Nothing assures that trump lost the war more than two threads from Umabla telling us trump "won" the war.

You can't make this up.

(06-16-2026 07:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Nothing assures that trump lost the war more than two threads from Umabla telling us trump "won" the war.

You can't make this up.

More proof you dont have a 401K. Otherwise you would be thrilled this morning.

(06-16-2026 07:25 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-16-2026 07:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Nothing assures that trump lost the war more than two threads from Umabla telling us trump "won" the war.

You can't make this up.

More proof you dont have a 401K. Otherwise you would be thrilled this morning.

More proof you don't have a completely functioning brain.

Should have handed it back and told him the gift he wanted was support, but guessed it must have been sold out in Germany when he wanted it.

What kind of moron would say we lost this war?

I guess I answered my own question.

(06-16-2026 12:06 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  What kind of moron would say we lost this war?

Kindly explain what we won?

No deal on the strait.
Billions wasted.
Billions going to Iran.
13 Americans dead.
Countless Americans injured.
No deal on nuke prevention.
No uranium recovered.
Gas prices elevated for nearly 4 months now.
Inflation spiked.

(06-16-2026 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2026 12:06 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  What kind of moron would say we lost this war?

Kindly explain what we won?

No deal on the strait.
Billions wasted.
Billions going to Iran.
13 Americans dead.
Countless Americans injured.
No deal on nuke prevention.
No uranium recovered.
Gas prices elevated for nearly 4 months now.
Inflation spiked.

Excellent. So apparently, you alone have managed to covertly obtain the complete contents of the official MOU. Please----show us the complete official document that you've based the above post on (which, assuming you have MOU, means the first bullet point on your list above would have to be demonstrably false).

Only intelligent people realize the country that no longer has a military was the winner of a war. Duh.

(06-16-2026 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2026 12:06 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  What kind of moron would say we lost this war?

Kindly explain what we won?

No deal on the strait.
Billions wasted.
Billions going to Iran.
13 Americans dead.
Countless Americans injured.
No deal on nuke prevention.
No uranium recovered.
Gas prices elevated for nearly 4 months now.
Inflation spiked.

I don’t think you know what countless means. Could you count to a million,’even a billion? Are you saying the US had countless injured, if so, who is unable to count them?

(06-16-2026 04:34 PM)banker Wrote:  

(06-16-2026 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2026 12:06 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  What kind of moron would say we lost this war?

Kindly explain what we won?

No deal on the strait.
Billions wasted.
Billions going to Iran.
13 Americans dead.
Countless Americans injured.
No deal on nuke prevention.
No uranium recovered.
Gas prices elevated for nearly 4 months now.
Inflation spiked.

I don’t think you know what countless means. Could you count to a million,’even a billion? Are you saying the US had countless injured, if so, who is unable to count them?

I meant that we probably won't ever get an actual number from this current military apparatus...and even then...probably can't trust it.

Based on what they're saying, it's currently somewhere around 400.

Apologies for any confusion. Hope that clears it up.

(06-16-2026 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-16-2026 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2026 12:06 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  What kind of moron would say we lost this war?

Kindly explain what we won?

No deal on the strait.
Billions wasted.
Billions going to Iran.
13 Americans dead.
Countless Americans injured.
No deal on nuke prevention.
No uranium recovered.
Gas prices elevated for nearly 4 months now.
Inflation spiked.

Excellent. So apparently, you alone have managed to covertly obtain the complete contents of the official MOU. Please----show us the complete official document that you've based the above post on (which, assuming you have MOU, means the first bullet point on your list above would have to be demonstrably false).

There's plenty of leaks out there. Most say nearly the same thing.

READ: Leaked Alleged Text of Trump-Iran Deal

(06-16-2026 03:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Only intelligent people realize the country that no longer has a military was the winner of a war. Duh.

Not seeing a list of what we won.

(06-16-2026 12:06 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  What kind of moron would say we lost this war?

I guess I answered my own question.

If a war ends with a negotiated settlement then no one outright "won" the war. You only outright win a war if your opponent unconditionally surrenders. So I would say no one won the war, and considering the overall disparity in military might between us and Iran the fact that we could not make them unconditionally surrender is at the very least a bad look. What the final deal ends up looking like determines who got the better end of things, but there's no way the deal is going to be so lopsided that it could be viewed as a total victory for the US. I doubt the terms of the deal end up being significantly better than what was reportedly on the table per the Omar negotiator before the war started, but we'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong and the terms end up being far better than what could have been had before the war.

(06-17-2026 08:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If a war ends with a negotiated settlement then no one outright "won" the war. You only outright win a war if your opponent unconditionally surrenders. So I would say no one won the war, and considering the overall disparity in military might between us and Iran the fact that we could not make them unconditionally surrender is at the very least a bad look. What the final deal ends up looking like determines who got the better end of things, but there's no way the deal is going to be so lopsided that it could be viewed as a total victory for the US. I doubt the terms of the deal end up being significantly better than what was reportedly on the table per the Omar negotiator before the war started, but we'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong and the terms end up being far better than what could have been had before the war.

The only way that the US could "win" the war would have required boots on the ground, which was never on the table.

(06-17-2026 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-17-2026 08:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If a war ends with a negotiated settlement then no one outright "won" the war. You only outright win a war if your opponent unconditionally surrenders. So I would say no one won the war, and considering the overall disparity in military might between us and Iran the fact that we could not make them unconditionally surrender is at the very least a bad look. What the final deal ends up looking like determines who got the better end of things, but there's no way the deal is going to be so lopsided that it could be viewed as a total victory for the US. I doubt the terms of the deal end up being significantly better than what was reportedly on the table per the Omar negotiator before the war started, but we'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong and the terms end up being far better than what could have been had before the war.

The only way that the US could "win" the war would have required boots on the ground, which was never on the table.

I agree. It was always obvious we were never going to be able to conventionally bomb them to complete surrender. I guess the hope was the regime was so weak and the popular sentiment to overthrow them on the ground was so strong that just bombing and killing their top leadership would be enough of a push to collapse the house of cards. As soon as it became clear that wasn't happening (which was very early into this thing) it was obvious it was going to eventually end in negotiated settlement. The main question at this point is will we end up with terms better than what were on the table before the war? I suspect no, but we'll see.

(06-17-2026 09:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I agree. It was always obvious we were never going to be able to conventionally bomb them to complete surrender. I guess the hope was the regime was so weak and the popular sentiment to overthrow them on the ground was so strong that just bombing and killing their top leadership would be enough of a push to collapse the house of cards. As soon as it became clear that wasn't happening (which was very early into this thing) it was obvious it was going to eventually end in negotiated settlement. The main question at this point is will we end up with terms better than what were on the table before the war? I suspect no, but we'll see.

And thats the thing...Trump was smart enough to hit the brakes when the best case Plan A scenario wasnt working. When the popular uprising didn't happen, Trump didn't try to force the issue and thus avoid a much larger post war Iraq type scenario.

So now you will have a deal with a much weakened Iran regime that is going to now have to go govern in relative peace a decimated, angry population. Can they do that long term without a popular uprising?

The Iranian Guard that is apparently running the country has a true lifeline now. They can be post WW2 Japan and get the carrot if they choose to do so or they can continue to engage in terroristic behavior and get the stick if that is the way its going to be.

Its a very delicate tight rope to walk because you can go fully stick because the markets will panic and the American people will, justifiably, be against elevating the conflict. But you can't go full carrot like Obama tried to do because then you are just rewarding and encouraging more bad behavior.

Its not an easy tightrope to walk and Trump has done about a good a job walking it as you can expect

The end game was never a Regime change the goal was that Iran would not have nukes. If the treacherous Regime reneges on their agreement that they will stop producing one then the goal was met. But, everyone knows with whom we're dealing with here and the Regime has never lived up to their word. If they don't then I'm sure Trump will destroy their infrastructure to make a point. If the Regime lives up to their end they will not be completely destroyed into the Flintstones Age.

You Trump haters are like parents who get mad at their kids for getting As, Bs and Cs in their report cards, you will abuse your kids for not getting straight As, you'll never be satisfied with anything that Trump does either. I wonder if in real life you're one of those parents?

(06-17-2026 09:25 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  The end game was never a Regime change the goal was that Iran would not have nukes. If the treacherous Regime reneges on their agreement that they will stop producing one then the goal was met. But, everyone knows with whom we're dealing with here and the Regime has never lived up to their word. If they don't then I'm sure Trump will destroy their infrastructure to make a point. If the Regime lives up to their end they will not be completely destroyed into the Flintstones Age.

You Trump haters are like parents who get mad at their kids for getting As, Bs and Cs in their report cards, you will abuse your kids for not getting straight As, you'll never be satisfied with anything that Trump does either. I wonder if in real life you're one of those parents?

They have such a high bar because, ya know, Biden was so amazing