(05-27-2025 02:43 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 02:38 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Putin is not a “western leader”. Get that part right first.

He still protects his people from the globalhomos, and that's close enough.

At what cost to their personal freedoms?

Why is that our business? Do you think Russian citizens care about OUR personal freedoms?

(05-27-2025 04:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All you war mongers wanting us in the middle of this conflict need to lace 'em up and go over there and fight them yourselves.

Or better yet send your sons and daughters to fight for you. They would be an acceptable loss for you, right?

Wrong again

I said all along don’t piece meal the Ukrainians. Stop with the Politicians war of giving just enough weapons to keep the enemy at bay but never enough to actually make a difference.

I have stated multiple times send some real bunker busting weapons over there that will bloody the nose of Putin and make him think twice is this really worth it.

Let him understand how costly this is actually going to be.

(05-28-2025 12:44 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why is that our business? Do you think Russian citizens care about OUR personal freedoms?

But they do theirs

So. What?

(05-28-2025 12:47 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 04:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All you war mongers wanting us in the middle of this conflict need to lace 'em up and go over there and fight them yourselves.

Or better yet send your sons and daughters to fight for you. They would be an acceptable loss for you, right?

Wrong again

I said all along don’t piece meal the Ukrainians. Stop with the Politicians war of giving just enough weapons to keep the enemy at bay but never enough to actually make a difference.


I have stated multiple times send some real bunker busting weapons over there that will bloody the nose of Putin and make him think twice is this really worth it.

Let him understand how costly this is actually going to be.

Even if we did that, it would not end the war.

Putin is not going to give those lands back and Zelenskyy is not going to accept anything less than him giving those lands back and publicly accepting responsibility for everything. There is zero chance of either of those things happening.

And from there Putin would likely escalate things even further in retaliation.

(05-28-2025 12:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:47 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 04:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All you war mongers wanting us in the middle of this conflict need to lace 'em up and go over there and fight them yourselves.

Or better yet send your sons and daughters to fight for you. They would be an acceptable loss for you, right?

Wrong again

I said all along don’t piece meal the Ukrainians. Stop with the Politicians war of giving just enough weapons to keep the enemy at bay but never enough to actually make a difference.


I have stated multiple times send some real bunker busting weapons over there that will bloody the nose of Putin and make him think twice is this really worth it.

Let him understand how costly this is actually going to be.

Even if we did that, it would not end the war.

Putin is not going to give those lands back and Zelenskyy is not going to accept anything less than him giving those lands back and publicly accepting responsibility for everything. There is zero chance of either of those things happening.

And from there Putin would likely escalate things even further in retaliation.

My proposition is let’s see if Putin has the stomach if his front lines are decimated.


If what you are saying is concrete solid then we find ourselves in that old saying between Scylla and Charybdis.

It seems history is making an attempt to repeating itself.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and Poland was part of Pre WW1 Germany. Poland was the breaking point of WW2.

(05-27-2025 10:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 09:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 05:38 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why should I pay for Ukraine’s ammo?

I don't want to be involved even tangentially in anyone's death who isn't a direct threat to me or mine nor do I wish to foot the bill for it.

All that Christianity in your sig yet you don’t want to have anything to do with helping those in need? Those less fortunate than you who are trying their best to push back a tyrant? You don’t care at all for the thousands dying and being maimed in Putin’s senseless war? Fascinating.

My mother was a full blooded Italian Catholic, you don't come close to guilting me like she did.

Where in my comment does it say I don't care about others? In fact, it is my concern for others that leads me to such a position. If you can't understand how that's on you.

(05-28-2025 07:40 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  When we get invaded, me and mine will fight.

Exactly. Until I perceive someone as a direct threat I'm good with most anyone.

(05-28-2025 12:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So. What?

They all got propagandized againt putin because he doesnt like teh gheys

Ive asked them a hundred times to tell me how putin is worse than our useless pos politicians. They cant.

Reeeeeeeee putin lover

(05-28-2025 12:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm ok with them just blowing each other up.

Not my bidness unless they start lobbing bombs at us.

(05-28-2025 05:27 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:47 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 04:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All you war mongers wanting us in the middle of this conflict need to lace 'em up and go over there and fight them yourselves.

Or better yet send your sons and daughters to fight for you. They would be an acceptable loss for you, right?

Wrong again

I said all along don’t piece meal the Ukrainians. Stop with the Politicians war of giving just enough weapons to keep the enemy at bay but never enough to actually make a difference.


I have stated multiple times send some real bunker busting weapons over there that will bloody the nose of Putin and make him think twice is this really worth it.

Let him understand how costly this is actually going to be.

Even if we did that, it would not end the war.

Putin is not going to give those lands back and Zelenskyy is not going to accept anything less than him giving those lands back and publicly accepting responsibility for everything. There is zero chance of either of those things happening.

And from there Putin would likely escalate things even further in retaliation.

My proposition is let’s see if Putin has the stomach if his front lines are decimated.


If what you are saying is concrete solid then we find ourselves in that old saying between Scylla and Charybdis.

It seems history is making an attempt to repeating itself.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and Poland was part of Pre WW1 Germany. Poland was the breaking point of WW2.

Ukraine
Did
Not
Exist
Ever
Until
1991

FFS

(05-28-2025 05:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So. What?

They all got propagandized againt putin because he doesnt like teh gheys

Ive asked them a hundred times to tell me how putin is worse than our useless pos politicians. They cant.

Reeeeeeeee putin lover

If you can’t see how diabolical Putin is for yourself, then there isn’t anything anyone could say to convince you otherwise.

You are throwing up a smoke screen conflating our useless Politicians with a cold blooded murderer of thousands of innocent folks with no conscience.

(05-28-2025 06:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 05:27 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:47 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 04:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All you war mongers wanting us in the middle of this conflict need to lace 'em up and go over there and fight them yourselves.

Or better yet send your sons and daughters to fight for you. They would be an acceptable loss for you, right?

Wrong again

I said all along don’t piece meal the Ukrainians. Stop with the Politicians war of giving just enough weapons to keep the enemy at bay but never enough to actually make a difference.


I have stated multiple times send some real bunker busting weapons over there that will bloody the nose of Putin and make him think twice is this really worth it.

Let him understand how costly this is actually going to be.

Even if we did that, it would not end the war.

Putin is not going to give those lands back and Zelenskyy is not going to accept anything less than him giving those lands back and publicly accepting responsibility for everything. There is zero chance of either of those things happening.

And from there Putin would likely escalate things even further in retaliation.

My proposition is let’s see if Putin has the stomach if his front lines are decimated.


If what you are saying is concrete solid then we find ourselves in that old saying between Scylla and Charybdis.

It seems history is making an attempt to repeating itself.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and Poland was part of Pre WW1 Germany. Poland was the breaking point of WW2.

Ukraine
Did
Not
Exist
Ever
Until
1991

FFS

Kievian Rus on line 1.

(05-28-2025 06:24 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 05:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So. What?

They all got propagandized againt putin because he doesnt like teh gheys

Ive asked them a hundred times to tell me how putin is worse than our useless pos politicians. They cant.

Reeeeeeeee putin lover

If you can’t see how diabolical Putin is for yourself, then there isn’t anything anyone could say to convince you otherwise.

You are throwing up a smoke screen conflating our useless Politicians with a cold blooded murderer of thousands of innocent folks with no conscience.

Lazy answer

(05-28-2025 06:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 06:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 05:27 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:47 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Wrong again

I said all along don’t piece meal the Ukrainians. Stop with the Politicians war of giving just enough weapons to keep the enemy at bay but never enough to actually make a difference.


I have stated multiple times send some real bunker busting weapons over there that will bloody the nose of Putin and make him think twice is this really worth it.

Let him understand how costly this is actually going to be.

Even if we did that, it would not end the war.

Putin is not going to give those lands back and Zelenskyy is not going to accept anything less than him giving those lands back and publicly accepting responsibility for everything. There is zero chance of either of those things happening.

And from there Putin would likely escalate things even further in retaliation.

My proposition is let’s see if Putin has the stomach if his front lines are decimated.


If what you are saying is concrete solid then we find ourselves in that old saying between Scylla and Charybdis.

It seems history is making an attempt to repeating itself.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and Poland was part of Pre WW1 Germany. Poland was the breaking point of WW2.

Ukraine
Did
Not
Exist
Ever
Until
1991

FFS

Kievian Rus on line 1.

You missed the pun. Kiev was Russia before Russia was.

If not for the Mongols killing, well, pretty much everyone in Kiev and everywhere else in Ukraine in 1240, Moscow would be a backwater that spoke Ukrainian.

(05-28-2025 06:24 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 05:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So. What?

They all got propagandized againt putin because he doesnt like teh gheys

Ive asked them a hundred times to tell me how putin is worse than our useless pos politicians. They cant.

Reeeeeeeee putin lover

If you can’t see how diabolical Putin is for yourself, then there isn’t anything anyone could say to convince you otherwise.

I’ve never met Putin. Based on your comment you have? Or were you merely repeating what your tv tells you?

(05-28-2025 12:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:47 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 04:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All you war mongers wanting us in the middle of this conflict need to lace 'em up and go over there and fight them yourselves.

Or better yet send your sons and daughters to fight for you. They would be an acceptable loss for you, right?

Wrong again

I said all along don’t piece meal the Ukrainians. Stop with the Politicians war of giving just enough weapons to keep the enemy at bay but never enough to actually make a difference.


I have stated multiple times send some real bunker busting weapons over there that will bloody the nose of Putin and make him think twice is this really worth it.

Let him understand how costly this is actually going to be.

Even if we did that, it would not end the war.

Putin is not going to give those lands back and Zelenskyy is not going to accept anything less than him giving those lands back and publicly accepting responsibility for everything. There is zero chance of either of those things happening.

And from there Putin would likely escalate things even further in retaliation.

Ive said from the start that BOTH sides will have to give up something they dont want to give up. I am not among those that believe Ukraine is going to get back all its lost lands---nor do I think Russia will get its wish that Ukraine be left with no army and no security alliances with the West. In the end---its going to be a land for security compromise---because thats the only realistic option to ending the war. Russia gets the lands they have conquered (and no more) and Ukraine gets a western backed security arrangement with real teeth---something thats close to a NATO Article 5 level of security guarantees from some group of western nations---at least 2 of which must be nuclear armed (probably France and the UK) with other nations like Poland, Turkey, and Germany (and perhaps others) providing additional firepower. I suspect we will in the end be involved---but Trump will play every card he can to avoid that if possible. If some form of American involvement is the only thing between peace and war---I suspect Trump will provide some sort of support (minimum possible) in order to make the deal work. I agree with your assessment that if anyone can get both sides to move toward a compromise----its Trump.

(05-28-2025 05:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 12:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So. What?

They all got propagandized againt putin because he doesnt like teh gheys

Ive asked them a hundred times to tell me how putin is worse than our useless pos politicians. They cant.

Reeeeeeeee putin lover

You’ve been told a hundred times. Not our fault you’re brick headed. And you know you are brick headed so don’t argue with me about that.