(06-18-2025 07:49 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 06:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Allow me to summarize the most recent post. Yes, I tanqtonic support the allegations as Maryland dad because that's a fact, but the truckload of allegations against him are mere allegations even though there's literally a truckload of them. And though that seems like an overwhelming case against him, at the end of the day he's just a Maryland dad that should have had more due process because the due process he received previously where a judge ordered him removable from the United States didn't go quite far enough as far as due process goes.

Brilliant

(06-18-2025 09:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 06:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I tanqtonic recognize support the allegations as recognize the phrase of 'Maryland dad' because that's as a fact, and recognize the bias in the use of the phrase to soften his image.

There are a but the truckload of allegations against him, which may be proven, but have not, and until so actually are mere allegations, even though some folks with another bias and less understanding of the issue will simply try to say there's literally a truckload of them to try and dance their way out of them not being proven. Including some that should understand that concept (such as LE), but apparently simply dont. And though that seems like an overwhelming case against him when one doesnt understand the concept of actual proof, at the end of the day he's just a Maryland dad person that should have received had more due process on his actual removal, but somehow the people antsy for his removal think that somehow because the due process he received previously somehow covered his ultimate illegal and improper removal where a judge ordered him removable from the United States didn't go quite far enough as far as due process goes.

FIFY big guy.

And like just about every LE Ive ever met, bar a very small number, you seemingly think that there is a kneejerk solution to 'prove up an allegation' under to due process by layering on simply more allegations.

And Im glad that you seemingly mix and match 'allegation' with fact in the first sentence. Im unsure what to make of it when a long time professional in LE lays out "support the allegations of 'Maryland dad' because that's a fact", which is pretty much gobbledygook. Perhaps the meanings of 'fact' and 'allegation' might be a start with that.

Cute tricks above, but those aint the rules in the US. Bummer dude.

The whole thing was a riff - a satirical look at your musings - which like the Babylon Bee here in recent years isn't actually too far off from reality. But yet you still didn't get that either. SMH. I see now why TripleA and others feel sorry for you.

(06-18-2025 10:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 09:58 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 09:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Odd that most of us only have issues with one or two peeps here, yet somehow you seem to lock horns with a couple of dozen or so. I wonder why?

Maybe because there are a bunch of folks who slurp up as the golden rule of truth what you follow, and there are a handful that dont.

Kind of obvious there. my friend. You havent clued into that?

Yeah, they are all wrong, and you're the only one who is right. Got it.

I guess you dont notice that ratio issue in issue viewpoint.

Every single person who posts something against the orthodoxy of the howlers gets an automatic personal attack against them, pretty much every single time.

Yet that escapes you when you use your numbers comment above. Cool cool.

If only we could all be as non-biased and fair-minded as you. I mean, all you care about is truth and the rule of law.

He is one of the least self-aware people I have ever encountered on a message board. And that is saying a lot.

And on top of that, he just denigrated practically the entire community of LE personnel. Typical. Amazing. Sad.

(06-18-2025 10:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 09:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 06:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I tanqtonic recognize support the allegations as recognize the phrase of 'Maryland dad' because that's as a fact, and recognize the bias in the use of the phrase to soften his image.

There are a but the truckload of allegations against him, which may be proven, but have not, and until so actually are mere allegations, even though some folks with another bias and less understanding of the issue will simply try to say there's literally a truckload of them to try and dance their way out of them not being proven. Including some that should understand that concept (such as LE), but apparently simply dont. And though that seems like an overwhelming case against him when one doesnt understand the concept of actual proof, at the end of the day he's just a Maryland dad person that should have received had more due process on his actual removal, but somehow the people antsy for his removal think that somehow because the due process he received previously somehow covered his ultimate illegal and improper removal where a judge ordered him removable from the United States didn't go quite far enough as far as due process goes.

FIFY big guy.

And like just about every LE Ive ever met, bar a very small number, you seemingly think that there is a kneejerk solution to 'prove up an allegation' under to due process by layering on simply more allegations.

And Im glad that you seemingly mix and match 'allegation' with fact in the first sentence. Im unsure what to make of it when a long time professional in LE lays out "support the allegations of 'Maryland dad' because that's a fact", which is pretty much gobbledygook. Perhaps the meanings of 'fact' and 'allegation' might be a start with that.

Cute tricks above, but those aint the rules in the US. Bummer dude.

The whole thing was a riff - a satirical look at your musings - which like the Babylon Bee here in recent years isn't actually too far off from reality. But yet you still didn't get that either. SMH. I see now why TripleA and others feel sorry for you.

Bummer that your 'satire' contained a crapload of really bad distortions, and outright falsehoods.

Maybe next time you have the stones when you are shown to mangle someone's position, and facts, you accept the shortcomings as such. Instead of trying to scurryi out of it as you do above.

hahahahahahaha

(06-18-2025 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 09:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 06:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I tanqtonic recognize support the allegations as recognize the phrase of 'Maryland dad' because that's as a fact, and recognize the bias in the use of the phrase to soften his image.

There are a but the truckload of allegations against him, which may be proven, but have not, and until so actually are mere allegations, even though some folks with another bias and less understanding of the issue will simply try to say there's literally a truckload of them to try and dance their way out of them not being proven. Including some that should understand that concept (such as LE), but apparently simply dont. And though that seems like an overwhelming case against him when one doesnt understand the concept of actual proof, at the end of the day he's just a Maryland dad person that should have received had more due process on his actual removal, but somehow the people antsy for his removal think that somehow because the due process he received previously somehow covered his ultimate illegal and improper removal where a judge ordered him removable from the United States didn't go quite far enough as far as due process goes.

FIFY big guy.

And like just about every LE Ive ever met, bar a very small number, you seemingly think that there is a kneejerk solution to 'prove up an allegation' under to due process by layering on simply more allegations.

And Im glad that you seemingly mix and match 'allegation' with fact in the first sentence. Im unsure what to make of it when a long time professional in LE lays out "support the allegations of 'Maryland dad' because that's a fact", which is pretty much gobbledygook. Perhaps the meanings of 'fact' and 'allegation' might be a start with that.

Cute tricks above, but those aint the rules in the US. Bummer dude.

The whole thing was a riff - a satirical look at your musings - which like the Babylon Bee here in recent years isn't actually too far off from reality. But yet you still didn't get that either. SMH. I see now why TripleA and others feel sorry for you.

Bummer that your 'satire' contained a crapload of really bad distortions, and outright falsehoods.

Maybe next time you have the stones when you are shown to mangle someone's position, and facts, you accept the shortcomings as such. Instead of trying to scurryi out of it as you do above.

A little help for you

And moreover, your "corrections" are not really in line with a lot of your previous comments on this. Revisionist history.

(06-18-2025 10:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  He is one of the least self-aware people I have ever encountered on a message board. And that is saying a lot.

And on top of that, he just denigrated practically the entire community of LE personnel. Typical. Amazing. Sad.

How so, pal?

By stating that a large % of LE try to substitute proving up allegations with dumping more allegations?

Good grief, the entire DOJ apparatus *just* did that with Abrego. Lolz. Including 3IBL literally right above. Are you not aware of that? Oops, forgot -- that was the main foundation in your original criticism of my POV. That the stuff mentioned is literally 'alleged'.

Dont get sad, many dont appreciate that difference. It happens all the time. and from LE to a large extent.

Ill give LE credit though. I appreciate the LE mission of putting bad guys away, but at times that zealousness is actually counterproductive when you stack it against the rules of the issue.

My suggestion to you, and to 3IBL, when you want to jibber jabber about how bad Abrego is (which is a valid point in his issues *now*) -- just used developed facts as opposed to trying to layer cake allegation upon allegation.

Or dont. Free country and all that jazz. But when you decide to simply layer allegations, dont get whiny and defensive when it gets called out. That is also a bad look.

(06-18-2025 10:42 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Bummer that your 'satire' contained a crapload of really bad distortions, and outright falsehoods.

Maybe next time you have the stones when you are shown to mangle someone's position, and facts, you accept the shortcomings as such. Instead of trying to scurryi out of it as you do above.

A little help for you

^^

(06-18-2025 10:42 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 09:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 06:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I tanqtonic recognize support the allegations as recognize the phrase of 'Maryland dad' because that's as a fact, and recognize the bias in the use of the phrase to soften his image.

There are a but the truckload of allegations against him, which may be proven, but have not, and until so actually are mere allegations, even though some folks with another bias and less understanding of the issue will simply try to say there's literally a truckload of them to try and dance their way out of them not being proven. Including some that should understand that concept (such as LE), but apparently simply dont. And though that seems like an overwhelming case against him when one doesnt understand the concept of actual proof, at the end of the day he's just a Maryland dad person that should have received had more due process on his actual removal, but somehow the people antsy for his removal think that somehow because the due process he received previously somehow covered his ultimate illegal and improper removal where a judge ordered him removable from the United States didn't go quite far enough as far as due process goes.

FIFY big guy.

And like just about every LE Ive ever met, bar a very small number, you seemingly think that there is a kneejerk solution to 'prove up an allegation' under to due process by layering on simply more allegations.

And Im glad that you seemingly mix and match 'allegation' with fact in the first sentence. Im unsure what to make of it when a long time professional in LE lays out "support the allegations of 'Maryland dad' because that's a fact", which is pretty much gobbledygook. Perhaps the meanings of 'fact' and 'allegation' might be a start with that.

Cute tricks above, but those aint the rules in the US. Bummer dude.

The whole thing was a riff - a satirical look at your musings - which like the Babylon Bee here in recent years isn't actually too far off from reality. But yet you still didn't get that either. SMH. I see now why TripleA and others feel sorry for you.

Bummer that your 'satire' contained a crapload of really bad distortions, and outright falsehoods.

Maybe next time you have the stones when you are shown to mangle someone's position, and facts, you accept the shortcomings as such. Instead of trying to scurryi out of it as you do above.

A little help for you

Tanq, I hope you put as much effort into your real job as you do here in 'splaining why everybody else on here is wrong, and you are always right.

(06-18-2025 10:42 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 09:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 06:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I tanqtonic recognize support the allegations as recognize the phrase of 'Maryland dad' because that's as a fact, and recognize the bias in the use of the phrase to soften his image.

There are a but the truckload of allegations against him, which may be proven, but have not, and until so actually are mere allegations, even though some folks with another bias and less understanding of the issue will simply try to say there's literally a truckload of them to try and dance their way out of them not being proven. Including some that should understand that concept (such as LE), but apparently simply dont. And though that seems like an overwhelming case against him when one doesnt understand the concept of actual proof, at the end of the day he's just a Maryland dad person that should have received had more due process on his actual removal, but somehow the people antsy for his removal think that somehow because the due process he received previously somehow covered his ultimate illegal and improper removal where a judge ordered him removable from the United States didn't go quite far enough as far as due process goes.

FIFY big guy.

And like just about every LE Ive ever met, bar a very small number, you seemingly think that there is a kneejerk solution to 'prove up an allegation' under to due process by layering on simply more allegations.

And Im glad that you seemingly mix and match 'allegation' with fact in the first sentence. Im unsure what to make of it when a long time professional in LE lays out "support the allegations of 'Maryland dad' because that's a fact", which is pretty much gobbledygook. Perhaps the meanings of 'fact' and 'allegation' might be a start with that.

Cute tricks above, but those aint the rules in the US. Bummer dude.

The whole thing was a riff - a satirical look at your musings - which like the Babylon Bee here in recent years isn't actually too far off from reality. But yet you still didn't get that either. SMH. I see now why TripleA and others feel sorry for you.

Bummer that your 'satire' contained a crapload of really bad distortions, and outright falsehoods.

Maybe next time you have the stones when you are shown to mangle someone's position, and facts, you accept the shortcomings as such. Instead of trying to scurryi out of it as you do above.

A little help for you

I guess in your book 'satire' is simple falsehoods and distortions -- and a cheap seat way to cover them being exposed when called ou. Neat dance move, my friend.

Simple question -- How do you defend the comment "but the truckload of allegations against him are mere allegations even though there's literally a truckload of them" as anything but bunk in terms of a legal determination?

Last I saw an allegation is an allegation. A truckload of them doesnt change that in the slightest.

But -- please explain. The floor is yours, my friend.

Satire my ass. Lolz.

(06-18-2025 10:44 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  He is one of the least self-aware people I have ever encountered on a message board. And that is saying a lot.

And on top of that, he just denigrated practically the entire community of LE personnel. Typical. Amazing. Sad.

How so, pal?

By stating that a large % of LE try to substitute proving up allegations with dumping more allegations?

Good grief, the entire DOJ apparatus *just* did that with Abrego. Lolz. Including 3IBL literally right above. Are you not aware of that? Oops, forgot -- that was the main foundation in your original criticism of my POV. That the stuff mentioned is literally 'alleged'.

Dont get sad, many dont appreciate that difference. It happens all the time. and from LE to a large extent.

Ill give LE credit though. I appreciate the LE mission of putting bad guys away, but at times that zealousness is actually counterproductive when you stack it against the rules of the issue.

My suggestion to you, and to 3IBL, when you want to jibber jabber about how bad Abrego is (which is a valid point in his issues *now*) -- just used developed facts as opposed to trying to layer cake allegation upon allegation.

Or dont. Free country and all that jazz. But when you decide to simply layer allegations, dont get whiny and defensive when it gets called out. That is also a bad look.

Your position does not fit this person.

There are layers of intelligence including informants, evidence collected and presented in court previously, a judge that had already previously ruled him a member of MS-13, and on and on.

As a lawyer you should recognize that once you're on the wrong side, LE and prosecutors aren't going to try to manufacture bogus charges that jeopardizes the case. No one is trying layer upon layer allegations against this human if you want to call him that. He's getting his due process for the decades worth of illicit, criminal activity he's been involved in. So, please tell us more about how you don't get it.

(06-18-2025 10:51 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:42 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 09:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  FIFY big guy.

And like just about every LE Ive ever met, bar a very small number, you seemingly think that there is a kneejerk solution to 'prove up an allegation' under to due process by layering on simply more allegations.

And Im glad that you seemingly mix and match 'allegation' with fact in the first sentence. Im unsure what to make of it when a long time professional in LE lays out "support the allegations of 'Maryland dad' because that's a fact", which is pretty much gobbledygook. Perhaps the meanings of 'fact' and 'allegation' might be a start with that.

Cute tricks above, but those aint the rules in the US. Bummer dude.

The whole thing was a riff - a satirical look at your musings - which like the Babylon Bee here in recent years isn't actually too far off from reality. But yet you still didn't get that either. SMH. I see now why TripleA and others feel sorry for you.

Bummer that your 'satire' contained a crapload of really bad distortions, and outright falsehoods.

Maybe next time you have the stones when you are shown to mangle someone's position, and facts, you accept the shortcomings as such. Instead of trying to scurryi out of it as you do above.

A little help for you

I guess in your book 'satire' is simple falsehoods and distortions -- and a cheap seat way to cover them being exposed when called ou. Neat dance move, my friend.

Simple question -- How do you defend the comment "but the truckload of allegations against him are mere allegations even though there's literally a truckload of them" as anything but bunk in terms of a legal determination?

Last I saw an allegation is an allegation. A truckload of them doesnt change that in the slightest.

But -- please explain. The floor is yours, my friend.

Satire my ass. Lolz.

Truckload was your word and the fact you don't see the humor in what I wrote is your problem not mine.

(06-18-2025 10:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Tanq, I hope you put as much effort into your real job as you do here in 'splaining why everybody else on here is wrong, and you are always right.

Im glad you are worried about my real job. Im not. But your care a deeply sincere expressions are duly noted. Lolz.

It appears you are onto phase 2 of deflection. Double lolz.

Lets see how many deflection tropes you can pull out here, good sir.

Kilmar is fricked.

Despite all this foolishness.

Funny, I see video of Abrego Garcia driving a car full of people, with no luggage and no home address, from Texas to Maryland, and I think that our gov has the right to deport him, since all visas are granted, and refused or revoked, by the power vested in the federal government.

Your stance is that the most important thing is due process for the human smuggler, who already had two deportation orders against him.

Yeah, those nasty allegations...nothing I'm aware of in the Constitution says that once you grant a visa to a foreigner, you are then obligated to give him a criminal trial before you can pull his visa.

(06-18-2025 10:52 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:51 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:42 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-18-2025 10:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The whole thing was a riff - a satirical look at your musings - which like the Babylon Bee here in recent years isn't actually too far off from reality. But yet you still didn't get that either. SMH. I see now why TripleA and others feel sorry for you.

Bummer that your 'satire' contained a crapload of really bad distortions, and outright falsehoods.

Maybe next time you have the stones when you are shown to mangle someone's position, and facts, you accept the shortcomings as such. Instead of trying to scurryi out of it as you do above.

A little help for you

I guess in your book 'satire' is simple falsehoods and distortions -- and a cheap seat way to cover them being exposed when called ou. Neat dance move, my friend.

Simple question -- How do you defend the comment "but the truckload of allegations against him are mere allegations even though there's literally a truckload of them" as anything but bunk in terms of a legal determination?

Last I saw an allegation is an allegation. A truckload of them doesnt change that in the slightest.

But -- please explain. The floor is yours, my friend.

Satire my ass. Lolz.

Truckload was your word and the fact you don't see the humor in what I wrote is your problem not mine.

And a cheap deflection is the response. Got it. Maybe read the request again.

You might want to brush up on the truckload. I think that was your introduction in your 'satire'.

I guess 'truckload' is now the rally point for literally a paragraph of stupid ass misstatements. Cool cool.

(06-18-2025 11:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Funny, I see video of Abrego Garcia driving a car full of people, with no luggage and no home address, from Texas to Maryland, and I think that our gov has the right to deport him, since all visas are granted, and refused or revoked, by the power vested in the federal government.

Your stance is that the most important thing is due process for the human smuggler, who already had two deportation orders against him.


Yeah, those nasty allegations...nothing I'm aware of in the Constitution says that once you grant a visa to a foreigner, you are then obligated to give him a criminal trial before you can pull his visa.

Nope as to the bolded.

Misstates the issue as to the italicized. But an excellent strawman. Like the rhetorical flourish of 'in the Constitution'.