(01-05-2026 06:55 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(01-03-2026 02:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  ....
FWIW, no full FBS member has ever been kicked out of their Conference, as you are no doubt aware. Perhaps MRSEC was flying up a trial balloon, perhaps this was his pet project, perhaps certain SEC members were concerned about the future of the Conference in 2010, it’s hard to know that now. But with A&M and Missouri in the fold, the 14 team SEC was in a great place and had no need to ponder what-ifs of removing anybody.

bryan, I thought Temple was kicked out of the Big East once. I guess they got back into the American.

Yes, Temple was voted out.

‘The football team exited the Big East in 2004 after originally being voted out of the conference in 2001 due to a lack of competitiveness on the field and funding off the field.’

The Owls rejoined the conference for football in 2012 and its 21 other sports in 2013.

https://temple-news.com/big-east-takes-in-temple/

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Temple was not a full Big East member though. They were a football affiliate with a contract similar to UMass in the MAC before. I have never heard of a full member being kicked out before.

(01-05-2026 08:30 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-05-2026 06:55 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(01-03-2026 02:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  ....
FWIW, no full FBS member has ever been kicked out of their Conference, as you are no doubt aware. Perhaps MRSEC was flying up a trial balloon, perhaps this was his pet project, perhaps certain SEC members were concerned about the future of the Conference in 2010, it’s hard to know that now. But with A&M and Missouri in the fold, the 14 team SEC was in a great place and had no need to ponder what-ifs of removing anybody.

bryan, I thought Temple was kicked out of the Big East once. I guess they got back into the American.

Yes, Temple was voted out.

‘The football team exited the Big East in 2004 after originally being voted out of the conference in 2001 due to a lack of competitiveness on the field and funding off the field.’

The Owls rejoined the conference for football in 2012 and its 21 other sports in 2013.

https://temple-news.com/big-east-takes-in-temple/

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They were only an associate member. The Sun Belt also declined to renew the associate memberships of Idaho and NMSU, if you want to go that route.

(01-05-2026 08:54 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Temple was not a full Big East member though. They were a football affiliate with a contract similar to UMass in the MAC before. I have never heard of a full member being kicked out before.

OK, but Brian spoke of ‘full FBS member’ not full conference member. That designation is already for football only.

(01-01-2026 10:46 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-30-2025 06:39 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-29-2025 11:13 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Stanford and Cal just make a lot of sense as institutional fits in the B1G

Stanford drama and ego is a fit for a Broadway stage.

Haven't you noticed? Every single big/powerful school thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread and deserves special treatment. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. If your school doesn't think that it's special/awesome, then it's not a candidate for the P2. You know what schools think they're special/awesome?

Clemson
UNC
FSU
Miami
Stanford
Cal

Plus about half of the rest of the M2. WF isn't a P2 candidate, and there's a reason for that.

A whole lot of new-ish P2 schools and P2 candidates get lumped into this "they think they're special" category. Well, guess what? They are special! However, when you look at what happens when those schools actually make a move, every one (with the notable exception of USC) immediately toes the line upon joining the new Conference. PSU? OU? Texas? Oregon? Washington? Nebraska? EVERYBODY else just falls in line b/c they wouldn't have joined the Conference in the first place if they felt like they had a better option. But back in their old/stale/weaker conference, probably a conference that hasn't been serving their needs properly for decades? Yeah, they want to throw their weight around.

That's great and all. They really are institutional fits; no denying that. Good collaborative partners? Not so much.

That matters to the Big Ten. How much is debatable, but, in conferences where things like unanimity is symbolically embraced, Stanford's like, "not my tempo." Not saying Michigan, Ohio State, and now USC aren't their own case of "especially needy," but, Stanford is pretty much the line cook thinking they're always the executive chef. As a school, yup. For things like football and basketball and conference administration? Again...not so much.

(01-06-2026 12:48 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(01-01-2026 10:46 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-30-2025 06:39 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-29-2025 11:13 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Stanford and Cal just make a lot of sense as institutional fits in the B1G

Stanford drama and ego is a fit for a Broadway stage.

Haven't you noticed? Every single big/powerful school thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread and deserves special treatment. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. If your school doesn't think that it's special/awesome, then it's not a candidate for the P2. You know what schools think they're special/awesome?

Clemson
UNC
FSU
Miami
Stanford
Cal

Plus about half of the rest of the M2. WF isn't a P2 candidate, and there's a reason for that.

A whole lot of new-ish P2 schools and P2 candidates get lumped into this "they think they're special" category. Well, guess what? They are special! However, when you look at what happens when those schools actually make a move, every one (with the notable exception of USC) immediately toes the line upon joining the new Conference. PSU? OU? Texas? Oregon? Washington? Nebraska? EVERYBODY else just falls in line b/c they wouldn't have joined the Conference in the first place if they felt like they had a better option. But back in their old/stale/weaker conference, probably a conference that hasn't been serving their needs properly for decades? Yeah, they want to throw their weight around.

That's great and all. They really are institutional fits; no denying that. Good collaborative partners? Not so much.

That matters to the Big Ten. How much is debatable, but, in conferences where things like unanimity is symbolically embraced, Stanford's like, "not my tempo." Not saying Michigan, Ohio State, and now USC aren't their own case of "especially needy," but, Stanford is pretty much the line cook thinking they're always the executive chef. As a school, yup. For things like football and basketball and conference administration? Again...not so much.

Is Stanford the line cook and not the CEO with more money than god? You sure about that? IMO Stanford's biggest issue is being tied to Cal. Also, I would point out that they already let the least trustworthy admin in all of collegiate sports in, USC, the school that is trying to sell games outside the conf tv package, one of only two to stall the rest of the conferences' plans, etc.

(12-30-2025 01:33 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-30-2025 01:08 PM)e-parade Wrote:  Interesting to see where UMass would fall if the Med School weren't broken out as its own thing.

UMass: #114 with $281,730,000
UMass Medical: #98 with $349,616,000

Together it would be just ahead of Georgia at #59 with $631,346,000.


So there's your example of how much difference a med school can make.

Oregon is another one - the Oregon Health Science University is #63 with $545 Million. Oregon State is at $371M and Oregon at $175M

Similarly, Arkansas.

University of Arkansas, Fayetteville - 231m
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences - 227m

Summed together at ~$458m, that puts them just slightly behind Iowa State and Florida State and ahead of UConn, LSU, and Auburn among others.

It's a purely political Northwest Arkansas vs Little Rock/rest of state thing. So stupid.

Not that they could, but if the B10 could trade Maryland and Rutgers to the ACC for Cal/Stanford, they would.

Once the UTSA and the med school merges as final? They would be just north of $1 billion total. The med school is the one heavily funded, and it would boast UTSA even higher. UT-Tyler and the med school have already merged, but feds keeps putting them separate.

Chasing after recognition from the AAU lobbying group, have resulted in several medical schools merging administrative governance with the leadership of undergraduate-plus institutions. In some situations, the reporting lines are largely cosmetic and/or less efficient. It’s consolidation to count more dollars and deliver more forceful appeals for grants.

(01-05-2026 08:30 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-05-2026 06:55 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(01-03-2026 02:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  ....
FWIW, no full FBS member has ever been kicked out of their Conference, as you are no doubt aware. Perhaps MRSEC was flying up a trial balloon, perhaps this was his pet project, perhaps certain SEC members were concerned about the future of the Conference in 2010, it’s hard to know that now. But with A&M and Missouri in the fold, the 14 team SEC was in a great place and had no need to ponder what-ifs of removing anybody.

bryan, I thought Temple was kicked out of the Big East once. I guess they got back into the American.

Yes, Temple was voted out.

‘The football team exited the Big East in 2004 after originally being voted out of the conference in 2001 due to a lack of competitiveness on the field and funding off the field.’

The Owls rejoined the conference for football in 2012 and its 21 other sports in 2013.

https://temple-news.com/big-east-takes-in-temple/

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Weren’t they FB only though? Or am I thinking of someone else from the BE? If memory werves, there were strict conditions attached to that partial memberships, conditions that Temple completely ignored.

(01-05-2026 08:59 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-05-2026 08:54 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Temple was not a full Big East member though. They were a football affiliate with a contract similar to UMass in the MAC before. I have never heard of a full member being kicked out before.

OK, but Brian spoke of ‘full FBS member’ not full conference member. That designation is already for football only.

I meant “full fbs conference member” but left out the “conference” part, sorry for the confusion guys.