(08-18-2025 11:56 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  Europe can go f*ck themselves. They are funding Russia by buying close to 30% of their oil and petroleum and also want (us) to fund Ukraine.

Can't have it both ways, losers all of them except Poland.

Truth!

(08-18-2025 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Trump moving significantly on US participation in security guarantees. Did not rule out American troops---though I suspect he will try to limit US participation to logistics and intelligence. I could see him offering air cover for European ground troops as well if thats what it takes to get a deal. Sounds like we could have a trilateral meeting as early as Friday if Putin agrees to attend.

So we -might- have boots on the ground now? No way should that happen. Nor pilots in the air. Just let them buy what they need and use it as they want. That will end the war once and for all.

(08-18-2025 12:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:21 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  And it's in front of cameras again. Woo hoo? lol

TiBL: Ah, okay. My mistake. It looks more formal to me than what he wore last time. Because of that, I was thrown off.

Its some kind of "suit"---with a kinda of Nero type collar...idk---its better than a t-shirt and Trump said---"You look great!"...lol

Z did say he was ready for a diplomatic solution and a trilateral meeting with Putin with Trump as mediator.

Something we didn’t hear the little dwarf tyrant tell Trump. At least Putin put off the sanctions. Again.

Oh, I know! How dare Trump try to end the damn war, right?

As the Canadians would say, take off!

Huh? You saying I can’t have an opinion? I would think Trump would understand Putin now. He has to. So there must be something else going on here. Maybe the defense department has info that China will move on a weakened Russia if Putin is eliminated. There has to be something else here.
Trump has not stopped Putin from doing anything yet. Am I wrong?

Would you rather Trump not even try? I'm being serious here. Trump is the only world leader trying -- actively trying, really -- to bring an end to this damn thing since he returned to the White House, much less at all. Nobody else since the start of this damn war (February 2022) has been willing to step up to the plate and even try, as far as I can tell.

Sure, Putin's an @$shole. I completely agree with you. But the fact remains the two countries will not return to pre-2022 borders, much less pre-2014 borders. I think Zelenskyy realizes that he's going to have to make some land concessions. (That is, giving up territory that Russia already controls.) The map is going to be redrawn, plain and simple.

As to your other point (the one about the PRC), it's a possibility, but Russia is the largest country on the planet in terms of land area. I don't see the ChiComs taking over all of that land. Maybe some of it if Putin is indeed weaker than we laypeople think. But all of it? I'm sorry, but I don't see it at all.

(08-18-2025 12:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:56 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Oh, and while I was looking at Fox News' live stream on Facebook, someone suggested that Biden tried to make a peace deal during his time in office. What a load of crap. lol

lol---never happened---unless saying "dont" is considered Biden trying to make a peace deal.

Apparently, the person in the comment section of the Fox News live stream of the event on Facebook was in fact considering that. lol TDS is a mental disease.

(08-18-2025 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Am I the only one this pisses off. That little bastard zelensky bringing a bunch of aholes that hate us to frickin bleed us

I would kick them all out ant tell them to handle their business

Damn parasites.

Trump invited them per the White House---likely to hammer out the "boots on the ground" part of the security guarantees in preparation for a trilateral meeting Friday (if Putin agrees to meet). I have to assume Z was there to discuss territory concessions and what he needed to do that in terms of security guarantees. The Europeans are there to hammer down their EXACTLY what their contribution to boots on the ground entails and what the US has to contribute to make it happen. Once Trump has that, then he'd be ready to put Putin and Z together in order to hammer out a land-for-security deal....it all goes well.

(08-18-2025 12:18 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:15 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Zelenskyy just arrived, and it looks like he's wearing all black. (Maybe an actual suit? I don't know.)

No, he's not. He wears the same black or dark grey attire daily to demonstrate his country is at war and he does it to show the struggle of the Ukraine fight. It's actually not a bad marketing technique especially since it has worked so well for him with the globos.

He said he would wear a suit again after the war was over.

It's debatable. The media is calling it a suit. He has a suit jacket on, and a dress shirt under it, buttoned at the neck, just no tie.

(08-18-2025 01:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:18 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:15 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Zelenskyy just arrived, and it looks like he's wearing all black. (Maybe an actual suit? I don't know.)

No, he's not. He wears the same black or dark grey attire daily to demonstrate his country is at war and he does it to show the struggle of the Ukraine fight. It's actually not a bad marketing technique especially since it has worked so well for him with the globos.

He said he would wear a suit again after the war was over.

It's debatable. The media is calling it a suit. He has a suit jacket on, and a dress shirt under it, buttoned at the neck, just no tie.

I admit that suit jacket did look different than a normal suit jacket. Then again, it may have just been the material. It was definitely all black though.

(08-18-2025 12:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:21 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  And it's in front of cameras again. Woo hoo? lol

TiBL: Ah, okay. My mistake. It looks more formal to me than what he wore last time. Because of that, I was thrown off.

Its some kind of "suit"---with a kinda of Nero type collar...idk---its better than a t-shirt and Trump said---"You look great!"...lol

Z did say he was ready for a diplomatic solution and a trilateral meeting with Putin with Trump as mediator.

Something we didn’t hear the little dwarf tyrant tell Trump. At least Putin put off the sanctions. Again.

Oh, I know! How dare Trump try to end the damn war, right?

As the Canadians would say, take off!

Huh? You saying I can’t have an opinion? I would think Trump would understand Putin now. He has to. So there must be something else going on here. Maybe the defense department has info that China will move on a weakened Russia if Putin is eliminated. There has to be something else here.
Trump has not stopped Putin from doing anything yet. Am I wrong?

I think the "something else" is the mass unpopularity of this war by the people in both countries. That wasn't the case early on, but this has drug on so long the people want it over.

I would like to see some provisions and funding for people to move freely across the new borders to where they want to live. It's needed for long-term stability.

(08-18-2025 01:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think the "something else" is the mass unpopularity of this war by the people in both countries. That wasn't the case early on, but this has drug on so long the people want it over.

I would like to see some provisions and funding for people to move freely across the new borders to where they want to live. It's needed for long-term stability.

Agreed. Those who feel more Russian can move to the Russian-occupied areas and those who feel more Ukrainian can move out of those areas. And yes, there should definitely be some reimbursement for those people who choose to do so. That is if that ends up being part of any peace agreement that's reached.

Those EU globohomos have let this go on for a decade.

They want energy because of their green bullshite.

None of them give a damn about democracy or Ukraine

Frick every one on them.

Trump needs to tell them all to go to hell and get us out of Nato.

(08-18-2025 01:17 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 01:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think the "something else" is the mass unpopularity of this war by the people in both countries. That wasn't the case early on, but this has drug on so long the people want it over.

I would like to see some provisions and funding for people to move freely across the new borders to where they want to live. It's needed for long-term stability.

Agreed. Those who feel more Russian can move to the Russian-occupied areas and those who feel more Ukrainian can move out of those areas. And yes, there should definitely be some reimbursement for those people who choose to do so. That is if that ends up being part of any peace agreement that's reached.

Agree. The areas currently occupied by Russia have always had a large ethnic Russian population. In some areas, a huge majority. The sad part of all of this is that it should have all been drawn when Ukraine broke from the USSR but obviously, it wasn't. They stuck with the borders they had as a Soviet Republic. Since then, the populations have shifted considerably. Heck, a few decades ago, Crimea was primarily Crimean Tartars. Now its primarily Russian.

Here’s a decidedly stupid question that I haven’t seen asked in all of this:

Where is the mighty Army of baby blue helmets in all this? Has the useless debate club UN offered anything in all this?

This is Russia, Ukraine and EUROPE’s freaking war. Why is it being hosted in D.C.? What was wrong with London, Paris or Berlin?

How and why did this become “our” problem, other than the idiot in thief Sloe* green lighted this schit?

(08-18-2025 01:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 01:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:18 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:15 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Zelenskyy just arrived, and it looks like he's wearing all black. (Maybe an actual suit? I don't know.)

No, he's not. He wears the same black or dark grey attire daily to demonstrate his country is at war and he does it to show the struggle of the Ukraine fight. It's actually not a bad marketing technique especially since it has worked so well for him with the globos.

He said he would wear a suit again after the war was over.

It's debatable. The media is calling it a suit. He has a suit jacket on, and a dress shirt under it, buttoned at the neck, just no tie.

I admit that suit jacket did look different than a normal suit jacket. Then again, it may have just been the material. It was definitely all black though.

Yeah, I had to look closely to figure it out. It was a suit jacket, was called that by several media peeps, but def not normal. He actually had a designer create it for this meeting. And it def was a dress shirt. He didn't wear a tie, though.

(08-18-2025 01:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Here’s a decidedly stupid question that I haven’t seen asked in all of this:

Where is the mighty Army of baby blue helmets in all this? Has the useless debate club UN offered anything in all this?

This is Russia, Ukraine and EUROPE’s freaking war. Why is it being hosted in D.C.? What was wrong with London, Paris or Berlin?

How and why did this become “our” problem, other than the idiot in thief Sloe* green lighted this schit?

Because Trump called it and invited everybody. Never been done before with that many European leaders.

(08-18-2025 02:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 01:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Here’s a decidedly stupid question that I haven’t seen asked in all of this:

Where is the mighty Army of baby blue helmets in all this? Has the useless debate club UN offered anything in all this?

This is Russia, Ukraine and EUROPE’s freaking war. Why is it being hosted in D.C.? What was wrong with London, Paris or Berlin?

How and why did this become “our” problem, other than the idiot in thief Sloe* green lighted this schit?

Because Trump called it and invited everybody. Never been done before with that many European leaders.

As the kids say these days, *points to what you just said* that part.

As for Zelenskyy’s suit, it doesn’t look bad at all. Just…different. And for it to be custom made means he had to shell out some serious coin for it.

FFS. These grifting globohomos.

They suck

Muh security = we pay

(08-18-2025 01:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Here’s a decidedly stupid question that I haven’t seen asked in all of this:

Where is the mighty Army of baby blue helmets in all this? Has the useless debate club UN offered anything in all this?

This is Russia, Ukraine and EUROPE’s freaking war. Why is it being hosted in D.C.? What was wrong with London, Paris or Berlin?

How and why did this become “our” problem, other than the idiot in thief Sloe* green lighted this schit?

Well, the problem there is both Russia (and their buddy China) have permanent seats on the security council---meaning each has complete veto power on any significant UN enforcement action. So---the UN is basically toothless when it comes to enforcing anything (even a peace deal) when a security council member is involved. Could the parties involved come to an agreement that allows the UN to police a Ukrainian DMZ---sure. But should the DMZ be violated---any military backup or enforcement for the peace deal terms would have to come from a nation (or a coalition of nations) other than the UN.

(08-18-2025 01:07 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its some kind of "suit"---with a kinda of Nero type collar...idk---its better than a t-shirt and Trump said---"You look great!"...lol

Z did say he was ready for a diplomatic solution and a trilateral meeting with Putin with Trump as mediator.

Something we didn’t hear the little dwarf tyrant tell Trump. At least Putin put off the sanctions. Again.

Oh, I know! How dare Trump try to end the damn war, right?

As the Canadians would say, take off!

Huh? You saying I can’t have an opinion? I would think Trump would understand Putin now. He has to. So there must be something else going on here. Maybe the defense department has info that China will move on a weakened Russia if Putin is eliminated. There has to be something else here.
Trump has not stopped Putin from doing anything yet. Am I wrong?

Would you rather Trump not even try? I'm being serious here. Trump is the only world leader trying -- actively trying, really -- to bring an end to this damn thing since he returned to the White House, much less at all. Nobody else since the start of this damn war (February 2022) has been willing to step up to the plate and even try, as far as I can tell.

Sure, Putin's an @$shole. I completely agree with you. But the fact remains the two countries will not return to pre-2022 borders, much less pre-2014 borders. I think Zelenskyy realizes that he's going to have to make some land concessions. (That is, giving up territory that Russia already controls.) The map is going to be redrawn, plain and simple.

As to your other point (the one about the PRC), it's a possibility, but Russia is the largest country on the planet in terms of land area. I don't see the ChiComs taking over all of that land. Maybe some of it if Putin is indeed weaker than we laypeople think. But all of it? I'm sorry, but I don't see it at all.

I am all for Trump trying to end this war. I am just highly against rewarding in any way this type of aggression. Putin should have some responsibility for the loss of life and destruction he has caused. I’m not sure what that is. Russia is in dire economic distress. More pressure from the US sanctions wise and Ukraine striking inside Russia could very easily win the war.

I never said the PRC had designs on all of Russia, but there was a plan laid out by a PRC party leader that tried to defect to Russia. They had planned on the possibility of the land east of the Caucasus should Russia crumble. China and Russia have had territorial disputes for centuries and Russia took a lot of land from China during the opium wars. There is no doubting they want that energy rich land back.

(08-18-2025 02:07 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 01:07 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2025 12:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Something we didn’t hear the little dwarf tyrant tell Trump. At least Putin put off the sanctions. Again.

Oh, I know! How dare Trump try to end the damn war, right?

As the Canadians would say, take off!

Huh? You saying I can’t have an opinion? I would think Trump would understand Putin now. He has to. So there must be something else going on here. Maybe the defense department has info that China will move on a weakened Russia if Putin is eliminated. There has to be something else here.
Trump has not stopped Putin from doing anything yet. Am I wrong?

Would you rather Trump not even try? I'm being serious here. Trump is the only world leader trying -- actively trying, really -- to bring an end to this damn thing since he returned to the White House, much less at all. Nobody else since the start of this damn war (February 2022) has been willing to step up to the plate and even try, as far as I can tell.

Sure, Putin's an @$shole. I completely agree with you. But the fact remains the two countries will not return to pre-2022 borders, much less pre-2014 borders. I think Zelenskyy realizes that he's going to have to make some land concessions. (That is, giving up territory that Russia already controls.) The map is going to be redrawn, plain and simple.

As to your other point (the one about the PRC), it's a possibility, but Russia is the largest country on the planet in terms of land area. I don't see the ChiComs taking over all of that land. Maybe some of it if Putin is indeed weaker than we laypeople think. But all of it? I'm sorry, but I don't see it at all.

I am all for Trump trying to end this war. I am just highly against rewarding in any way this type of aggression. Putin should have some responsibility for the loss of life and destruction he has caused. I’m not sure what that is. Russia is in dire economic distress. More pressure from the US sanctions wise and Ukraine striking inside Russia could very easily win the war.

I never said the PRC had designs on all of Russia, but there was a plan laid out by a PRC party leader that tried to defect to Russia. They had planned on the possibility of the land east of the Caucasus should Russia crumble. China and Russia have had territorial disputes for centuries and Russia took a lot of land from China during the opium wars. There is no doubting they want that energy rich land back.

In a perfect world---I agree. But this is not a perfect world. Its time to accept the realities on the ground and deal in the art of the possible. If a "land for security" compromise peace deal can be crafted that both sides can live with---then that is the best option for everyone at this point and is far better than fighting on for several more years before realizing the only way to end this is via negotiated settlement. This is a stalemate and its never going to be solved to the complete satisfaction of either party on the battlefield. The killing needs to end sooner rather than later---even if the solution is less than ideal and involves compromise.

(08-18-2025 01:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Those EU globohomos have let this go on for a decade.

They want energy because of their green bullshite.

None of them give a damn about democracy or Ukraine

Frick every one on them.

Trump needs to tell them all to go to hell and get us out of Nato.

:lmfao:And you knuckleheads tell me to chill out.