I think they don't know squat yet.

(09-11-2025 03:59 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I think they don't know squat yet.

Yeah, I think the problem is coming out of LE on site. They have put out a lot of info since this happened that they had to change later.

The 300 yard number came from a former FBI agent talking on Fox a few hours ago.

Someone else told me they heard the FBI say 200 meters last night.

Who knows?

(09-11-2025 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:31 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:17 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 02:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  apparently dumped in the woods when he fled.

(09-11-2025 02:37 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Found in the nearby woods wrapped in a towel.

There's a lot of contradictory info flying around so hopefully we'll get reliable answers soon:

how in the fk does he know that...

That's a good question, stink. And I'm as perplexed as you are because I don't have an answer for you.

Michael "savage" says it all...

I'm not saying he's right or wrong and I have no problem with anyone being skeptical, but for anyone who isn't familiar, Savage is not some obscure internet rando.

(09-11-2025 04:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:59 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I think they don't know squat yet.

Yeah, I think the problem is coming out of LE on site. They have put out a lot of info since this happened that they had to change later.

The 300 yard number came from a former FBI agent talking on Fox a few hours ago.

Someone else told me they heard the FBI say 200 meters last night.

Who knows?

if they know where the shot was fired, it's pretty simple to calculate an accurate number...

200 meters = 218 yards ... #semantics

the whole distance thingy is really strange debating in scope...

muh hypotenuse...

(09-11-2025 03:01 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  When is the next press conference scheduled?

It was originally scheduled at 3 pm ET, but has been postponed. At first reported this was due to "rapidly moving developments," but now Fox is saying Patel and Bongino are headed to Utah, and they are waiting on their arrival.

I wasn't sure if I should post this as it is absolutely NOT verified (actually found it as a Michael Savage repost - see above), but fwiw:

(09-11-2025 04:14 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I wasn't sure if I should post this (actually found it as a Michael Savage repost - see above), but fwiw:

If this is true, it would explain so much.

(09-11-2025 03:04 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He also likely missed by a foot regardless of his aim point. Forehead or center mass.

Missing by 12 inches left and either high or low at 200 yards is how native Americans say "empty freezer for bad hunter".

FBI agent said a couple of hours ago that, based on the shooter's position, the height of the tent overhang, and the fact that Kirk is 6-5 and was sitting up on a chair that lifted him way above his desk, that the neck is probably as high as the shooter could visibly aim.

That supposedly leaves the chest, but apparently, the angle the shooter had presented the neck more readily than the chest.

If true, the shooter took the best shot he had.

Another point. So much info has changed so often that I wouldn't trust anything being reported at the moment.

(09-11-2025 04:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 04:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:59 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I think they don't know squat yet.

Yeah, I think the problem is coming out of LE on site. They have put out a lot of info since this happened that they had to change later.

The 300 yard number came from a former FBI agent talking on Fox a few hours ago.

Someone else told me they heard the FBI say 200 meters last night.

Who knows?

if they know where the shot was fired, it's pretty simple to calculate an accurate number...

200 meters = 218 yards ... #semantics

the whole distance thingy is really strange debating in scope...

muh hypotenuse...

I just measured it on Google Earth with the measurement feature and it comes out to about 130 meters.
Google Earth View
The sniper nest was on the second point on the roof on the gray roof. The white roof was nearly in the line of site.

(09-11-2025 04:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 04:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:59 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I think they don't know squat yet.

Yeah, I think the problem is coming out of LE on site. They have put out a lot of info since this happened that they had to change later.

The 300 yard number came from a former FBI agent talking on Fox a few hours ago.

Someone else told me they heard the FBI say 200 meters last night.

Who knows?

if they know where the shot was fired, it's pretty simple to calculate an accurate number...

200 meters = 218 yards ... #semantics

the whole distance thingy is really strange debating in scope...

muh hypotenuse...

Seems like every thing they have released has changed at least once, so who knows?

(09-11-2025 04:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 04:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 04:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:59 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I think they don't know squat yet.

Yeah, I think the problem is coming out of LE on site. They have put out a lot of info since this happened that they had to change later.

The 300 yard number came from a former FBI agent talking on Fox a few hours ago.

Someone else told me they heard the FBI say 200 meters last night.

Who knows?

if they know where the shot was fired, it's pretty simple to calculate an accurate number...

200 meters = 218 yards ... #semantics

the whole distance thingy is really strange debating in scope...

muh hypotenuse...

Seems like every thing they have released has changed at least once, so who knows?

it's high profile ... lot of pressure being exhibited ... toss in the internutz, and it's to be expected exponentially...

however, the distance is a constant at this point .... the number shouldn't be up for debate...

again, almost no one has mentioned the wind that was howling except the shot was most likely targeting center mass that caught the wrong piece ... that I'm buying as most probable..

what I do know is whoever he is, he has skills ... that I know...

(09-11-2025 04:10 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:31 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 03:17 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  There's a lot of contradictory info flying around so hopefully we'll get reliable answers soon:

how in the fk does he know that...

That's a good question, stink. And I'm as perplexed as you are because I don't have an answer for you.

Michael "savage" says it all...

I'm not saying he's right or wrong and I have no problem with anyone being skeptical, but for anyone who isn't familiar, he's not some obscure internet rando.

Nope. He's been around for a long time. He's the first person I heard say, "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

Savage is a straight shooter. I don't always agree with him, but he isn't normally putting out convoluted BS.

(09-10-2025 04:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 04:06 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 04:05 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 03:50 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:00 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Was gonna say the same. The response from Tom tells you everything you need to know

Eat a dick, Tom. So tired of your schtick.

he should be banned for that post alone...

CommieTom has to be banned permanently.

No

Let the filth continue. Let them show us who they sre. They have done it today. We need to hear them and be reminded

Charlie wouldn't want him banned. He'd just smoke him on every point and dude would leave on his own. He literally had an answer for every liberal lie brought to his attention. Had a lot of haters but changed a lot of hearts and minds. We would be under the Kamala regime right now without him and they killed him for it.

He gave a bigger voice to the liberal youth than their own chosen leaders did. His crowds used to unilaterally boo him. Then it became 50/50. Now they boo the "guests" that get up with the same tired arguments that Kirk had debunked on multiple occasions.

Many of those guests just got angry, however. Logic replaced with emotion was being attacked and since their whole identity was tied to what they believed and words could no longer defend their stance, adequately, they joined hate groups that preach violence and the silencing of any that oppose their way of thinking/feeling, all under the umbrella of caring progressive organizations of educated like-minded activists. Then they organize and plan to make a real difference using any means necessary. They want revenge for having their identities ripped away from them via their feelings on politics. And a shot rings out.

That is the problem right there. Until we can figure out how to separate weak-minded emotional children from their ideas and give them a self that isn't tied to their favorite candidates this will perpetuate in a lot of today's youth. They can't separate being angry or disappointed from acting out in anger.

I was both angry and disappointed when Biden was elected and I knew times were going to get hard. But I had a me separate from my political leanings. I removed myself from online groups etc and went on about my life, unconcerned with what everyone else was doing, hoping that common sense would eventually prevail, which it did. It's hard to understand why tht is so difficult for others sometimes.

I shouldn't post this, but it made me kind of proud. My youngest son is the only one of my kids that are on Facebook. Every once in a while I check to see what he's up to on there. He doesn't post very much, and often as not he posts things he hasn't told me about (which is, of course, why I look at his page). We're not Facebook friends, he just posts everything Public where anyone can see it. He has no idea I do this.

He was the one that called me and told me about Kirk. He was very, very upset. I had no idea he even knew who Kirk was. All of our young people are not communists, no matter what everyone tries to tell us.

This was on his page from yesterday, bringing yet another tear to my eye.

Quote:Anybody celebrating this is perpetuating the evil they claim to be against. ******* hypocrites.

If that’s you, if you’re celebrating a father of two young children being murdered in broad daylight, first of all go **** yourself and while you’re at it, realize that you’re just as much of a “nazi” as you claim others are if you agree with or celebrate this kind of violence. Second, delete me cuz I don’t need people like you in my circle, even just a Facebook circle.

CBS reporting that the FBI knows the name of the shooter.

(09-11-2025 12:30 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 12:21 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 12:17 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 12:09 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  I would implore them to read John 8 15:16.

If someone simply copy and pasted Jesus' words here unattributed he would be called prog filth and recommended for deportation.

You aren't making sense.

John 8:15-16 (NIV)
15: You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.
16: But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.

John 15:16 (in the NIV translation) states: "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you".

if you read the full comment, Oruvoice talked about the judgment of sinners. John 8 15-16 is about God being the judge of sinners, by his own standards not human standards.

Again, you're not making any sense. There is no inconsistency regarding His judgement or ours so long as they align w/ His teaching.

The problem most who have little to no knowledge of the Bible like to pick and choose verses out of context

First of all Matthew was speaking about brothers and sisters in Christ and some of their cultural values that early Christians were condemning.

He further says you will be judged the same

We are all going to be judged

The real problem most non believers or fair weather Christians don’t get or even have the ability to to grasp is that they are known by the fruits they bear

You do know what other religions and non believers are. Is that the judgement you are referring to?

you must pass judgement in order to discern what approach is needed

You pass judgment daily on others when you decide not to go into certain areas of a city or town


But once again these verses are not universal and only apply to believers judging one another

(09-11-2025 04:57 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I shouldn't post this, but it made me kind of proud. My youngest son is the only one of my kids that are on Facebook. Every once in a while I check to see what he's up to on there. He doesn't post very much, and often as not he posts things he hasn't told me about (which is, of course, why I look at his page). We're not Facebook friends, he just posts everything Public where anyone can see it. He has no idea I do this.

He was the one that called me and told me about Kirk. He was very, very upset. I had no idea he even knew who Kirk was. All of our young people are not communists, no matter what everyone tries to tell us.

This was on his page from yesterday, bringing yet another tear to my eye.

Quote:Anybody celebrating this is perpetuating the evil they claim to be against. ******* hypocrites.

If that’s you, if you’re celebrating a father of two young children being murdered in broad daylight, first of all go **** yourself and while you’re at it, realize that you’re just as much of a “nazi” as you claim others are if you agree with or celebrate this kind of violence. Second, delete me cuz I don’t need people like you in my circle, even just a Facebook circle.

Excellent, my brother. You raised a good one there. I'm sure your others are similar.

(09-11-2025 04:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  CBS reporting that the FBI knows the name of the shooter.

I hope this is true.

(09-11-2025 05:30 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 04:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  CBS reporting that the FBI knows the name of the shooter.

I hope this is true.

So does at least half the country.