(11-10-2025 07:54 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 12:35 AM)46566 Wrote:  I think closing their eyes and picking New Mexico State should happen. PAC isn't going to get MWC schools due to the court cases and AAC are to expensive to get. I'd also look at a FCS to get back to 10. Then look at a Olympic sports add. They have to stop dreaming their a top G6 conference. Get a decent basketball school who plays FCS football out west. 10/12 would be a good place to be until you can determine whose the best to Get back to 12 in football.

The to be NuPac conference has been an abject disaster on the field this season. WSU and OSU are particularly concerning. Dreams of pulling additional schools from the MWC or American is out the window. New Mexico State is probably their best option at this point.

I have to agree. At least for the immediate future New Mexico state is there best bet. I say add a FCS in hopes they build up there program to actually help the next TV deal. You have to look at it that by adding 2 all sports members it brings them down to 4 non conference games instead of 5. In a era where P4 are going to 3 non conference games and non conference games could be harder to find. They can stay at 10/11 if they choose to but adding a #12 Olympic sports member could help if it's in a good market or recruiting location.

Right now they're overly worried about perception. Though playing only 7 conference games and needing other conferences to help bail them out hurts more than adding NMSU and a FCS team. It also buys them time. They might be able to get 2+ MWC teams the next go around. It would give them the option of potentially being able to choose instead of being forced to take any warm body.

Meh. SDSU beat Cal, who beat Miami. Didn't Miami absolutely stomp USF? One season in the wake of the PAC explosion for OSU/WSU will not dictate or predict the future. Usually, commitment, resources, and spending have the greatest impact on long-term results. And like it or not the PAC will be the standard in at the G level with a few schools in the AAC and one in the SBC spending similarly with similar levels of facilities.

Next season, when the PAC FB and BB deals kick in and conf FB and BB games are on CW and CBS, the FOMO will start.

(11-10-2025 01:10 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 07:54 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 12:35 AM)46566 Wrote:  I think closing their eyes and picking New Mexico State should happen. PAC isn't going to get MWC schools due to the court cases and AAC are to expensive to get. I'd also look at a FCS to get back to 10. Then look at a Olympic sports add. They have to stop dreaming their a top G6 conference. Get a decent basketball school who plays FCS football out west. 10/12 would be a good place to be until you can determine whose the best to Get back to 12 in football.

The to be NuPac conference has been an abject disaster on the field this season. WSU and OSU are particularly concerning. Dreams of pulling additional schools from the MWC or American is out the window. New Mexico State is probably their best option at this point.

I have to agree. At least for the immediate future New Mexico state is there best bet. I say add a FCS in hopes they build up there program to actually help the next TV deal. You have to look at it that by adding 2 all sports members it brings them down to 4 non conference games instead of 5. In a era where P4 are going to 3 non conference games and non conference games could be harder to find. They can stay at 10/11 if they choose to but adding a #12 Olympic sports member could help if it's in a good market or recruiting location.

Right now they're overly worried about perception. Though playing only 7 conference games and needing other conferences to help bail them out hurts more than adding NMSU and a FCS team. It also buys them time. They might be able to get 2+ MWC teams the next go around. It would give them the option of potentially being able to choose instead of being forced to take any warm body.

New Mexico St would be the easiest solution for the newPAC to add probably yes. No strings attached pay em and get em in. I know they’re holding out for UNLV/Air Force/Memphis/Tulane still but it doesn’t seem like they have the $ to pull that off. New Mexico would be a better add than New Mexico St for them, and I get that there might be some snickers, but you gotta do what you gotta do…easy peasy.

(11-10-2025 02:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 01:10 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 07:54 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 12:35 AM)46566 Wrote:  I think closing their eyes and picking New Mexico State should happen. PAC isn't going to get MWC schools due to the court cases and AAC are to expensive to get. I'd also look at a FCS to get back to 10. Then look at a Olympic sports add. They have to stop dreaming their a top G6 conference. Get a decent basketball school who plays FCS football out west. 10/12 would be a good place to be until you can determine whose the best to Get back to 12 in football.

The to be NuPac conference has been an abject disaster on the field this season. WSU and OSU are particularly concerning. Dreams of pulling additional schools from the MWC or American is out the window. New Mexico State is probably their best option at this point.

I have to agree. At least for the immediate future New Mexico state is there best bet. I say add a FCS in hopes they build up there program to actually help the next TV deal. You have to look at it that by adding 2 all sports members it brings them down to 4 non conference games instead of 5. In a era where P4 are going to 3 non conference games and non conference games could be harder to find. They can stay at 10/11 if they choose to but adding a #12 Olympic sports member could help if it's in a good market or recruiting location.

Right now they're overly worried about perception. Though playing only 7 conference games and needing other conferences to help bail them out hurts more than adding NMSU and a FCS team. It also buys them time. They might be able to get 2+ MWC teams the next go around. It would give them the option of potentially being able to choose instead of being forced to take any warm body.

New Mexico St would be the easiest solution for the newPAC to add probably yes. No strings attached pay em and get em in. I know they’re holding out for UNLV/Air Force/Memphis/Tulane still but it doesn’t seem like they have the $ to pull that off. New Mexico would be a better add than New Mexico St for them, and I get that there might be some snickers, but you gotta do what you gotta do…easy peasy.

I agree with all of the above, but as I said on the first page of this thread, I think the odds of NMSU being added are slim and none. If there's anything we've learned about the new Pac over the past 24 months, it's that practical considerations take a back seat to ego in the conference's decision-making. The members could barely stomach adding Texas State. NMSU is a bridge too far.

(11-10-2025 02:33 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 02:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 01:10 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 07:54 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 12:35 AM)46566 Wrote:  I think closing their eyes and picking New Mexico State should happen. PAC isn't going to get MWC schools due to the court cases and AAC are to expensive to get. I'd also look at a FCS to get back to 10. Then look at a Olympic sports add. They have to stop dreaming their a top G6 conference. Get a decent basketball school who plays FCS football out west. 10/12 would be a good place to be until you can determine whose the best to Get back to 12 in football.

The to be NuPac conference has been an abject disaster on the field this season. WSU and OSU are particularly concerning. Dreams of pulling additional schools from the MWC or American is out the window. New Mexico State is probably their best option at this point.

I have to agree. At least for the immediate future New Mexico state is there best bet. I say add a FCS in hopes they build up there program to actually help the next TV deal. You have to look at it that by adding 2 all sports members it brings them down to 4 non conference games instead of 5. In a era where P4 are going to 3 non conference games and non conference games could be harder to find. They can stay at 10/11 if they choose to but adding a #12 Olympic sports member could help if it's in a good market or recruiting location.

Right now they're overly worried about perception. Though playing only 7 conference games and needing other conferences to help bail them out hurts more than adding NMSU and a FCS team. It also buys them time. They might be able to get 2+ MWC teams the next go around. It would give them the option of potentially being able to choose instead of being forced to take any warm body.

New Mexico St would be the easiest solution for the newPAC to add probably yes. No strings attached pay em and get em in. I know they’re holding out for UNLV/Air Force/Memphis/Tulane still but it doesn’t seem like they have the $ to pull that off. New Mexico would be a better add than New Mexico St for them, and I get that there might be some snickers, but you gotta do what you gotta do…easy peasy.

I agree with all of the above, but as I said on the first page of this thread, I think the odds of NMSU being added are slim and none. If there's anything we've learned about the new Pac over the past 24 months, it's that practical considerations take a back seat to ego in the conference's decision-making. The members could barely stomach adding Texas State. NMSU is a bridge too far.

Hahaha well NMSU is a bridge to Texas St!

(11-10-2025 02:33 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I agree with all of the above, but as I said on the first page of this thread, I think the odds of NMSU being added are slim and none. If there's anything we've learned about the new Pac over the past 24 months, it's that practical considerations take a back seat to ego in the conference's decision-making. The members could barely stomach adding Texas State. NMSU is a bridge too far.

I think the best option if the Aggies are off the table is to go after Sac State, as I mentioned earlier:

-Help them achieve FBS Independent status
-Schedule them with every PAC school (mix of Home and Away)
-Gives all PAC schools except TXST another regional opponent for scheduling purposes in an important recruiting state.
-If they reach certain financial and facility goals by 2032 (when all hell breaks loose) invite them as a full member.

Would give the PAC another large Media Market team which I'd imagine would help their TV deal, its the same reason the MWC added UC Davis but they'd actually have to meet their financial obligations and improve their facilities.

(11-10-2025 03:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 02:33 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 02:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 01:10 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 07:54 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  The to be NuPac conference has been an abject disaster on the field this season. WSU and OSU are particularly concerning. Dreams of pulling additional schools from the MWC or American is out the window. New Mexico State is probably their best option at this point.

I have to agree. At least for the immediate future New Mexico state is there best bet. I say add a FCS in hopes they build up there program to actually help the next TV deal. You have to look at it that by adding 2 all sports members it brings them down to 4 non conference games instead of 5. In a era where P4 are going to 3 non conference games and non conference games could be harder to find. They can stay at 10/11 if they choose to but adding a #12 Olympic sports member could help if it's in a good market or recruiting location.

Right now they're overly worried about perception. Though playing only 7 conference games and needing other conferences to help bail them out hurts more than adding NMSU and a FCS team. It also buys them time. They might be able to get 2+ MWC teams the next go around. It would give them the option of potentially being able to choose instead of being forced to take any warm body.

New Mexico St would be the easiest solution for the newPAC to add probably yes. No strings attached pay em and get em in. I know they’re holding out for UNLV/Air Force/Memphis/Tulane still but it doesn’t seem like they have the $ to pull that off. New Mexico would be a better add than New Mexico St for them, and I get that there might be some snickers, but you gotta do what you gotta do…easy peasy.

I agree with all of the above, but as I said on the first page of this thread, I think the odds of NMSU being added are slim and none. If there's anything we've learned about the new Pac over the past 24 months, it's that practical considerations take a back seat to ego in the conference's decision-making. The members could barely stomach adding Texas State. NMSU is a bridge too far.

Hahaha well NMSU is a bridge to Texas St!

Yeah, that’s the irony. NMSU is the addition that actually makes sense to fill that geographic gap.

(11-10-2025 03:15 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 03:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 02:33 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 02:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 01:10 PM)46566 Wrote:  I have to agree. At least for the immediate future New Mexico state is there best bet. I say add a FCS in hopes they build up there program to actually help the next TV deal. You have to look at it that by adding 2 all sports members it brings them down to 4 non conference games instead of 5. In a era where P4 are going to 3 non conference games and non conference games could be harder to find. They can stay at 10/11 if they choose to but adding a #12 Olympic sports member could help if it's in a good market or recruiting location.

Right now they're overly worried about perception. Though playing only 7 conference games and needing other conferences to help bail them out hurts more than adding NMSU and a FCS team. It also buys them time. They might be able to get 2+ MWC teams the next go around. It would give them the option of potentially being able to choose instead of being forced to take any warm body.

New Mexico St would be the easiest solution for the newPAC to add probably yes. No strings attached pay em and get em in. I know they’re holding out for UNLV/Air Force/Memphis/Tulane still but it doesn’t seem like they have the $ to pull that off. New Mexico would be a better add than New Mexico St for them, and I get that there might be some snickers, but you gotta do what you gotta do…easy peasy.

I agree with all of the above, but as I said on the first page of this thread, I think the odds of NMSU being added are slim and none. If there's anything we've learned about the new Pac over the past 24 months, it's that practical considerations take a back seat to ego in the conference's decision-making. The members could barely stomach adding Texas State. NMSU is a bridge too far.

Hahaha well NMSU is a bridge to Texas St!

Yeah, that’s the irony. NMSU is the addition that actually makes sense to fill that geographic gap.

They would be a good add for alot of reasons however the biggest issue is their financial commitment issues. Supposedly they have access to oil money they're not using, if they want in the PAC they'd have to start using that IMO.

The whole point of the new Pac-12 was to upgrade the competition level above the MWC. This talk by some posters who thing the schedule inconvenience for 2026 of finding a 12th opponent for everyone is more important than maintaining standards is a case of people not understanding the message. The Pac-12 is not adding anyone they do not believe helps them strategically raise their stature.

The Pac-12 would like to give its schools one or two years of coverage with a 5th OOC game, which is why they are trying to find partners among the other G conferences. But they are not willing to lock in a member who does not meet their standards.

Seriously ask yourself, in what way do schools like Sac State, NMSU, ULL or Sam Houston State enhance the Pac-12 stature?

Speaking of FCS Sac State, they made a very rash and emotional move to declare for FB and even look at legal action for being denied a waiver. The so far have only 4 games scheduled in 2026, 3 against FCS schools:

09/12 - at Fresno State
09/19 - Youngstown State
11/21 - Southern Utah
TBA - Lamar

And three of the next four years only a single game against non-scholarship Pioneer football San Diego, two of which are on the road (2027 home, 2028 and 2030 away!). That is hardly an argument that they are capable of scheduling sufficient FBS opponents as an independent to justify a claim for a waiver. This is nothing like what Liberty could do and could present as evidence of self-sufficiency. Hence scheduling Sac State does nothing for the Pac-12, as they would count as an FCS school until they can schedule 5 FBS games at home to get a waiver.

When you circle back, the most realistic approach would be to help schools in the Pac-12 to partner with those who have not yet completed their schedule, including SEC schools like South Carolina (had to cancel Miami series to get to 3 OOC in future years but leaves 2026 a game short) and SBC schools like USM, LTU and ULL who are a game or two short as a result of LTU moving over, offering a series for each with Pac-12 schools, even some compensation for scheduling such games in October or November. Stop gap moves such as this can probably fill at least four or five of the eight game shortage in 2026 and start to plug the 2027 hole as well. For those you can't negotiate a game, a second FCS game against Sac State is always sitting there (Hornets are beggars, they can be had for cheap).

(11-10-2025 03:19 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 03:15 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 03:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 02:33 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 02:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  New Mexico St would be the easiest solution for the newPAC to add probably yes. No strings attached pay em and get em in. I know they’re holding out for UNLV/Air Force/Memphis/Tulane still but it doesn’t seem like they have the $ to pull that off. New Mexico would be a better add than New Mexico St for them, and I get that there might be some snickers, but you gotta do what you gotta do…easy peasy.

I agree with all of the above, but as I said on the first page of this thread, I think the odds of NMSU being added are slim and none. If there's anything we've learned about the new Pac over the past 24 months, it's that practical considerations take a back seat to ego in the conference's decision-making. The members could barely stomach adding Texas State. NMSU is a bridge too far.

Hahaha well NMSU is a bridge to Texas St!

Yeah, that’s the irony. NMSU is the addition that actually makes sense to fill that geographic gap.

They would be a good add for alot of reasons however the biggest issue is their financial commitment issues. Supposedly they have access to oil money they're not using, if they want in the PAC they'd have to start using that IMO.

I would think just spending enough to be 6-6 in football and in Q2 or Q3 in net would be good enough. Just basically don't be a anchor. If Sacramento State wasn't a anchor in both basketball and football it would have been added by either MWC or PAC. UC Davis all but got a fbs invite to the MWC.