(11-05-2025 09:51 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: The biggest myth of politics is that the political center is right-of-center economically and left-of-center culturally. It's the exact opposite of that. The only people who believe that are those that only socialize with people on the cocktail circuit.
Steve Bannon is basically right. We can either get rid of all the social Darwinist weirdos that want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare or we can lose the culture wars. If we let all of these globalist billionaires wreck the social safety net the left will inevitably take power and win on issues like men in women's sports, open borders, DEI, etc.
It's amazing to me that some Republicans thought this election would go well for them when you're basically holding substantial premium increases over the American people. MTG is also right, BTW. If you don't want universal health care Republicans will have to fix the health care system.
I wish they would fix the system. Somehow the repubs are unable to even put together a plan to replace the current one.
b/c there isn't one w/o taking monies away from some 'groups'...
it's puttin' back the genie in the bottle scenario...
in politics, that's a death wish...
"It's the Republicans' fault Medical Insurance is bad because they haven't come up with something to replace Obamacare!!!" You can't make this up. I know, how bout you have to get a job to get Medical Insurance if you aren't 100% disabled or 65 or older? Sounds pretty simple to me. Obamacare did what it was supposed to do. Destroy the private medical insurance business so the Feds were in control of your health. What could go wrong? Hey Stink, I see Johnny Dupree is back in business up around your way. People are so stupid.
Your take makes sense. However, if you had control of both chambers and ultimately failed to find a better replacement to Obamacare…then what good are you as a party? That’s also a reasonable take.
like I said, how do you put the genie back in the bottle ... w/o disrupting the current version of status quo, you're politically screwed...
owl #s would be pining Bismark ... #RIP
we all know the goal of zero-care was single payer ... that's the reality...
(11-05-2025 12:34 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Over 100 posts and extra long posts when it's a simple things:
1. Blue states voted blue
2. The only reasons Republicans had hopes in some of these elections was because Trump was on the ballot in 2024 that shifted those states slightly rightward and these Dem candidates had troubling history. Trump wasn’t on the ballot and dem voters didn’t care about troubling history
3. Women once again carried dems to victory bases on the numbers
The end
Number 2 should be very concerning moving forward if true. It means the GOP cannot figure out how to effectively organize after Trump’s gone.
(11-05-2025 09:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Because our tax dollars are being spent there. Not that you would know anything about that. People on spousal support usually dont pay taxes.
in FY 2024 NY sent $76B more in federal taxes than it received in federal funds.
Compare that with Mississippi that received $33B more in federal funds than it sent in taxes, and Bammer which received $45B more in funds than it sent in taxes.
California and NY pay for all the welfare MAGA states get.
b/c west coast and NE $$$ are artificially inflated due to the fiat and accrued demand over time ... equilibrium is finally catching up...
you think it's a 'gotcha' moment ... why are many on the west coast and NE leaving in droves today ... watch their housing markets collapse in the not-too-distant ... hell, subprime lending is now trying to make another run at it ... why do ewe think that is, eh?!
sustainability is where youse in the socialist donktard camp always fail in the long version ... #RPPP (rob peter pay paul)
the 'sip would literally be a 3rd world country thanks to republican guidance if it wasn't for the welfare largesse of blue states.
Yourwhole post is conjecture and wishcasting. You hope that the states collapse (even though it hurts miss. welfare in the long run) so you eventually despite decades of being wrong you're proven "right" in the end.
There are parts of "the 'sip" that ARE 3rd world countries and it has nothing to do with "Republican Guidance". It is just the opposite. Those areas have been run by Democrats since the beginning of time, and those areas contribute absolutely NOTHING to the tax base of the state. Mississippi Casinos pay a 16% on GROSS revenue to the state, and has the lottery. That is the ONLY way those that live in the "3rd world" areas pay into the tax base. THOSE areas are the sole reason MS is considered last in everything, even though it is no longer true due to total Republican control for the past decade or so.
I believe it's called the Mississippi Delta where the mostly poor are located.
(11-05-2025 11:44 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: "It's the Republicans' fault Medical Insurance is bad because they haven't come up with something to replace Obamacare!!!" You can't make this up. I know, how bout you have to get a job to get Medical Insurance if you aren't 100% disabled or 65 or older? Sounds pretty simple to me. Obamacare did what it was supposed to do. Destroy the private medical insurance business so the Feds were in control of your health. What could go wrong? Hey Stink, I see Johnny Dupree is back in business up around your way. People are so stupid.
A couple things here.
1. My personal belief is that Obamacare was intended to bankrupt the healthcare providers, not the insurance companies. The insurance companies are producing HUGE profits while the healthcare providers have been struggling to just get out of the red post covid. The ACA cut reimbursement rates for Medicare and Medicaid patients thus killing our hospitals, especially when their demographics currently has 60-70% of their patients being covered by one of those 2 entities. Last time I saw a breakdown it cost over $115 for every $100 reimbursed for those patients. Those rebursement cuts allowed the Obamacare plans to essentially match those reimbursement rates, exacerbating the situation.
2. A lot of companies don't offer insurance, or if they do they are terribly expensive and don't cover jack ****. Someone having a job does not guarantee them of affordible, quality insurance.
(11-05-2025 12:34 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Over 100 posts and extra long posts when it's a simple things:
1. Blue states voted blue
2. The only reasons Republicans had hopes in some of these elections was because Trump was on the ballot in 2024 that shifted those states slightly rightward and these Dem candidates had troubling history. Trump wasn’t on the ballot and dem voters didn’t care about troubling history
3. Women once again carried dems to victory bases on the numbers
The end
I, for one, hope it is not the end. But I fear you are right.
I did not expect this year's elections to be "business as usual". Donald Trump has had a spectacularly successful first year in office - - undoing damage done to us by the criminally incompetent Biden administration - - on virtually every front. Showing up the media for the partisan weasels that they are. Making inroads against an entrenched deep state.
Yet it didn't make a difference. Not even a little bit. Why? Donald Trump has always been, and still remains, a very unpleasant man. But that can't be the whole explanation.
There is something very unhealthy in our current state of politics. I hope we solve it. Because otherwise it will be "the end".
(This post was last modified: 11-05-2025 12:46 PM by AdoptedMonarch.)
(11-05-2025 10:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I wish they would fix the system. Somehow the repubs are unable to even put together a plan to replace the current one.
b/c there isn't one w/o taking monies away from some 'groups'...
it's puttin' back the genie in the bottle scenario...
in politics, that's a death wish...
"It's the Republicans' fault Medical Insurance is bad because they haven't come up with something to replace Obamacare!!!" You can't make this up. I know, how bout you have to get a job to get Medical Insurance if you aren't 100% disabled or 65 or older? Sounds pretty simple to me. Obamacare did what it was supposed to do. Destroy the private medical insurance business so the Feds were in control of your health. What could go wrong? Hey Stink, I see Johnny Dupree is back in business up around your way. People are so stupid.
Your take makes sense. However, if you had control of both chambers and ultimately failed to find a better replacement to Obamacare…then what good are you as a party? That’s also a reasonable take.
like I said, how do you put the genie back in the bottle ... w/o disrupting the current version of status quo, you're politically screwed...
owl #s would be pining Bismark ... #RIP
we all know the goal of zero-care was single payer ... that's the reality...
Ultimately it’s what the majority of the country also wanted then. Otherwise, everyone would be demanding the repeal of Obamacare. Pre Obamacare must had been worse for more Americans than I thought.
(11-05-2025 11:44 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: "It's the Republicans' fault Medical Insurance is bad because they haven't come up with something to replace Obamacare!!!" You can't make this up. I know, how bout you have to get a job to get Medical Insurance if you aren't 100% disabled or 65 or older? Sounds pretty simple to me. Obamacare did what it was supposed to do. Destroy the private medical insurance business so the Feds were in control of your health. What could go wrong? Hey Stink, I see Johnny Dupree is back in business up around your way. People are so stupid.
A couple things here.
1. My personal belief is that Obamacare was intended to bankrupt the healthcare providers, not the insurance companies. The insurance companies are producing HUGE profits while the healthcare providers have been struggling to just get out of the red post covid. The ACA cut reimbursement rates for Medicare and Medicaid patients thus killing our hospitals, especially when their demographics currently has 60-70% of their patients being covered by one of those 2 entities. Last time I saw a breakdown it cost over $115 for every $100 reimbursed for those patients. Those rebursement cuts allowed the Obamacare plans to essentially match those reimbursement rates, exacerbating the situation.
2. A lot of companies don't offer insurance, or if they do they are terribly expensive and don't cover jack ****. Someone having a job does not guarantee them of affordible, quality insurance.
I really don't see any evidence that is the case. There may be some providers struggling but HCA is the largest for profit system in the US and they are doing just fine reported $6B NI on $60B gross in 2024. My own local system Atrium (Advocate Health) is NFP but reported $.5B NI on ~$9B gross.
(11-05-2025 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote: I read an article a few days ago talking about the financial flight from NYC to Texas, that a good part of the infrastructure has already moved, and with Mamdani's win, it is likely to amplify quickly.
There actually is a scenario where Texas replaces NYC as the financial capitol of the world. In the not-so-distant future.
I don't think you're aware of the type of infrastructure thats required. We're talking billions to lay underwater FO between NY-London to get information a few MS faster.
about 3/4 of the trades done on NYSE are done algorithmically. That few MS actually results in $B each year. I think it would cost hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars to offer the kind of infrastructure already set up in NYC.
Whats it cost to lay fiber from Austin to London?
as Tanq mentioned, people can make all kinds of promises (releasing Epstein files on day 1, Mexico will pay for the wall etc). The question is what levers can they actually pull.
Dude, I'm 78 years old. I spent a number of years working in NYC for various companies, including ConEd and others involved in exactly what you are talking about.
Don't tell me you think I'm not aware of the infrastructure it takes. I actually worked in it, doofus. For years.
You act like nothing can be replicated. You realize they did it once, right? Also, there are things called work-arounds. And better technology. And innovation. And expediency. Oh, and satellites.
How do you think they already managed to move some of it to Texas?
Oh, and wipe that water from behind your ears, kid. You are WAY too big for your little boy britches.
you are showing whatever your experience is, you really don't understand this at all.
Latency lag alone would kill anybody trading out of Texas long term with satellites. Not to mention imagine not being able to trade everytime a thunderstorm rolls through Texas. Does that happen ever? A computer trading in NYC has already disseminated information received from London and made a trade before a computer in Texas can even send information to a satellite relay. Not competitive.
I didn't say that there aren't workarounds, or the ability to move to Texas. I said it would cost a lot of money.
Well, they're moving, regardless of your knowledge or lack thereof. And it may get worse with the Commie in charge now.
(11-05-2025 09:39 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote: in FY 2024 NY sent $76B more in federal taxes than it received in federal funds.
Compare that with Mississippi that received $33B more in federal funds than it sent in taxes, and Bammer which received $45B more in funds than it sent in taxes.
California and NY pay for all the welfare MAGA states get.
b/c west coast and NE $$$ are artificially inflated due to the fiat and accrued demand over time ... equilibrium is finally catching up...
you think it's a 'gotcha' moment ... why are many on the west coast and NE leaving in droves today ... watch their housing markets collapse in the not-too-distant ... hell, subprime lending is now trying to make another run at it ... why do ewe think that is, eh?!
sustainability is where youse in the socialist donktard camp always fail in the long version ... #RPPP (rob peter pay paul)
the 'sip would literally be a 3rd world country thanks to republican guidance if it wasn't for the welfare largesse of blue states.
Yourwhole post is conjecture and wishcasting. You hope that the states collapse (even though it hurts miss. welfare in the long run) so you eventually despite decades of being wrong you're proven "right" in the end.
There are parts of "the 'sip" that ARE 3rd world countries and it has nothing to do with "Republican Guidance". It is just the opposite. Those areas have been run by Democrats since the beginning of time, and those areas contribute absolutely NOTHING to the tax base of the state. Mississippi Casinos pay a 16% on GROSS revenue to the state, and has the lottery. That is the ONLY way those that live in the "3rd world" areas pay into the tax base. THOSE areas are the sole reason MS is considered last in everything, even though it is no longer true due to total Republican control for the past decade or so.
I believe it's called the Mississippi Delta where the mostly poor are located.
no doubt ... there's blue counties up and down the mighty miss ... we are an anomaly in the rest of the state with one exception ... take a wild guess ... yepper ... mail-it-inn by affidavit only ... we lose that, we're toast like the others...
pay att'n to Eagleaidaholic ... he knows wayyyyyyyy more than I do about the histrionics...
(11-05-2025 12:22 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote: Fat Commie Dude really can't get over the fact Biden sucked, Obama was horsecrap, and Trump is better than both. Sad.
Tubby, your trolls are getting more lame as time goes by. Now THAT is sad.
(11-05-2025 12:50 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: I really don't see any evidence that is the case. There may be some providers struggling but HCA is the largest for profit system in the US and they are doing just fine reported $6B NI on $60B gross in 2024. My own local system Atrium (Advocate Health) is NFP but reported $.5B NI on ~$9B gross.
5% profit is basically zero, especially when they then have to take that money and reinvest it into technology and facilities.
(11-05-2025 12:50 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: I really don't see any evidence that is the case. There may be some providers struggling but HCA is the largest for profit system in the US and they are doing just fine reported $6B NI on $60B gross in 2024. My own local system Atrium (Advocate Health) is NFP but reported $.5B NI on ~$9B gross.
5% profit is basically zero, especially when they then have to take that money and reinvest it into technology and facilities.
Net income is not profit. Advocate Health is not for profit.
(11-05-2025 10:30 AM)stinkfist Wrote: b/c there isn't one w/o taking monies away from some 'groups'...
it's puttin' back the genie in the bottle scenario...
in politics, that's a death wish...
"It's the Republicans' fault Medical Insurance is bad because they haven't come up with something to replace Obamacare!!!" You can't make this up. I know, how bout you have to get a job to get Medical Insurance if you aren't 100% disabled or 65 or older? Sounds pretty simple to me. Obamacare did what it was supposed to do. Destroy the private medical insurance business so the Feds were in control of your health. What could go wrong? Hey Stink, I see Johnny Dupree is back in business up around your way. People are so stupid.
Your take makes sense. However, if you had control of both chambers and ultimately failed to find a better replacement to Obamacare…then what good are you as a party? That’s also a reasonable take.
like I said, how do you put the genie back in the bottle ... w/o disrupting the current version of status quo, you're politically screwed...
owl #s would be pining Bismark ... #RIP
we all know the goal of zero-care was single payer ... that's the reality...
Ultimately it’s what the majority of the country also wanted then. Otherwise, everyone would be demanding the repeal of Obamacare. Pre Obamacare must had been worse for more Americans than I thought.
when one is told "they can keep their current plan w/o impact", fool's gold becomes easier to chase...
it's amazing how too many believe healthcare is a fundamental right whilst being mismanaged to the hilt ... sheeple will believe anything ... it's the crux of the donktard platform...
that's how/when the robber barons' part deux, pounce ... they know the meek will not inherit but will vote in their 'flavor' until it's too late ... there isn't a solution after that...
the middle class is being splayed for a reason ... and too many of those from their womb are lost due to such in insolvency...
it's just a matter of when the shite hits the proverbial ... I see Dutch tulips for the bulk...
(11-05-2025 12:50 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: I really don't see any evidence that is the case. There may be some providers struggling but HCA is the largest for profit system in the US and they are doing just fine reported $6B NI on $60B gross in 2024. My own local system Atrium (Advocate Health) is NFP but reported $.5B NI on ~$9B gross.
5% profit is basically zero, especially when they then have to take that money and reinvest it into technology and facilities.
Net income is not profit. Advocate Health is not for profit.
more accounting chicanery ... it is the bottom line...
(11-05-2025 12:50 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: I really don't see any evidence that is the case. There may be some providers struggling but HCA is the largest for profit system in the US and they are doing just fine reported $6B NI on $60B gross in 2024. My own local system Atrium (Advocate Health) is NFP but reported $.5B NI on ~$9B gross.
5% profit is basically zero, especially when they then have to take that money and reinvest it into technology and facilities.
Net income is not profit. Advocate Health is not for profit.
(11-05-2025 09:51 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: The biggest myth of politics is that the political center is right-of-center economically and left-of-center culturally. It's the exact opposite of that. The only people who believe that are those that only socialize with people on the cocktail circuit.
Steve Bannon is basically right. We can either get rid of all the social Darwinist weirdos that want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare or we can lose the culture wars. If we let all of these globalist billionaires wreck the social safety net the left will inevitably take power and win on issues like men in women's sports, open borders, DEI, etc.
It's amazing to me that some Republicans thought this election would go well for them when you're basically holding substantial premium increases over the American people. MTG is also right, BTW. If you don't want universal health care Republicans will have to fix the health care system.
I wish they would fix the system. Somehow the repubs are unable to even put together a plan to replace the current one.
b/c there isn't one w/o taking monies away from some 'groups'...
it's puttin' back the genie in the bottle scenario...
in politics, that's a death wish...
"It's the Republicans' fault Medical Insurance is bad because they haven't come up with something to replace Obamacare!!!" You can't make this up. I know, how bout you have to get a job to get Medical Insurance if you aren't 100% disabled or 65 or older? Sounds pretty simple to me. Obamacare did what it was supposed to do. Destroy the private medical insurance business so the Feds were in control of your health. What could go wrong? Hey Stink, I see Johnny Dupree is back in business up around your way. People are so stupid.
Your take makes sense. However, if you had control of both chambers and ultimately failed to find a better replacement to Obamacare…then what good are you as a party? That’s also a reasonable take.
To which party are you referring? The Dems broke it and didn't fix it knowing what they did was expiring.
(11-05-2025 12:50 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: I really don't see any evidence that is the case. There may be some providers struggling but HCA is the largest for profit system in the US and they are doing just fine reported $6B NI on $60B gross in 2024. My own local system Atrium (Advocate Health) is NFP but reported $.5B NI on ~$9B gross.
5% profit is basically zero, especially when they then have to take that money and reinvest it into technology and facilities.
Net income is not profit. Advocate Health is not for profit.
(11-05-2025 12:50 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: I really don't see any evidence that is the case. There may be some providers struggling but HCA is the largest for profit system in the US and they are doing just fine reported $6B NI on $60B gross in 2024. My own local system Atrium (Advocate Health) is NFP but reported $.5B NI on ~$9B gross.
5% profit is basically zero, especially when they then have to take that money and reinvest it into technology and facilities.
Net income is not profit. Advocate Health is not for profit.
So they are barely pulling 5% margin, if that. Look up what successful businesses look for in terms of margin in order to be able to have financial stability. I'll clue you in, 10-15% minimum. This is healthcare, and it is absolutely needed by everyone, but you still have to be able to sustain, reinvest, and upgrade at all times or you risk the best patient outcomes.
(11-05-2025 01:00 PM)mlb Wrote: 5% profit is basically zero, especially when they then have to take that money and reinvest it into technology and facilities.
Net income is not profit. Advocate Health is not for profit.
So they are barely pulling 5% margin, if that. Look up what successful businesses look for in terms of margin in order to be able to have financial stability. I'll clue you in, 10-15% minimum. This is healthcare, and it is absolutely needed by everyone, but you still have to be able to sustain, reinvest, and upgrade at all times or you risk the best patient outcomes.
It's NOT "healthcare". It is health insurance. Health care is a service that requires payment.
