(12-03-2025 05:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:37 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 03:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wrong. No Child Left Behind has saved a bunch of kids from the jail/welfare cycle. Schools were unaccountable before as long as they produced a few high performing. Helping the bottom does nothing to hinder the top. What hinders the top is the progressive desire to bring everyone to the same lowest common denominator.

NCLB means the schools educate everyone, not just a select few. That some chose to educate nobody is a reflection on school leadership, not NCLB. It gets blamed because educators HATE accountability.

Show me the statistics to back that up. Inner city schools specifically.

https://manhattan.institute/article/publ...ted-states
https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/tables/ACGR_2010...012-13.asp

Go get your own inner city stats and stop being so lazy.

But graduation rates increased from 69% to 81% between 2000 and 2013.

And I have kids who grew up during the NCLB era and know that the educators were kicking and screaming against having to actually try to educate everyone.

Grad rates tell me jack. Can they read, write, and do math? The standardized tests say no better than before NCLB came into effect, and in terms of math and reading generally lower. Look at the average SAT score and you'll see the same trend.

(12-03-2025 03:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 03:01 PM)Roxie Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  On the view yesterday they were attacking Linda McMahon as unqualified (given who Biden appointed, that's really hilarious!).

McMahon is perfectly qualfiied to lead a large organization through her private sector experience. She is not supposed to be an educator. She is to be an enabler for states and to dismantle bureaucracy.

She must be pretty successful to turn into a target. Apparently Sen. Warren called for her to resign, for no particular reason, other than she is doing what she was selected to do.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...53588.html
This article tallks about what McMahon is doing in her effort to be the last Secretary of Education.

I wish the Congress would get with it and eliminate the department.

She was selected to run the department not get rid of it, also *qualified.

Wrong as always. Trump selected her to close down the department.

Yet another example of their failures on a grand scale. Numbnuts up there doesn't understand that this is exactly what America voted for.

Meh

Prog filth are always after somebody but are never for anything.

(12-03-2025 04:12 PM)Roxie Wrote:  You are arguing that she wasn't picked to run the department. Which is a *** **** lie.

You're free to carry your delusions as far along as you wish, while those of us who exist in real-time reality are free to point at you and laugh at the intellectual midget you've shown yourself to be.

(12-03-2025 03:01 PM)Roxie Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  On the view yesterday they were attacking Linda McMahon as unqualified (given who Biden appointed, that's really hilarious!).

McMahon is perfectly qualfiied to lead a large organization through her private sector experience. She is not supposed to be an educator. She is to be an enabler for states and to dismantle bureaucracy.

She must be pretty successful to turn into a target. Apparently Sen. Warren called for her to resign, for no particular reason, other than she is doing what she was selected to do.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...53588.html
This article tallks about what McMahon is doing in her effort to be the last Secretary of Education.

I wish the Congress would get with it and eliminate the department.

She was selected to run the department not get rid of it, also *qualified.

Quiet piggy

(12-03-2025 06:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 12:53 PM)mlb Wrote:  The greatest power should be at the local level, not the federal level. For that alone I applaud McMahon and Trump's views of killing it. That being said, a huge portion of the budget for schools comes from the federal level and I know that the schools struggle now to make ends meet, so I hope that does not go away. Get the federal regulations out of the way, let the local boards and state boards make the rules for educating our kids. No more of this no child left behind crap, it has done nothing of value to our schools and if anything has caused the high achieving kids to be held back from achieving their best while it hasn't done significant improvement to the kids at the bottom.

The very first thing Trump said when announcing his plan was the intent is to move the money to the states.

A fact that's been glossed over and few seem aware of.

(12-03-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:23 PM)Roxie Wrote:  There is no debate when one side just lies.

Your ban was way too short.

It's possible it was banned from one of the sports forums, and it was generally applied, they corrected it for it, and it has access to this forum and others, just not the one it was originally banned from. That happened to me once. I was banned for 3 months from the Tigers board for injecting a political statement into a response to something sports-related, but I could still come here and visit other forums.

It takes a whole lot more than what I did to get banned from there these days.

(12-03-2025 03:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 03:01 PM)Roxie Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  On the view yesterday they were attacking Linda McMahon as unqualified (given who Biden appointed, that's really hilarious!).

McMahon is perfectly qualfiied to lead a large organization through her private sector experience. She is not supposed to be an educator. She is to be an enabler for states and to dismantle bureaucracy.

She must be pretty successful to turn into a target. Apparently Sen. Warren called for her to resign, for no particular reason, other than she is doing what she was selected to do.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...53588.html
This article tallks about what McMahon is doing in her effort to be the last Secretary of Education.

I wish the Congress would get with it and eliminate the department.

She was selected to run the department not get rid of it, also *qualified.

Wrong as always. Trump selected her to close down the department.

Correct. It has been all over the media since she was appointed. Oh wait, the media that Roxie doesn't follow.

(12-04-2025 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:23 PM)Roxie Wrote:  There is no debate when one side just lies.

Your ban was way too short.

It's possible it was banned from one of the sports forums, and it was generally applied, they corrected it for it, and it has access to this forum and others, just not the one it was originally banned from. That happened to me once. I was banned for 3 months from the Tigers board for injecting a political statement into a response to something sports-related, but I could still come here and visit other forums.

It takes a whole lot more than what I did to get banned from there these days.

LOL. Doesn't change my comment or my attitude.

(12-04-2025 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:23 PM)Roxie Wrote:  There is no debate when one side just lies.

Your ban was way too short.

It's possible it was banned from one of the sports forums, and it was generally applied, they corrected it for it, and it has access to this forum and others, just not the one it was originally banned from. That happened to me once. I was banned for 3 months from the Tigers board for injecting a political statement into a response to something sports-related, but I could still come here and visit other forums.

It takes a whole lot more than what I did to get banned from there these days.

Seems that the rules are pretty lax nowadays.

(12-04-2025 12:53 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-04-2025 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:23 PM)Roxie Wrote:  There is no debate when one side just lies.

Your ban was way too short.

It's possible it was banned from one of the sports forums, and it was generally applied, they corrected it for it, and it has access to this forum and others, just not the one it was originally banned from. That happened to me once. I was banned for 3 months from the Tigers board for injecting a political statement into a response to something sports-related, but I could still come here and visit other forums.

It takes a whole lot more than what I did to get banned from there these days.

Seems that the rules are pretty lax nowadays.

Sure seems that way. Also, can we get some new, active mods for the Spin Room, please? Hambone hasn't shown up in a long time, and the other two don't really post here anymore either. I'm not asking for new mods to be made. Just, you know, some reorganization of existing mods.

Thanks, GTS.

(12-04-2025 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:23 PM)Roxie Wrote:  There is no debate when one side just lies.

Your ban was way too short.

It's possible it was banned from one of the sports forums, and it was generally applied, they corrected it for it, and it has access to this forum and others, just not the one it was originally banned from. That happened to me once. I was banned for 3 months from the Tigers board for injecting a political statement into a response to something sports-related, but I could still come here and visit other forums.

It takes a whole lot more than what I did to get banned from there these days.

They (rox) have 167 post since 11 Nov 2025, all post have been made in the Spin Room. Not one post has been made on the Tiger Board or any other Board but the Spin Room.

(12-04-2025 01:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-04-2025 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:23 PM)Roxie Wrote:  There is no debate when one side just lies.

Your ban was way too short.

It's possible it was banned from one of the sports forums, and it was generally applied, they corrected it for it, and it has access to this forum and others, just not the one it was originally banned from. That happened to me once. I was banned for 3 months from the Tigers board for injecting a political statement into a response to something sports-related, but I could still come here and visit other forums.

It takes a whole lot more than what I did to get banned from there these days.

They (rox) have 167 post since 11 Nov 2025, all post have been made in the Spin Room. Not one post has been made on the Tiger Board or any other Board but the Spin Room.

Not to mention that the account was created on October 16th of last year, and sat dormant for over year until Veterans Day last month.

It's someone's sock puppet. Obvious from the beginning.

(12-04-2025 01:46 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  It's someone's sock puppet. Obvious from the beginning.

it's like having two DLs as a JIC ...

(12-04-2025 01:46 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  It's someone's sock puppet. Obvious from the beginning.

Yep. An echo chamber to make the din seem louder than it really is.

Not only did the account sit dormant for a year, I never saw it lurk, either, and I pay attention to that, and am up all hours of the day and night.

(12-04-2025 09:41 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 05:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 04:37 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 03:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wrong. No Child Left Behind has saved a bunch of kids from the jail/welfare cycle. Schools were unaccountable before as long as they produced a few high performing. Helping the bottom does nothing to hinder the top. What hinders the top is the progressive desire to bring everyone to the same lowest common denominator.

NCLB means the schools educate everyone, not just a select few. That some chose to educate nobody is a reflection on school leadership, not NCLB. It gets blamed because educators HATE accountability.

Show me the statistics to back that up. Inner city schools specifically.

https://manhattan.institute/article/publ...ted-states
https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/tables/ACGR_2010...012-13.asp

Go get your own inner city stats and stop being so lazy.

But graduation rates increased from 69% to 81% between 2000 and 2013.

And I have kids who grew up during the NCLB era and know that the educators were kicking and screaming against having to actually try to educate everyone.

Grad rates tell me jack. Can they read, write, and do math? The standardized tests say no better than before NCLB came into effect, and in terms of math and reading generally lower. Look at the average SAT score and you'll see the same trend.

The average SAT score was flat after NCLB until the last few years when it declined (after you factor in score inflation), but a lot of that is that more people are taking the test over the years. In the 60s/70s a lot of people did not take it.

Show your math and reading claims (I know they are down long term, but we are talking relative to NCLB).

(12-04-2025 11:03 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 06:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-03-2025 12:53 PM)mlb Wrote:  The greatest power should be at the local level, not the federal level. For that alone I applaud McMahon and Trump's views of killing it. That being said, a huge portion of the budget for schools comes from the federal level and I know that the schools struggle now to make ends meet, so I hope that does not go away. Get the federal regulations out of the way, let the local boards and state boards make the rules for educating our kids. No more of this no child left behind crap, it has done nothing of value to our schools and if anything has caused the high achieving kids to be held back from achieving their best while it hasn't done significant improvement to the kids at the bottom.

The very first thing Trump said when announcing his plan was the intent is to move the money to the states.

A fact that's been glossed over and few seem aware of.

That only works if congress continues to fund it to be distributed that way. I'm not sold that they will do that.

(12-04-2025 02:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  The average SAT score was flat after NCLB until the last few years when it declined (after you factor in score inflation), but a lot of that is that more people are taking the test over the years. In the 60s/70s a lot of people did not take it.

Show your math and reading claims (I know they are down long term, but we are talking relative to NCLB).

Here you go. It was signed into law in 2002 but took several years to fully take effect. Beginning in 2006 numbers started dropping. This chart doesn't even take into account the years post covid.

Picture won't post correctly, but you can see it here. https://imgur.com/9FNQZDk

(12-05-2025 10:18 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-04-2025 02:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  The average SAT score was flat after NCLB until the last few years when it declined (after you factor in score inflation), but a lot of that is that more people are taking the test over the years. In the 60s/70s a lot of people did not take it.

Show your math and reading claims (I know they are down long term, but we are talking relative to NCLB).

Here you go. It was signed into law in 2002 but took several years to fully take effect. Beginning in 2006 numbers started dropping. This chart doesn't even take into account the years post covid.

Picture won't post correctly, but you can see it here. https://imgur.com/9FNQZDk

Thanks. But that is just the SAT.

This chart shows it going up after NCLB on the tests they are taking in schools. Doesn't really drop until Covid. Then it falls through the floor. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=38

This is 13 year olds and shows a more pronounced trend:
https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/