(06-20-2025 07:08 AM)TripleA Wrote: IAEA Director said yesterday that Iran currently has enough uranium to make several bombs, and could do it in a matter of days.
American Intel confirmed.
OTOH, there is no indication of the final steps yet taking place.
That really should make Trump's decision easy, in my opinion. But that's because I don't believe Khamenei will make a deal. He is, again, the leader of the biggest state sponsor of Islamic terrorism. He kinda has to try to save face with his terrorist proxies in the rest of the Middle East. Not to mention he's the leader of a death cult that's hell bent on issuing in the coming of the Third Imam.
I don't think Trump is giving two weeks because of negotiations, I think he is giving that time frame because Bibi stated they could get the job done in two weeks.
Yes, that's true. I mean for all we know, Trump may have made up his mind and told Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, allowing for all the necessary parties to get the ball rolling. And what 3A said is also a good point.
Fox is reporting that Israeli aerial attacks to this point have only "grazed" existing Iranian nuclear facilities, and a number of days more will be necessary to have the desired effect, and this doesn't even include Fordow.
(06-20-2025 03:28 PM)TripleA Wrote: Fox is reporting that Israeli aerial attacks to this point have only "grazed" existing Iranian nuclear facilities, and a number of days more will be necessary to have the desired effect, and this doesn't even include Fordow.
That really depends on what facilities they are talking about. Supposedly there are only 20 of the big bunker buster bombs needed to take out the deeply buried facilities. How many are we willing to use on this mission? Two? Four? Six? Six would represent almost a third of our entire inventory. How many facilities require their use---and how many will it take to insure each facility they are used on is rendered completely destroyed? The more I think about it---watching us roll assets into the area----the more Im thinking they will do this with Israeli special forces units operating under the protection of a massive Israeli-US air umbrella. You simply dont need all the assets we have converging on the Middle East to have a B2 air mail a few bunker busters. All those tanker planes entering the theater suggests they are looking at making sure they can keep a lot of planes in the air for an extended period of time.
(This post was last modified: 06-20-2025 07:06 PM by Attackcoog.)
Apparently the Chinese had agreed to a $400 Billion investment in Iran.
Israel is putting a hurting on Chinese oil consumption. Spigot is being turned off. By destroying the munitions plants drones and missiles are no longer being produced for Russian consumption. A major blow in their meat grinding operation in Ukraine.
Apparently the Chinese had agreed to a $400 Billion investment in Iran.
Israel is putting a hurting on Chinese oil consumption. Spigot is being turned off. By destroying the munitions plants drones and missiles are no longer being produced for Russian consumption. A major blow in their meat grinding operation in Ukraine.
Strange how interconnected the world has become
Its interesting how interconnected the world of pariah nations has become. The leper colony of Iran, N Korea, Russia---and to a larger and larger extent---China....those are developing into the new axis of evil. These nations---and to a lesser extent---many of the BRICS nations have been working together attempting to sow disorder in the world. Not really what the world needs right now. Seems to be way too much strife in the world right now with shooting wars in Ukraine, the Middle East, and between nuclear powers India and Pakistan. Ive said before---it really does seem like a very dangerous time in the world. The current unsettled nature of the world makes me wonder if this is what it felt like to live in the late 1930's run up to WWII.
(This post was last modified: 06-20-2025 07:56 PM by Attackcoog.)
Apparently the Chinese had agreed to a $400 Billion investment in Iran.
Israel is putting a hurting on Chinese oil consumption. Spigot is being turned off. By destroying the munitions plants drones and missiles are no longer being produced for Russian consumption. A major blow in their meat grinding operation in Ukraine.
Strange how interconnected the world has become
Its interesting how interconnected the world of pariah nations has become. The leper colony of Iran, N Korea, Russia---and to a larger and larger extent---China....those are developing into the new axis of evil. These nations---and to a lesser extent---many of the BRICS nations have been working together attempting to sow disorder in the world. Not really what the world needs right now. Seems to be way too much strife in the world right now with shooting wars in Ukraine, the Middle East, and between nuclear powers India and Pakistan. Ive said before---it really does seem like a very dangerous time in the world. The current unsettled nature of the world makes me wonder if this is what it felt like to live in the late 1930's run up to WWII.
I think it shows a safer world because China clearly has too much to lose to be directly involved in 'war'. While the American dollars have made China into somewhat dangerous. Being completely cutoff from those dollars would dry China's ability to fund a war....quickly. Not for a minute do I believe China thinks they are powerful enough to take on America.
Russia other than having nuke, they barely can push around a 3rd rated step brother next to them. A war that requires actually moving parts over long distant would be impossible to for them to win
We have Israel using American made weapons at 1-1/1000 of Americans might destroying the ME bully. On their own.
So unless it came to nukes, then we are all f'ed, I think these 'wars' sometimes brings the boogeyman out into the light and shows they really are not that scary....
unless facing basically 3rd or 2nd world countries. If the world can see it so can those bullies. They might test to see if they get push back but once they get it they back away unless its a country they are more powerful. China is using their money to expand so the last thing they want is something to stop that
So NATO countries are a lot safer today
(This post was last modified: 06-21-2025 12:36 PM by WKUYG.)
Quote:NEW: CNN's Van Jones calls on "progressives" to "GET ON BOARD" with Trump's stance that Iran *can't* have nuclear weapon?
"I think progressives underestimate how dangerous Iran is. Iran is not a normal country. Normal countries don‘t blind women because they showed some hair. They don't empower little gangs and proxies to surround a country and fire rockets and r*pe people."
"They cannot have a bomb ... Because they say death to America, death to Israel and death to all the Jews. One of those should offend you if you're progressives — at least one should offend you."
"We cannot have a nuclear-armed Iran."
(This post was last modified: 06-21-2025 01:12 PM by Bearhawkeye.)
Apparently the Chinese had agreed to a $400 Billion investment in Iran.
Israel is putting a hurting on Chinese oil consumption. Spigot is being turned off. By destroying the munitions plants drones and missiles are no longer being produced for Russian consumption. A major blow in their meat grinding operation in Ukraine.
Strange how interconnected the world has become
Its interesting how interconnected the world of pariah nations has become. The leper colony of Iran, N Korea, Russia---and to a larger and larger extent---China....those are developing into the new axis of evil. These nations---and to a lesser extent---many of the BRICS nations have been working together attempting to sow disorder in the world. Not really what the world needs right now. Seems to be way too much strife in the world right now with shooting wars in Ukraine, the Middle East, and between nuclear powers India and Pakistan. Ive said before---it really does seem like a very dangerous time in the world. The current unsettled nature of the world makes me wonder if this is what it felt like to live in the late 1930's run up to WWII.
I think it shows a safer world because China clearly has too much to lose to be directly involved in 'war'. While the American dollars have made China into somewhat dangerous. Being completely cutoff from those dollars would dry China's ability to fund a war....quickly. Not for a minute do I believe China thinks they are powerful enough to take on America.
Russia other than having nuke, they barely can push around a 3rd rated step brother next to them. A war that requires actually moving parts over long distant would be impossible to for them to win
We have Israel using American made weapons at 1-1/1000 of Americans might destroying the ME bully. On their own.
So unless it came to nukes, then we are all f'ed, I think these 'wars' sometimes brings the boogeyman out into the light and shows they really are not that scary....
unless facing basically 3rd or 2nd world countries. If the world can see it so can those bullies. They might test to see if they get push back but once they get it they back away unless its a country they are more powerful. China is using their money to expand so the last thing they want is something to stop that
So NATO countries are a lot safer today
True---to an extent. This new axis of evil isnt really interested in invading and conquering the US (mainly because they really cant---just as we have no interest in invading Russia, China, or Iran for that matter). What they want is to remove the US as a world power so each of these nations can have their own regional hegemony where they are the superpower, their nation enforces the "world order" they prefer in that region (which would quickly make their currency the reserve currency for that region-supplanting the US dollar). So the intent is things like---invading and taking Ukraine, invading and taking Taiwan and forcing the Pacific nations to submit to Chinese rule. Just as Iran's efforts have been aimed at becoming a nuclear power while creating a network of proxies capable of making Iran the primary regional power in the Middle East.
In a world where limited key rare earth resources---and access to them----may decide the future---no longer having guaranteed access to these resources via the free trade market promised by the American Rules Based World Order since the end of WWII (courtesy of the US military) could be devastating to the US in the future. Furthermore, no longer being the worlds reserve currency could potentially be every bit as damaging to the US future as an invasion of our shores. Im not suggesting we cant survive being a mere regional power---but Im absolutely certain such a demotion could very well negatively affect the standard of living of our citizens---and would almost guarantee future US citizens (as in our children) will likely not live as prosperously as the generation prior.
(This post was last modified: 06-21-2025 02:25 PM by Attackcoog.)
I steer clear of most foreign policy discussions. Mostly because (even more than my usual ignorance) I don’t know enough to comment. But I’ll make an exception here for a big-picture historical observation.
On virtually every topic, there are extreme opinions - - with the truth lying somewhere in the middle. Not here. By green-lighting this raid, Donald Trump either triggered WW3 or he made the world a safer place for generations to come. There’s no middle ground on this one.
I don’t know which outcome will prove up - - I pray for the latter. But I think we’ll know before summer is done.
(06-22-2025 06:53 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: I steer clear of most foreign policy discussions. Mostly because (even more than my usual ignorance) I don’t know enough to comment. But I’ll make an exception here for a big-picture historical observation.
On virtually every topic, there are extreme opinions - - with the truth lying somewhere in the middle. Not here. By green-lighting this raid, Donald Trump either triggered WW3 or he made the world a safer place for generations to come. There’s no middle ground on this one.
I don’t know which outcome will prove up - - I pray for the latter. But I think we’ll know before summer is done.
Lets look at this logically on a WW3 and who are the possible players for that to happen.
Before the last couple years people would say Russia, most people though of them as being capable. What the world really found out they cant even push their little stepbrother around and they live down the street.
China is the only player left in the game of "WW3", without China, Russia is not a threat to take Iran's side and fight for them. So unless China believes, with Russia's help they can basically take control of the world. That's the only way, other than words, they get into this.
China has the best life they ever had in the history of that country going on. So why would they chance that and basically bet they can or go back to dirt farmers? China has too much to lose and realize its about a 1000 to 1 shot they can fight America and NATO and come out the winners.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.....at this point in history, 20 to 30 years from now who knows but at this point. China is not betting everything for Iran, or Russia because right now China knows they are a clear #2 in the world after seeing Russia struggle with a war for years. Something that would have been a walk in the park, if America was Russia.
No WW3, unless nukes come into it and that ends life as everyone knows it. There is no war machine like Germany and Japan were. Not only that but with the will to bet every thing. Neither country had as much to lose at the time, than China does today.
Flare ups are possible but full out war is less than likely and those flare up will not come from Russia or China firing rockets or attacking anything of America's.....
Without China there is no WW3, at least in the same context as WW2
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
(This post was last modified: 06-22-2025 08:06 AM by WKUYG.)
(06-22-2025 08:03 AM)WKUYG Wrote: Lets look at this logically on a WW3 and who are the possible players for that to happen.
Before the last couple years people would say Russia, most people though of them as being capable. What the world really found out they cant even push their little stepbrother around and they live down the street.
China is the only player left in the game of "WW3", without China, Russia is not a threat to take Iran's side and fight for them. So unless China believes, with Russia's help they can basically take control of the world. That's the only way, other than words, they get into this.
China has the best life they ever had in the history of that country going on. So why would they chance that and basically bet they can or go back to dirt farmers? China has too much to lose and realize its about a 1000 to 1 shot they can fight America and NATO and come out the winners.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.....at this point in history, 20 to 30 years from now who knows but at this point. China is not betting everything for Iran, or Russia because right now China knows they are a clear #2 in the world after seeing Russia struggle with a war for years. Something that would have been a walk in the park, if America was Russia.
No WW3, unless nukes come into it and that ends life as everyone knows it. There is no war machine like Germany and Japan were. Not only that but with the will to bet every thing. Neither country had as much to lose at the time, than China does today.
Flare ups are possible but full out war is less than likely and those flare up will not come from Russia or China firing rockets or attacking anything of America's.....
Without China there is no WW3, at least in the same context as WW2
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
People often fail to understand the reasons that lead to WW2 do not exist in the modern era. Well kind of, depends on what you believe Russia's invasion of Ukraine was really about.
Both Japan and Germany had peaked with their industrial production with the territory and resources they had. When you combine the latent anger from Germany to the Europeans for post WW1 punishment and Japan's anger at the US for oil embargo both countries saw expansion through war as the only way forward for their countries. That just won't happen in the modern world. The last true attempt at it was Iraw invading Kuwait and the world as one said, no you can't do that.
Combine that with MAD, none of the world superpowers that would be needed for WW3 are going to have a direct conflict with each other. There will always be these regional conflicts, and maybe even some dust ups between the big boys like we saw in Syria, but none of these sh1thole countries or their problems are worth the destruction of a superpowers homeland.
