All that Cialis, Viagra, and Nugenix Total-T Doug Flutie may have recommended Bill to take, that energy could be re-channeled into coaching tasks. The second runner up to Miss Maine can get off the sidelines and focus on her pilates until the off-season.

(10-09-2025 08:46 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  All that Cialis, Viagra, and Nugenix Total-T Doug Flutie may have recommended Bill to take, that energy could be re-channeled into coaching tasks. The second runner up to Miss Maine can get off the sidelines and focus on her pilates until the off-season.

Hey, Pilates is really hard! Um, so I heard, anyway.

(10-08-2025 08:10 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  They really don't have a choice. He is a disaster. I thought this was a dumb move when they hired him. It's even is even worse than I thought it would be. Who ever hired him should be fired.

Don't you want them to at least wait until your return game before firing him?? Come on man, think strategically!

The real negative is the attention isn’t translating to eyeballs

I give UNC credit for giving it a try. But it doesn’t seem like Bill has what it takes to be successful in the situation

(10-09-2025 09:45 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  The real negative is the attention isn’t translating to eyeballs

I give UNC credit for giving it a try. But it doesn’t seem like Bill has what it takes to be successful in the situation

You think they'd have gotten 6.1m for that opening game with TCU without Belichick there? The rest of their games haven't done well b/c the team stinks, but if the team improves, then there's plenty of reason for the networks to feature them and for curious sports fans to tune in when they do.

(10-09-2025 09:52 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 09:45 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  The real negative is the attention isn’t translating to eyeballs

I give UNC credit for giving it a try. But it doesn’t seem like Bill has what it takes to be successful in the situation

You think they'd have gotten 6.1m for that opening game with TCU without Belichick there? The rest of their games haven't done well b/c the team stinks, but if the team improves, then there's plenty of reason for the networks to feature them and for curious sports fans to tune in when they do.

Likely close to that. Opening weekend is opening weekend, there’s ample data to support that.

There is no denying they’re not getting good ratings. That’s very unlikely to change.

A coach under scrutiny for dating a comely gal 17 years younger than his daughter must win big or face criticism and ridicule.

(10-09-2025 07:29 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 07:28 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  There are seven games left, and it isn’t exactly murderers’ row. I want to see what they can do.

It would be foolish and even more embarrassing IMO to push him out now. But the chancellor or somebody should come out and give a blatant vote of confidence. How can they expect a team to function while the administration is not supporting them?

Personally, I think BB will never be successful at UNC. I am firmly in the camp that thinks he never did anything without Brady and never will.

But I have to admit the rush to judgement on social media is kind of breathtaking. He's playing this season without his first crop of recruits and the big boost in NIL behind it, and we're just 5 games into the season.

It arguably is the fastest stampede of this kind ever.

Well, he built elite defenses in NY and Cleveland and helped the Giants win two Super Bowls. The Patriots had some of the best defenses in the league during his run. They went 11-5 with perennial backup Matt Cassel and made the playoffs I believe once post-Brady.

It’s a lot easier for an elite QB to pick their destination (Tampa) than a coach to cobble the amount of players required to be successful.

So I disagree. Brady also had some great OC’s and he’d be the first to admit Belichick is a great coach.

I should clarify that when I say he "never did anything without Brady", I mean as an HC. He is unquestionably one of the great defensive minds in the history of football, and arguably the GOAT NFL defensive coordinator. But as an HC, his role at UNC now, IMO he was never anything without Brady, the data on that is IMO overwhelming.

(10-09-2025 11:12 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A coach under scrutiny for dating a comely gal 17 years younger than his daughter must win big or face criticism and ridicule.

A coach under scrutiny for dating a comely gal can win on the field or take the buyout and go home to the gal.

There’s not really a downside to that gig.

Fans are just fans. They’re always on about something.

(10-09-2025 11:40 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 11:12 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A coach under scrutiny for dating a comely gal 17 years younger than his daughter must win big or face criticism and ridicule.

A coach under scrutiny for dating a comely gal can win on the field or take the buyout and go home to the gal.

There’s not really a downside to that gig.

Fans are just fans. They’re always on about something.

We should also all keep in mind that UNC and Belichick have ruffled a whole lot of feathers in the past few months, and a whole lot of competitors have good reason to spread rumors. If he didn't have a 24 gf, people would just focus more on his age. If he was 50, people would just focus on the 2-3 record. If they were 5-0, then people would focus on alleged impermissible benefits (like free tickets to family...um, is that impermissible?). If they win the national title, people would just say that it was luck and couldn't happen twice. This comes with the territory when you hire someone with Belichick's success and reputation. And from that angle, he's been everything UNC could have hoped for and more. Doesn't mean they won't fire him this year or next ofc, but that would probably necessitate changes at the top b/c the people who hired him are still running things at present.

(10-08-2025 03:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 02:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:34 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Again I ask: could the ramifications effect any potential UNC moves in the future?

I am sure that there are those who would like to believe that it could impact a potential future move, but I have my doubts. A rogue trustee can be replaced but the trustees in general signed off on the hiring of Belichick. Then there are the issues within the administration which are where the factions are. Belichick is an easy target, but the portal alone does not a team make and to expect anyone to turn around the UNC football mess in one year without much of a headstart is unreasonable. Belichick is high profile so making a political football out of him is just an easy excuse for raising controversy. Remember any old coot seemingly being escorted by a lovely young ingenue gets to experience having his competency questioned and if it's working for him his ethics.

How does the

My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

Speaking of the NCBOG, how does the governor of North Carolina feel about all of this P2 or bust movement? That's one entity in the NC government that I have not heard from yet. Doesn't the NC governor have the power to fire/terminate any member of the NC BOG for any reason?? Or does he/she have to have cause???[/align]

(10-09-2025 12:32 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 03:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 02:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:34 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Again I ask: could the ramifications effect any potential UNC moves in the future?

I am sure that there are those who would like to believe that it could impact a potential future move, but I have my doubts. A rogue trustee can be replaced but the trustees in general signed off on the hiring of Belichick. Then there are the issues within the administration which are where the factions are. Belichick is an easy target, but the portal alone does not a team make and to expect anyone to turn around the UNC football mess in one year without much of a headstart is unreasonable. Belichick is high profile so making a political football out of him is just an easy excuse for raising controversy. Remember any old coot seemingly being escorted by a lovely young ingenue gets to experience having his competency questioned and if it's working for him his ethics.

How does the

My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

Speaking of the NCBOG, how does the governor of North Carolina feel about all of this P2 or bust movement? That's one entity in the NC government that I have not heard from yet. Doesn't the NC governor have the power to fire/terminate any member of the NC BOG for any reason?? Or does he/she have to have cause???[/align]

I've not heard Josh Stein (our governor) say anything about UNC athletics. He grew up in Chapel Hill but attended Harvard and Dartmouth, so I'm not sure where his loyalties lie.

He does not have the power to terminate any NCBOG members, period.

(10-09-2025 01:25 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:32 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 03:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 02:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:34 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Again I ask: could the ramifications effect any potential UNC moves in the future?

I am sure that there are those who would like to believe that it could impact a potential future move, but I have my doubts. A rogue trustee can be replaced but the trustees in general signed off on the hiring of Belichick. Then there are the issues within the administration which are where the factions are. Belichick is an easy target, but the portal alone does not a team make and to expect anyone to turn around the UNC football mess in one year without much of a headstart is unreasonable. Belichick is high profile so making a political football out of him is just an easy excuse for raising controversy. Remember any old coot seemingly being escorted by a lovely young ingenue gets to experience having his competency questioned and if it's working for him his ethics.

How does the

My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

Speaking of the NCBOG, how does the governor of North Carolina feel about all of this P2 or bust movement? That's one entity in the NC government that I have not heard from yet. Doesn't the NC governor have the power to fire/terminate any member of the NC BOG for any reason?? Or does he/she have to have cause???[/align]

I've not heard Josh Stein (our governor) say anything about UNC athletics. He grew up in Chapel Hill but attended Harvard and Dartmouth, so I'm not sure where his loyalties lie.

He does not have the power to terminate any NCBOG members, period.

I'm in the Seattle area, but didn't the NCBOG go through a shift recently, in the member representation or background?

(10-09-2025 02:38 PM)WhidbeyWolf Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 01:25 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:32 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 03:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 02:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I am sure that there are those who would like to believe that it could impact a potential future move, but I have my doubts. A rogue trustee can be replaced but the trustees in general signed off on the hiring of Belichick. Then there are the issues within the administration which are where the factions are. Belichick is an easy target, but the portal alone does not a team make and to expect anyone to turn around the UNC football mess in one year without much of a headstart is unreasonable. Belichick is high profile so making a political football out of him is just an easy excuse for raising controversy. Remember any old coot seemingly being escorted by a lovely young ingenue gets to experience having his competency questioned and if it's working for him his ethics.

How does the

My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

Speaking of the NCBOG, how does the governor of North Carolina feel about all of this P2 or bust movement? That's one entity in the NC government that I have not heard from yet. Doesn't the NC governor have the power to fire/terminate any member of the NC BOG for any reason?? Or does he/she have to have cause???[/align]

I've not heard Josh Stein (our governor) say anything about UNC athletics. He grew up in Chapel Hill but attended Harvard and Dartmouth, so I'm not sure where his loyalties lie.

He does not have the power to terminate any NCBOG members, period.

I'm in the Seattle area, but didn't the NCBOG go through a shift recently, in the member representation or background?

I assume that you are from Whidbey Island ?

I have been to Whidbey Island several times. My father-in-law was a 23 year Marine Gunnery Sergeant who did three tours in Vietnam and retired there.

He mostly spent his retirement fishing from his boat.

Beautiful island and area.

(10-09-2025 02:38 PM)WhidbeyWolf Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 01:25 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:32 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 03:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 02:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I am sure that there are those who would like to believe that it could impact a potential future move, but I have my doubts. A rogue trustee can be replaced but the trustees in general signed off on the hiring of Belichick. Then there are the issues within the administration which are where the factions are. Belichick is an easy target, but the portal alone does not a team make and to expect anyone to turn around the UNC football mess in one year without much of a headstart is unreasonable. Belichick is high profile so making a political football out of him is just an easy excuse for raising controversy. Remember any old coot seemingly being escorted by a lovely young ingenue gets to experience having his competency questioned and if it's working for him his ethics.

How does the

My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

Speaking of the NCBOG, how does the governor of North Carolina feel about all of this P2 or bust movement? That's one entity in the NC government that I have not heard from yet. Doesn't the NC governor have the power to fire/terminate any member of the NC BOG for any reason?? Or does he/she have to have cause???[/align]

I've not heard Josh Stein (our governor) say anything about UNC athletics. He grew up in Chapel Hill but attended Harvard and Dartmouth, so I'm not sure where his loyalties lie.

He does not have the power to terminate any NCBOG members, period.

I'm in the Seattle area, but didn't the NCBOG go through a shift recently, in the member representation or background?

I'm not sure about the shift but the members can be found here.

(10-09-2025 02:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 02:38 PM)WhidbeyWolf Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 01:25 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:32 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 03:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  How does the

My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

Speaking of the NCBOG, how does the governor of North Carolina feel about all of this P2 or bust movement? That's one entity in the NC government that I have not heard from yet. Doesn't the NC governor have the power to fire/terminate any member of the NC BOG for any reason?? Or does he/she have to have cause???[/align]

I've not heard Josh Stein (our governor) say anything about UNC athletics. He grew up in Chapel Hill but attended Harvard and Dartmouth, so I'm not sure where his loyalties lie.

He does not have the power to terminate any NCBOG members, period.

I'm in the Seattle area, but didn't the NCBOG go through a shift recently, in the member representation or background?

I assume that you are from Whidbey Island ?

I have been to Whidbey Island several times. My father-in-law was a 23 year Marine Gunnery Sergeant who did three tours in Vietnam and retired there.

He mostly spent his retirement fishing from his boat.

Beautiful island and area.

You bet! Retired here, pre-covid. Navy Vietnam vet. God's country, and it wasn't even our first choice. Been in PNW since '79 grad.
Mother was a Marine. Semper fi

Come back soon.

(10-09-2025 07:29 AM):pissed:Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 07:28 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  There are seven games left, and it isn’t exactly murderers’ row. I want to see what they can do.

It would be foolish and even more embarrassing IMO to push him out now. But the chancellor or somebody should come out and give a blatant vote of confidence. How can they expect a team to function while the administration is not supporting them?

Personally, I think BB will never be successful at UNC. I am firmly in the camp that thinks he never did anything without Brady and never will.

But I have to admit the rush to judgement on social media is kind of breathtaking. He's playing this season without his first crop of recruits and the big boost in NIL behind it, and we're just 5 games into the season.

It arguably is the fastest stampede of this kind ever.

Well, he built elite defenses in NY and Cleveland and helped the Giants win two Super Bowls. The Patriots had some of the best defenses in the league during his run. They went 11-5 with perennial backup Matt Cassel and made the playoffs I believe once post-Brady.

It’s a lot easier for an elite QB to pick their destination (Tampa) than a coach to cobble the amount of players required to be successful.

So I disagree. Brady also had some great OC’s and he’d be the first to admit Belichick is a great coach.

The solution would be to bring in Charlie Weis as UNC’s OC?

(10-09-2025 11:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 07:29 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 07:28 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  There are seven games left, and it isn’t exactly murderers’ row. I want to see what they can do.

It would be foolish and even more embarrassing IMO to push him out now. But the chancellor or somebody should come out and give a blatant vote of confidence. How can they expect a team to function while the administration is not supporting them?

Personally, I think BB will never be successful at UNC. I am firmly in the camp that thinks he never did anything without Brady and never will.

But I have to admit the rush to judgement on social media is kind of breathtaking. He's playing this season without his first crop of recruits and the big boost in NIL behind it, and we're just 5 games into the season.

It arguably is the fastest stampede of this kind ever.

Well, he built elite defenses in NY and Cleveland and helped the Giants win two Super Bowls. The Patriots had some of the best defenses in the league during his run. They went 11-5 with perennial backup Matt Cassel and made the playoffs I believe once post-Brady.

It’s a lot easier for an elite QB to pick their destination (Tampa) than a coach to cobble the amount of players required to be successful.

So I disagree. Brady also had some great OC’s and he’d be the first to admit Belichick is a great coach.

I should clarify that when I say he "never did anything without Brady", I mean as an HC. He is unquestionably one of the great defensive minds in the history of football, and arguably the GOAT NFL defensive coordinator. But as an HC, his role at UNC now, IMO he was never anything without Brady, the data on that is IMO overwhelming.

Well, it’s actually not because as I pointed out his defenses were excellent to elite during Brady’s run. Brady handpicked a perfect situation in Tampa and had his TE join him.

Unless Brady was out there picking off passes and causing INTs and I missed it? Of course it’s silly to say one man wins Super Bowls because if that were the case I have to point out Dan Marino.

(10-09-2025 03:46 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 07:29 AM):pissed:Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 07:28 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  There are seven games left, and it isn’t exactly murderers’ row. I want to see what they can do.

It would be foolish and even more embarrassing IMO to push him out now. But the chancellor or somebody should come out and give a blatant vote of confidence. How can they expect a team to function while the administration is not supporting them?

Personally, I think BB will never be successful at UNC. I am firmly in the camp that thinks he never did anything without Brady and never will.

But I have to admit the rush to judgement on social media is kind of breathtaking. He's playing this season without his first crop of recruits and the big boost in NIL behind it, and we're just 5 games into the season.

It arguably is the fastest stampede of this kind ever.

Well, he built elite defenses in NY and Cleveland and helped the Giants win two Super Bowls. The Patriots had some of the best defenses in the league during his run. They went 11-5 with perennial backup Matt Cassel and made the playoffs I believe once post-Brady.

It’s a lot easier for an elite QB to pick their destination (Tampa) than a coach to cobble the amount of players required to be successful.

So I disagree. Brady also had some great OC’s and he’d be the first to admit Belichick is a great coach.

The solution would be to bring in Charlie Weis as UNC’s OC?

Wow that would be a firehose of fuel!

Seriously, Jordon Hudson needs to step away from the sidelines, the locker room, athletic offices, press conferences, football practices, and campus business meetings.

Fine if she is accompanying BB to social events, banquets/dinners with guests, watching sporting events on campus from reserved seats or the boxes, and other campus events accessible to the public.

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