(03-19-2026 11:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  When the democrats get the senate, they will crater the filibuster. They've been saying it for several years.

Yet they havent since 2013.

So.... you are saying its imminent, so might as well do it now.

Sounds like the Trump version of 'imminent' that sparked off his special military operation. Lolz.

There are no Dems left that would vote to keep it. They are pretty honest about it

(03-19-2026 10:44 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 10:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The filibuster is in place simply to allow the minority to block anything it doesn't like. Both parties want to keep it.

Which IMO goes against the will of the voters. Nothing serious ever passes.

When the Democrats are back in power we'll appreciate that the filibuster is still in place. Government is meant to move slowly. It moved too fast under Obama, the Republicans are swinging the pendulum back. Hopefully after Trump is done we get back to moving slowly on all these social issues.

Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

(03-19-2026 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

(03-19-2026 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

Harry Reid did it.

(03-19-2026 11:50 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

Harry Reid did it.

Harry Reid started it.

Well its time to do that with the budget. Force them to state their goals, which is to open the border.

The Republicans already compromised by pulling DHS out of the package.

They cannot pull ICE out of what is left.

In what sane universe does it only require 51 votes to get rid of a 60 vote rule?

(03-19-2026 12:16 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:50 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

Harry Reid did it.

Harry Reid started it.

Ah, yes. "Dingy Harry," as Rush Limbaugh would call him.

(03-19-2026 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

If I gambled, I would bet any amount of money that they will do exactly what they say they will do.

"...The U.S. Senate is broken. That U.S. federal government debt is approaching $39 trillion is only the most obvious evidence proving this point. Since I entered Congress in 2011, we should have passed 180 appropriations bills before the start of the fiscal year they were funding. We’ve passed only six on time. That’s a 96.7% failure rate.

Owing to that dysfunction, in the past 15 years we’ve had five shutdowns, relied on 57 continuing resolutions to fund government on an interim basis, and increased or suspended the debt ceiling a dozen times, allowing the federal government to incur an additional $24 trillion in debt. Despite this record of failure, for some inexplicable reason many of my Republican colleagues believe that maintaining the 60-vote threshold required to end a filibuster is crucial to the future of our republic.

I’ll admit that the 60-vote cloture threshold has prevented many bad bills from becoming law, and that without it bad bills would become law more easily. But it also prevents good bills from getting passed...."

The rule was designed for a Senate of mature adults who would work together, not for immature professional politicians. The filibuster needs to be changed.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/sen-ron-...ee4c?st=TFmfi5

"...Some have suggested using a “talking filibuster” to pass the SAVE America Act. In theory, the talking filibuster would allow passing a bill with a mere majority by making the opposition exhaust its ability to continue debate. Before 1986, that was possible due to the “two-speech rule,” which limited every senator to only two speeches on a given debate question during a single legislative day (which, absurdly, can stretch on for weeks because of how the Senate defines “legislative day”). But Minority Leader Robert Byrd in 1986 sponsored and passed a vote to change the precedent of the Senate whereby offering motions and amendments wouldn’t be considered a speech. So, instead of actually having to speak to continue debate, senators can offer an unlimited number of amendments to prevent a simple majority vote, thus requiring a cloture (supermajority) vote to end debate...."

This is the issue with a talking filibuster. It can go on forever.

(03-19-2026 12:39 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 12:16 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:50 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

Harry Reid did it.

Harry Reid started it.

Ah, yes. "Dingy Harry," as Rush Limbaugh would call him.

While Dingy Harry "started it", it has been the Rs that have taken the next two bites out of it. So the logic is that the Rs should simply 'finish the job' they have continued?

And once it is gutted completely, I guess you wont complain at all about bills the head into the 51-49 passage, no matter the content, afterwards? mlb is right on point. I also suspect that if/when the Rs take that lst bite out of it, when the Ds regain power they will go absolutely ape bonkers with it. Good with you?

(03-19-2026 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 12:39 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 12:16 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:50 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

Harry Reid did it.

Harry Reid started it.

Ah, yes. "Dingy Harry," as Rush Limbaugh would call him.

While Dingy Harry "started it", it has been the Rs that have taken the next two bites out of it. So the logic is that the Rs should simply 'finish the job' they have continued?

And once it is gutted completely, I guess you wont complain at all about bills the head into the 51-49 passage, no matter the content, afterwards? mlb is right on point. I also suspect that if/when the Rs take that lst bite out of it, when the Ds regain power they will go absolutely ape bonkers with it. Good with you?

I would be totally ok with getting rid of the filibuster if they would repeal the 17th amendment.

(03-19-2026 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Have you not heard the Dems for the last year? They are very open about blowing up the filibuster as soon as they regain the Senate.

We'll see if they have the balls to do it. I suspect they will realize that once it is gone then the next time the Republicans have the power they'll just go wild.

That’s the point. Republicans will never have power again. Radical leftists will see to that.

After the Democrats end the filibuster… which they’ve done before…. they’ll pack the SCOTUS, then push statehood for Leftist strongholds of DC and Puerto Rico. That’s 4 more Leftist Senators.

Then they’ll reopen the borders and continue importing more voters.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-d...ome-abroad

Pence calls Democrats shutdown unconscionable. We have enemies within and the Democrats are hobbling our ability to stop them.

(03-19-2026 12:37 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  In what sane universe does it only require 51 votes to get rid of a 60 vote rule?

One in which the 60 votes isnt constitutional, and the 50 +1 is.

Don’t forget what Susan Rice promised. An “Accountability Agenda” is what Rice is promising. The Democrats will lock up Republicans for doing what the American people voted for. If Democrats ever get power again the country is screwed.

https://www.aol.com/news/susan-rice-pred...Ft9ZnWQFrf

(03-19-2026 11:07 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-19-2026 11:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  When the democrats get the senate, they will crater the filibuster. They've been saying it for several years.

In that case the whiplash that we are about to enter into is going to ruin this country. You can't keep swinging back and forth and have a realistic long term business plan. You'll have a 2 year plan with no long term strategy because all assumptions will be null and void after every presidential election and every midterm.

Totally due to the low quality people in congress.

The filibuster was useful when we had patriots and adults in congress.

It was used only on really important issues, not just anytime you disagreed.

(03-19-2026 12:37 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  In what sane universe does it only require 51 votes to get rid of a 60 vote rule?

The 60 threshold is a Senate tradition just like the Blue Slip and other nonsense traditions. It allows the Senate to sit on its backside and keep the people’s business from going on.