(09-17-2025 06:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:34 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:04 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 05:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let's see, whom should I trust about this particular case?

Kash Patel, or some anonymous dude on a message board with the name 513Alex, who just showed up recently? Duh...

OK AAA. You made a mistake I posted anomalies and you posted a slight dig on me personally. You did not address what I posted. Kash Patel and Bondi have not done chit. Who benefits from Kirk's death? How long ago did the FBI set up innocent people in the Whitmer thing. They tried to stick Trump and all of his associates in prison for life. Now we Trust them?

I didn't make a mistake. I'm allowed to post as I see fit. I read your post. I simply disagree, and I explained my position on some of those points earlier. Guess you missed it.

I'm not going to argue with you point by point, b/c neither of us knows anything beyond the media reports, so it's like two blind men talking about how hot the chick in the room with us is.

There is a LOT of evidence that has been shared, but they never share everything. Robinson's dad turned him in. That's pretty convincing by itself. Everything else also points to him. Is it all cut and dried? Of course not. Things like this never are.

If I see additional evidence going the other way, I'm certainly open to changing my opinion.

As for trusting the FBI in general, I didn't trust Comey or Wray, b/c they got caught in lies over the years.

I haven't had that experience with Patel yet, so he has the benefit of the doubt, until he proves untrustworthy.

None of us know anything b/c we aren't involved. You never get the full story from the media. Let's see how it goes.

Thank you very much! Let's not forget Mueller and of course J. Edgar probably the most corrupt federal employee in the history of the USA.

Trust me on this. The crime scene was never secured. The TPUSA cameras were removed really fast. They had about 4 of them.

you keep going backwards when forward is today ... you can't back up any of your bs...

and remember the key point to all this ... there was only one shot...

you fk'n weirdos crack my arse up...

Big mistake. Show me where the crime scene was secured? Don't make it personal.

Wow. Have you read the actual legal documents filed by the *local* officer? The text conversation is not anything abnormal. Stupid as can be from a legal liability perspective, but nothing abnormal. May be we just communicate differently out here in Utah.

Just. Wow.

(09-17-2025 06:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Right, it had to be broken down in the backpack. Lets just be logical----if he had any intention of escaping---he couldnt be walking away from the campus with a rifle visible. That would have attracted attention even without a shooting. Logic says he broke it down before bailing off the roof.

How and when did it get put back together?

I can't believe so many people just automatically believe the FBI after everything they've done in recent memory.

(09-17-2025 06:47 PM)YNot Wrote:  Wow. Have you read the actual legal documents filed by the *local* officer? The text conversation is not anything abnormal. Stupid as can be from a legal liability perspective, but nothing abnormal. May be we just communicate differently out here in Utah.

Just. Wow.

This might be the worst lie ever told. Nobody believes this. Why would you post something so absurd.

Most of you make fun of leftists for blindly believing everything they're told. How is this different?

(09-17-2025 06:50 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I can't believe so many people just automatically believe the FBI after everything [b]they've done in recent memory.[/b]

Their entire history. Yeah they snatch some ponzi bros and bank robbers but seriously Comey did a 302 on Trump then lied about it. They are not boyscouts.

(09-17-2025 06:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Right, it had to be broken down in the backpack. Lets just be logical----if he had any intention of escaping---he couldnt be walking away from the campus with a rifle visible. That would have attracted attention even without a shooting. Logic says he broke it down before bailing off the roof.

How and when did it get put back together?

Law enforcement may have done it. They would have to assemble the gun to do any testing on the rifle. Frankly, I have little problem believing the story so far because the FBI has relatively little to do with it. Both suspects (the initial suspect at the scene) and the current one each either identified themselves as the shooter or admitted to family members that they were the shooter. The FBI had no idea the guy on their videos was Tyler Robinson---so how'd they get his grandfather's gun, put text messages on his room mates phone, and get his DNA on the roof top and the gun that quickly? The FBI just isnt that good. This case is falling together because there wasnt much of a plan. I mean---he didnt even wear a mask when he had to know cameras were all over campus. It didnt take a Jason Bourne to do this. Kirk wasnt a president. There was no secret service. There was no outer perimeter. All he had was a small security detail that was likely designed to protect him from up close-in physical threats. He apparently didnt even wear a bullet proof vest. I dont think they even thought something like this was a legit concern.

(09-17-2025 06:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 02:30 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

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(09-17-2025 01:40 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 12:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, we usually agree on most things here. This one is an exception.

I don't consider it too much too fast. I consider it overwhelming evidence, and LE got unbelievably lucky. Quickly.

But if additional evidence is more overwhelming, and points elsewhere, then I'm good with that, too.

Just curious. What are the inconsistencies that are bothering you?

1. The photo of the person captured in video on the steps does not look like Robinson. Similar features like age, dark hair, etc., but the individual they released to the public and the person now detained has a different jaw line, nose, and ears.

2. The way in which the affidavit describes the rifle gives the indication that it was fully in tact when recovered. Granted it's not stated explicitly but it does discuss the scope still in tact so not describing a broken down weapon in the affidavit would be a significant oversight if so. Yet, there is no rifle seen on egress when he jumped down from the rooftop. It's unlikely he's going to be able to fit a full rifle in a backpack. Even if he was wearing one of the extended length backpacks wouldn't fit. If it was a duffel bag where did it come from, because he was not seen with one earlier?

3. So that takes us back to the rooftop and screwdriver. Let's assume he broke it down even though the affidavit doesn't paint that picture. Let's pretend that's what happened. So, he's going to fire the shot, grab the tool, break it down with the screw driver with all that adrenaline flowing, stuff it in his backpack, run all the way back across the roof to where he exited and do all that in the same minute the shot was fired? That's pretty impressive for an untrained person who only started "planning" this a week earlier, was using his grandfather's gun which he probably hasn't fired but a few times in his life if at all.

I mean there's a pretty big leap of faith here on all that. That said, I get updated on it tomorrow so won't be able to talk about it after that. This is just my opinion based off of experience and what I've seen online and in media so far. I hope they have the guy and there isn't a bigger conspiracy belying all this. I'm just not there yet. Maybe I will be tomorrow.

Hi might have used the screwdriver to reassemble it BEFORE the shot. Once he took the shot he had to scram. Didn't have time to disassemble (remove the scope). Left the screwdriver and ran.
Dumped the rifle because it would look too conspicuous to see some dude walking around with a rifle shortly after someone was assassinated.

In this scenario it's the period between egress and dumping the rifle that's the issue. He didn't leave it on the rooftop or at the base of the building. We have video of him jumping off the rooftop. There is no rifle present. Or anything resembling something wrapped in a towel.

Right, it had to be broken down in the backpack. Lets just be logical----if he had any intention of escaping---he couldnt be walking away from the campus with a rifle visible. That would have attracted attention even without a shooting. Logic says he broke it down before bailing off the roof. The assumption the rifle was found fully assembled is just an assumption that has no real basis right now.

Exactly what I've been saying, in so many words. My guess would be it was broken down and wrapped in the towel. Otherwise, it would likely be sticking out of his backpack.

I would say he assembled it on the roof, and disassembled it before exiting the roof. We all know he wasn't carrying it out in the open as he left the roof. Yet it appeared in the woods in the exact direction he left campus, and in the spot where he supposedly changed clothes.

OR...he carried it onto the roof, assembled it, then after the shot, somehow stuffed it into that bag still fully assembled, and took it out in the woods to get his change of clothes, then left it there, and either way, regretted it later, trying to return and retrieve it.

(09-17-2025 05:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Let's see, whom should I trust about this particular case?

Kash Patel, or some anonymous dude on a message board with the name 513Alex, who just showed up recently? Duh...

Lol, right. Who are these people?

I'm not telling anyone to trust anyone. I'm in fact saying just the opposite.

Kash Patel is the director of the FBI. He is not out in the field working this case.

Will Oswald 2.0 get Jacob Rubensteined anytime soon? Over under?

(09-17-2025 07:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Kash Patel is the director of the FBI. He is not out in the field working this case.

He should have been a red eye to Utah today. If not no confidence.

(09-17-2025 06:50 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I can't believe so many people just automatically believe the FBI after everything they've done in recent memory.

I don't believe the FBI. I believe Patel and Bongino because I've listened to them for a few years now. I have a track record with them.

Does that mean they're being honest with us right now? No. But their mission per this administration is to get the FBI back on track.


Look at the crap Patel had to deal with today and yesterday from libs in congress. They don't like what he's done with the FBI. For me, that fact alone actually serves as an early endorsement on their job so far.

(09-17-2025 06:47 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:34 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2025 06:04 PM)513Alex Wrote:  OK AAA. You made a mistake I posted anomalies and you posted a slight dig on me personally. You did not address what I posted. Kash Patel and Bondi have not done chit. Who benefits from Kirk's death? How long ago did the FBI set up innocent people in the Whitmer thing. They tried to stick Trump and all of his associates in prison for life. Now we Trust them?

I didn't make a mistake. I'm allowed to post as I see fit. I read your post. I simply disagree, and I explained my position on some of those points earlier. Guess you missed it.

I'm not going to argue with you point by point, b/c neither of us knows anything beyond the media reports, so it's like two blind men talking about how hot the chick in the room with us is.

There is a LOT of evidence that has been shared, but they never share everything. Robinson's dad turned him in. That's pretty convincing by itself. Everything else also points to him. Is it all cut and dried? Of course not. Things like this never are.

If I see additional evidence going the other way, I'm certainly open to changing my opinion.

As for trusting the FBI in general, I didn't trust Comey or Wray, b/c they got caught in lies over the years.

I haven't had that experience with Patel yet, so he has the benefit of the doubt, until he proves untrustworthy.

None of us know anything b/c we aren't involved. You never get the full story from the media. Let's see how it goes.

Thank you very much! Let's not forget Mueller and of course J. Edgar probably the most corrupt federal employee in the history of the USA.

Trust me on this. The crime scene was never secured. The TPUSA cameras were removed really fast. They had about 4 of them.

you keep going backwards when forward is today ... you can't back up any of your bs...

and remember the key point to all this ... there was only one shot...

you fk'n weirdos crack my arse up...

Big mistake. Show me where the crime scene was secured? Don't make it personal.

I don't play these stupid games ... go find someone else...

I feel like I've stumbled into the Flat Earth Society chat group.

(09-17-2025 07:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Kash Patel is the director of the FBI. He is not out in the field working this case.

He was. He and Bongino flew out to Utah right after the shooting, b/c he was afraid if the FBI worked at their normal speed, it would be a disadvantage. He was in the live presser and even said a few words.

He stayed untill after they had the shooter in custody.

(09-17-2025 07:06 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I feel like I've stumbled into the Flat Earth Society chat group.

No sh!t. I feel the same.

(09-17-2025 07:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm not telling anyone to trust anyone. I'm in fact saying just the opposite.

It's been what 5 days? There is literally nothing on this guy or his gay trans lover Lance Twigg. Nothing? There had to be hundreds of zoomers who grew up with them and knew them pretty well, right? Do we know anything about Crooks? Nothing. How is this possible?