(05-27-2025 05:51 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If they BUY it from us I have no problem selling to them. Business all the time.

Great! You can remove that wedgie from your crack now

My sons always kid me “you hate everybody Dad”.

Well, maybe they aren’t kidding.

(05-27-2025 06:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  My sons always kid me “you hate everybody Dad”.

Well, maybe they aren’t kidding.

They're not wrong.

(05-27-2025 06:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  My sons always kid me “you hate everybody Dad”.

Well, maybe they aren’t kidding.

My kids call me Eeyore. Besides our spouses I’m sure our kids know us best

Fortunately or unfortunately.

(05-27-2025 04:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All you war mongers wanting us in the middle of this conflict need to lace 'em up and go over there and fight them yourselves.

Or better yet send your sons and daughters to fight for you. They would be an acceptable loss for you, right?

(05-27-2025 05:38 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why should I pay for Ukraine’s ammo?

I don't want to be involved even tangentially in anyone's death who isn't a direct threat to me or mine nor do I wish to foot the bill for it.

(05-27-2025 11:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Like Ive tried to explain to the Putin worshiping pro Russia cheer leader cult on this board---even Trump and Vance are finally starting to figure out that Russia is the real obstacle to a lasting peace in Ukraine---not the Ukrainian leadership---and not the Europeans. Russia is not our friend and they do not wish us well. For whatever reasons, some have a hard time understanding that Economic competitors are not the same thing as a military enemy. You can be an military ally of a nation and still be an economic competitor. We have economic interests all over the world. Its going to be impossible to defend those interests (rare earth resources for instance) in far flung areas if we dont have allies in the region. We certainly need to reconsider who we ally with and in what manner---but going it alone---while maintaining our current living and security standard all alone---is probably not really viable in a world with so many rising peer threats.

Please enlighten me at what point in history was Russia ever a friend?

US Generals wanted to attack Russia after Germany was defeated in WW2.

Russian Governments have been trouble since I don’t know when.

Nothing has changed.

(05-27-2025 09:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 05:38 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why should I pay for Ukraine’s ammo?

I don't want to be involved even tangentially in anyone's death who isn't a direct threat to me or mine nor do I wish to foot the bill for it.

All that Christianity in your sig yet you don’t want to have anything to do with helping those in need? Those less fortunate than you who are trying their best to push back a tyrant? You don’t care at all for the thousands dying and being maimed in Putin’s senseless war? Fascinating.

(05-27-2025 12:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  So did ICE get Tudor and send him back to Russia?

We could only be so lucky?

Tudor posted things that were Russian propaganda and at times lacking a soul when it came to the plight of humanity

(05-27-2025 10:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 09:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 05:38 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why should I pay for Ukraine’s ammo?

I don't want to be involved even tangentially in anyone's death who isn't a direct threat to me or mine nor do I wish to foot the bill for it.

All that Christianity in your sig yet you don’t want to have anything to do with helping those in need? Those less fortunate than you who are trying their best to push back a tyrant? You don’t care at all for the thousands dying and being maimed in Putin’s senseless war? Fascinating.

Not my job. Not speaking for TB4E.

(05-28-2025 03:10 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 10:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 09:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-27-2025 05:38 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why should I pay for Ukraine’s ammo?

I don't want to be involved even tangentially in anyone's death who isn't a direct threat to me or mine nor do I wish to foot the bill for it.

All that Christianity in your sig yet you don’t want to have anything to do with helping those in need? Those less fortunate than you who are trying their best to push back a tyrant? You don’t care at all for the thousands dying and being maimed in Putin’s senseless war? Fascinating.

Not my job. Not speaking for TB4E.

Doesn’t have to be ‘your’ job. As Rush used to say, and I paraphrase, “show me the book -Great Men Who Did Nothing-“

When we get invaded, me and mine will fight.

Well that is kind of you since the invasion will be bloodless with no shots fired after we lose economically and strategically around the globe.

It's like delaying and reaching for your wallet after someone else grabs the check at the bar.

(05-28-2025 07:40 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  When we get invaded, me and mine will fight.

Well 1812 was a long time ago.

Germany will increase financial and military aid to Ukraine, signaling

Europe’s move to replace the U.S. as Kyiv’s key military supporter.
Germany and Ukraine will start a joint program to produce long-range weapons for use against Russian targets, a new form of military cooperation.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/germany...8b?mod=mhp

The Trump policies are having desired effect. TDS inflicted notwithstanding, it is a positive development to view NATO from a 2025 perspective and not 1948.

(05-28-2025 08:04 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(05-28-2025 07:40 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  When we get invaded, me and mine will fight.

Well 1812 was a long time ago.

We have unfinished business lingering to the North.

I've refused to comment on this mess for a long time now, but here goes....

I still don't see how this ends without things getting far, far worse. Russia is not going to give up the areas they have taken, and Zelenskyy will never agree to anything unless Russia gives back all those lands and apologizes, which is NOT going to happen.

So there is just no conceivable exit ramp here, which means things are more likely to continue to escalate.

IMO both camps here on this board have gone too far off the ledge (its a very small group on both side though, just 3-4 posters). The pro Ukraine people who have cheered this war on from the jump will not be satisfied with ANYTHING other than regime change in Russia. And there is no chance of that without a world war. That is a totally unreasonable and unacceptable position. Meanwhile the other side has increasingly praised Putin as some kind of heroic person, when he is nothing but a murderer and tyrant.

As I have said all along, there are no real good guys here, only millions of innocent people caught in the middle. Ukraine is grossly corrupt and appears to have been laundering billions and possibly even child sex rings for western leaders, and Zelenskyy is a total scumbag. Putin on the other hand is a mass murderer and tyrant whose crimes are too numerous to count. I don't doubt he desires to retake former Soviet lands but I think its clear now he simply lacks the capability to. Over 3 years in now and he's locked in a stalemate on step #1 (Ukraine).

I pray I am wrong but I still don't see a way out of this without a massively escalated conflict involving many nations and Ukraine being a pile of rubble in the end.

I'm ok with them just blowing each other up.

If anyone in the world can negotiate an end to this its Trump. But I worry now its just too far gone for even him.

There is no workable settlement here that all sides are not going to hate, but that is how this often goes.

But every time I think Trump can't do something, he pulls it off. So I'm holding out hope.