else's' vote?

Bartlett posted a map. Land doesn’t vote. The brain trust around here somehow thinks that because there is more red area on a map it means something. It doesn’t because land doesn’t vote.

I posted a map which shows the same thing, county election results, but changes their size based on how many people live there. Because people vote, not land.

The dumbest thing I’ve read is you guys thinking that the fact that counties in Wyoming or Texas with 167 people are red on a map means something.

You're right. Land doesn't vote, but landowners do. That is, the people who own that land. And where do they typically live? On land.

67 people live in Loving County, TX. It’s the same size on the map as Dallas county with 2.6M people.

That makes Bartletts map pretty much irrelevant. Land doesn’t vote. Cows don’t vote. If you can’t figure out why that makes Bartletts map irrelevant you are fully in a cult or monumentally stupid.

So, why do those 67 people not have the same voting rights as the 2.6M people in Dallas? Why should their vote be any less? THAT Is the entire point. The people on that land do vote. This whole "Land doesn't vote" nonsense is asinine and demonstrates critical thinking skills. It also shows that those that created the EC knew that one day the country would be full of dumbasses.

They do have the same voting rights, but bartletts map shows their vote with 300k times more weight than 67 votes from Dallas county because they are the same size on the map. Bartletts map is irrelevant because it isn’t population normalized. It doesn’t show some supermajority of conservatives, it shows that their is a lot of sparsely populated land where those counties are populated by a few conservatives.

Mob rule vs. individual States' power, Elvis. The Electoral College is a check and balance to keep both in check, as it should be. Population still matters and is weighted, but so is the power of each individual State in the Union. That's why it's the population of each State choosing its Electors to send to Washington and select the Presidential ticket.

(07-13-2026 12:42 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 12:21 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-13-2026 12:18 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My take is that U or Elvis, when he notes "Land doesn't vote," means the map distorts the overall power, influence and widespreadness of conservative voters. I agree with that.

But his "land doesn't vote" point is a bit awkwardly made.

JMO

It's nothing more than an ill-conceived talking point. It makes no logical sense, imo.

Makes sense to me but others might be puzzled too.

What makes sense? That some peoples' votes should count more than other people's votes?

(07-13-2026 01:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Mob rule vs. individual States' power, Elvis. The Electoral College is a check and balance to keep both in check, as it should be. Population still matters and is weighted, but so is the power of each individual State in the Union. That's why it's the population of each State choosing its Electors to send to Washington and select the Presidential ticket.

The map shows counties, not states. It’s irrelevant.