(03-30-2026 04:57 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: A few people I know have been angry since about 12:00am EST on November 9, 2016. Not many, but a few. The events of that day were, to them, similar to what November 22, 1963 or September 11, 2001 were to other people.
Nah.. that was one of the greatest birthday presents of my life :)
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Channel 14 says it obtained an exchange among Iranian leaders:
President Pezeshkian: “I want to be involved in the negotiations with the U.S. Without a quick deal, our entire economy will collapse in 3 weeks.”
IRGC chief Vahidi: “That’s exactly why you can’t be involved. You’ll give up everything for a deal.”
After the call ended, the report says the Iranian president told his companions he feels like a ‘hostage’, “I’m unable to resign, I cannot make my own decisions, all I can do is read from a script I’m given”
Channel 14 concludes its report by saying that the IRGC is effectively running the country now.
From Trump...https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116323481956698353
Quote:All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT
NATO is finished and his suggestion will fall on deaf ears because they are all weak.
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2026 08:08 AM by hburg.)
(03-27-2026 09:09 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: You can argue that this is the Iranian's intentionally putting military targets inside civilian areas (and that's obviously true), and obviously Israel's conduct in Gaza shows they are fine with killing civilians to get those military targets.
And you either just lied in the beginning of your statement.. or you lied at the end of the statement.
1) Iran putting military targets... Which we know is true (and you adit).
2) Israel's conduct in Gaza... WHICH IS THE EXACDT F"ING SAME AS WHAT IRAN HAS DONE. You think Israel _wants_ to take out a hospital or school?
BULLS#!T.... and any of you who think otherwise, really needs a history lesson on what these terrorists organizations have said and done in the past.
They put their equipment in these areas. . and then scream "Nyah, nyah, this is a hospital, it's a protected crisis area you can't shoot us!"
Palestinians, no wait, ARABS who don't play nice with other ARABS (lets' not forget the Palestinian Arabs weren't wanted by ANY COUNTRY and were literally DUMPED on Israel's doorstep to keep them busy.)
They play just as f'ing dirty as anyone else, if not moreso.. and part of that dirt bag process is HUMAN SHIELDING For their military targets... Killing their own people to claim it's Israel doing the killing and so much more.
Quote: However, the consequence of that is you are going to kill a lot of civilians and not exactly make them happy for your liberating 2,000lb bombs.
Go again and find the occasional Iranian citizen who can get out a message via X and what they say about the bombing runs...
Youd' be surprised that this statement of yours is completely off (as much as you might think otherwise).
The US is currently putting personnel and troops in hotels in the Gulf Arab Countries, and Iran has struck those hotels. Does that mean we were trying to use human shields to protect military targets? Or is Iran the baddie for striking hotels regardless of them having intelligence that US assets were there?
(03-31-2026 09:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: The US is currently putting personnel and troops in hotels in the Gulf Arab Countries, and Iran has struck those hotels. Does that mean we were trying to use human shields to protect military targets? Or is Iran the baddie for striking hotels regardless of them having intelligence that US assets were there?
Just my opinion: neither.
Quartering the troops in those hotels (or wherever) is a legitimate/lawful act of war by the US and its Arab allies, and the attempts by Iran to harm/kill those troops by striking those hotels is, too.
(03-31-2026 08:08 AM)hburg Wrote: From Trump...https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116323481956698353
Quote:All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT
NATO is finished and his suggestion will fall on deaf ears because they are all weak.
If Iran is decimated and the hard part is done then why can't we get the strait open? He also keeps talking about "buying oil from the US" but it's a global market and the country of the US doesn't own the oil the companies who own the oil rights do. Unless he is seriously considering nationalizing all US oil even if they did "buy from the U.S" that's just further enriching some US Oil companies not the country.
(03-31-2026 08:08 AM)hburg Wrote: From Trump...https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116323481956698353
Quote:All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT
NATO is finished and his suggestion will fall on deaf ears because they are all weak.
If Iran is decimated and the hard part is done then why can't we get the strait open? He also keeps talking about "buying oil from the US" but it's a global market and the country of the US doesn't own the oil the companies who own the oil rights do. Unless he is seriously considering nationalizing all US oil even if they did "buy from the U.S" that's just further enriching some US Oil companies not the country.
Simple answer to that, and it's an answer you can derive from science, or economics when it comes to the law of diminishing returns. For each incremental reduction in an undesirable item - say a missle/mine/drone hitting a ship trying to cross the straight - it takes more and more resources. You can have 99 ships transit that straight without any issue. But if that 100th ship gets hit, then odds are exceedingly high that those other 99 ships won't take the risk of being a part of the 1%.
The U.S. majorily reduced Iran's ability to shoot drones, missiles, etc. However, the odds of a ship getting hit is still too high. Just like with pollution, you need ever increasingly amounts of dilutants to reduce residuals to lower and lower levels.
(03-31-2026 08:08 AM)hburg Wrote: From Trump...https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116323481956698353
Quote:All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT
NATO is finished and his suggestion will fall on deaf ears because they are all weak.
If Iran is decimated and the hard part is done then why can't we get the strait open? He also keeps talking about "buying oil from the US" but it's a global market and the country of the US doesn't own the oil the companies who own the oil rights do. Unless he is seriously considering nationalizing all US oil even if they did "buy from the U.S" that's just further enriching some US Oil companies not the country.
Simple answer to that, and it's an answer you can derive from science, or economics when it comes to the law of diminishing returns. For each incremental reduction in an undesirable item - say a missle/mine/drone hitting a ship trying to cross the straight - it takes more and more resources. You can have 99 ships transit that straight without any issue. But if that 100th ship gets hit, then odds are exceedingly high that those other 99 ships won't take the risk of being a part of the 1%.
The U.S. majorily reduced Iran's ability to shoot drones, missiles, etc. However, the odds of a ship getting hit is still too high. Just like with pollution, you need ever increasingly amounts of dilutants to reduce residuals to lower and lower levels.
You are obviously correct, and I already knew that answer, which means Trump is lying that the hard part is done, because what you are describing is actually the hard part. Dropping bombs and blowing up stuff is the easy part.
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2026 10:46 AM by b0ndsj0ns.)
(03-31-2026 08:08 AM)hburg Wrote: From Trump...https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116323481956698353
Quote:All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT
NATO is finished and his suggestion will fall on deaf ears because they are all weak.
If Iran is decimated and the hard part is done then why can't we get the strait open? He also keeps talking about "buying oil from the US" but it's a global market and the country of the US doesn't own the oil the companies who own the oil rights do. Unless he is seriously considering nationalizing all US oil even if they did "buy from the U.S" that's just further enriching some US Oil companies not the country.
Simple answer to that, and it's an answer you can derive from science, or economics when it comes to the law of diminishing returns. For each incremental reduction in an undesirable item - say a missle/mine/drone hitting a ship trying to cross the straight - it takes more and more resources. You can have 99 ships transit that straight without any issue. But if that 100th ship gets hit, then odds are exceedingly high that those other 99 ships won't take the risk of being a part of the 1%.
The U.S. majorily reduced Iran's ability to shoot drones, missiles, etc. However, the odds of a ship getting hit is still too high. Just like with pollution, you need ever increasingly amounts of dilutants to reduce residuals to lower and lower levels.
Our job is twofold: Eliminate the ability of the Iranians to produce a nuke & Regime Change (meaning change in relationship from hostile to amicable).
Once those two are accomplished every nation that depends upon oil from that region and needs the straits of Hormuz open needs to contribute to a coalition force that puts enforcement troops into Iran and collectively patrols the straits. Then the nations of the region who trade in oil and gas need sign a treaty to that effect and that legal action will give teeth to the coalition of forces which keep it open for trade.
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2026 10:48 AM by JRsec.)
(03-31-2026 08:08 AM)hburg Wrote: From Trump...https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116323481956698353
Quote:All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT
NATO is finished and his suggestion will fall on deaf ears because they are all weak.
If Iran is decimated and the hard part is done then why can't we get the strait open? He also keeps talking about "buying oil from the US" but it's a global market and the country of the US doesn't own the oil the companies who own the oil rights do. Unless he is seriously considering nationalizing all US oil even if they did "buy from the U.S" that's just further enriching some US Oil companies not the country.
Simple answer to that, and it's an answer you can derive from science, or economics when it comes to the law of diminishing returns. For each incremental reduction in an undesirable item - say a missle/mine/drone hitting a ship trying to cross the straight - it takes more and more resources. You can have 99 ships transit that straight without any issue. But if that 100th ship gets hit, then odds are exceedingly high that those other 99 ships won't take the risk of being a part of the 1%.
The U.S. majorily reduced Iran's ability to shoot drones, missiles, etc. However, the odds of a ship getting hit is still too high. Just like with pollution, you need ever increasingly amounts of dilutants to reduce residuals to lower and lower levels.
Then Trump is lying that the hard part is done, because what you are describing is actually the hard part. Dropping bombs and blowing up stuff is the easy part.
Both views are true though. The hard part is over as it pertains to dismantling the ability of Iran to fight militarily. That's objectively true. However, it takes very little to actually close the strait given the technology today. You have more than one issue going on here.
(03-31-2026 09:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: The US is currently putting personnel and troops in hotels in the Gulf Arab Countries, and Iran has struck those hotels. Does that mean we were trying to use human shields to protect military targets? Or is Iran the baddie for striking hotels regardless of them having intelligence that US assets were there?
No you idiot... because our troops aren't moving in to Iran (will they? Dunno...)
Israels' been shooting infrastructure targets and military targets
US has been shooting at military targets and anything considered a regime headquarter targets.
Iran's shooting at anything, including but not limited to population centers and low-usage military targets.
(03-31-2026 09:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: The US is currently putting personnel and troops in hotels in the Gulf Arab Countries, and Iran has struck those hotels. Does that mean we were trying to use human shields to protect military targets? Or is Iran the baddie for striking hotels regardless of them having intelligence that US assets were there?
No you idiot... because our troops aren't moving in to Iran (will they? Dunno...)
Israels' been shooting infrastructure targets and military targets
US has been shooting at military targets and anything considered a regime headquarter targets.
Iran's shooting at anything, including but not limited to population centers and low-usage military targets.
Now do you see the difference?
Iran has no other choice but to do that. We would too if our existence was at risk.
(03-31-2026 09:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: The US is currently putting personnel and troops in hotels in the Gulf Arab Countries, and Iran has struck those hotels. Does that mean we were trying to use human shields to protect military targets? Or is Iran the baddie for striking hotels regardless of them having intelligence that US assets were there?
No you idiot... because our troops aren't moving in to Iran (will they? Dunno...)
Israels' been shooting infrastructure targets and military targets
US has been shooting at military targets and anything considered a regime headquarter targets.
Iran's shooting at anything, including but not limited to population centers and low-usage military targets.
Now do you see the difference?
Iran has no other choice but to do that. We would too if our existence was at risk.
No choice but to shoot at population centers? Of course they have a choice.
