RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:
(05-12-2025 05:37 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: So we spend half a billion now or half a billion in 4 years ( + inflation, + cost to security sweep the gift plane, + cost to transfer gift plane to Trump library)? Seems like a Trump ego thing and bad business decision. Par for the course for a guy that bankrupted a casino.
We’ll spend hundreds of millions to turn this plane into a functioning AF 1, and the plane will only be in public service for 2-3 years.
Trump wants a personal luxury jet. This has nothing to do with saving taxpayers a nickel.
dear flaming doofus, what part about the two new AF1's not being ready because Boeing decided to concentrate on DEI do you not get?
They need the planes NOW.
No they don’t
Five seconds of a Google search, Not Mensa. So easy to disprove.
Quote:The current Air Force One (VC-25A) aircraft, based on the Boeing 747-200B, is nearing the end of its operational life and is being replaced by new VC-25B aircraft (Boeing 747-8). This is primarily due to technological advancements and the need for updated communications and security systems to ensure the safety and security of the President during his travels. The current Air Force One is also less fuel-efficient than the new model, making it more expensive to operate.
The two new VC-25B are scheduled for delivery in ‘27 and ‘28. Trump just trying to pretend the current models are hooptie ps when they are probably two of the best maintained machines in the world.
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-12-2025 07:00 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: Hundreds of millions to turn this jet into an AF1, only to be in service to taxpayers for 2-3 years…. Talk about waste.
Did you read the post just above yours? The current one has reached the end of its operational life and is a security and safety risk to whatever president is using it.
Another quick search:
Quote:Converting the gift Boeing 747-8 from Qatar into a new Air Force One is estimated to cost...possibly millions of dollars.
Possibly millions. Not HUNDREDS of millions.
Do you ever get anything right?
Air Force 1 is engineered to withstand the shock of a nuclear blast. Its a fortress in the air.
Richard Aboulafia, an expert in military aircraft and managing director of AeroDynamic Advisory, said that even setting aside ethical concerns, accepting that plane to be an Air Force One would be troublesome for a host of reasons.
“It’s all based on an embarrassing misunderstanding of what Air Force One is meant to do,” Aboulafia said. “If it’s a gold-plated palace in the sky and nothing more, have at it. If it’s an actual tool [to be used in a] worst-case contingency [like nuclear war], then this ain’t it.”
Air Force One is not only used to ferry the president of the United States around the world; it is also meant to be a flying situation room that would allow the commander-in-chief to direct the U.S. military and government during a major catastrophe, such as World War III.
Such airplanes have been upgraded with capabilities including secure communications systems, military-grade power systems and classified self-defense systems to protect the president against a hostile attack, as well as a medical facility.
Air Force One aircraft have “one of the most exquisite comms suites on the planet,” said Doug Birkey, executive director of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies. “It functions as a command and control center under some of the most trying conditions [imaginable]. Even just day-to-day, that thing is hyper connected.”
“If [Trump] wants all the capabilities and features of Air Force One, this would be a step backwards,” Aboulafia said. “They’d have to start over again with what they’ve been working on with the other 747-8” under the VC-25B program.
Upgrading a 747 from scratch with those capabilities could take into the 2030s, Aboulafia said, and cost “billions and billions” of dollars.
“Even the ability to manage and communicate with military forces all over he the globe with encrypted comms — that’s a tremendously expensive undertaking,” Aboulafia said. “It is underway in the other 747-8s [slated for the VC-25B program], has been for years. Starting over again with the same plane would take a lot longer.”
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: We’ll spend hundreds of millions to turn this plane into a functioning AF 1, and the plane will only be in public service for 2-3 years.
Trump wants a personal luxury jet. This has nothing to do with saving taxpayers a nickel.
dear flaming doofus, what part about the two new AF1's not being ready because Boeing decided to concentrate on DEI do you not get?
They need the planes NOW.
No they don’t
Five seconds of a Google search, Not Mensa. So easy to disprove.
Quote:The current Air Force One (VC-25A) aircraft, based on the Boeing 747-200B, is nearing the end of its operational life and is being replaced by new VC-25B aircraft (Boeing 747-8). This is primarily due to technological advancements and the need for updated communications and security systems to ensure the safety and security of the President during his travels. The current Air Force One is also less fuel-efficient than the new model, making it more expensive to operate.
The two new VC-25B are scheduled for delivery in ‘27 and ‘28. Trump just trying to pretend the current models are hooptie ps when they are probably two of the best maintained machines in the world.
They were supposed to be delivered in 2024.
When Trump took office, they advised him that the deadline had slipped and it was likely 2027-2028 for the two.
We dont have time for them to miss another deadline. So this free plane is ideal to fill the void of Boeings failure because they concentrated on wokeness and DEI instead of getting 2 large presidential air force 1 planes built.
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: We’ll spend hundreds of millions to turn this plane into a functioning AF 1, and the plane will only be in public service for 2-3 years.
Trump wants a personal luxury jet. This has nothing to do with saving taxpayers a nickel.
dear flaming doofus, what part about the two new AF1's not being ready because Boeing decided to concentrate on DEI do you not get?
They need the planes NOW.
No they don’t
Five seconds of a Google search, Not Mensa. So easy to disprove.
Quote:The current Air Force One (VC-25A) aircraft, based on the Boeing 747-200B, is nearing the end of its operational life and is being replaced by new VC-25B aircraft (Boeing 747-8). This is primarily due to technological advancements and the need for updated communications and security systems to ensure the safety and security of the President during his travels. The current Air Force One is also less fuel-efficient than the new model, making it more expensive to operate.
The two new VC-25B are scheduled for delivery in ‘27 and ‘28. Trump just trying to pretend the current models are hooptie ps when they are probably two of the best maintained machines in the world.
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-12-2025 07:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: dear flaming doofus, what part about the two new AF1's not being ready because Boeing decided to concentrate on DEI do you not get?
They need the planes NOW.
No they don’t
Five seconds of a Google search, Not Mensa. So easy to disprove.
Quote:The current Air Force One (VC-25A) aircraft, based on the Boeing 747-200B, is nearing the end of its operational life and is being replaced by new VC-25B aircraft (Boeing 747-8). This is primarily due to technological advancements and the need for updated communications and security systems to ensure the safety and security of the President during his travels. The current Air Force One is also less fuel-efficient than the new model, making it more expensive to operate.
The two new VC-25B are scheduled for delivery in ‘27 and ‘28. Trump just trying to pretend the current models are hooptie ps when they are probably two of the best maintained machines in the world.
They were supposed to be delivered in 2024.
When Trump took office, they advised him that the deadline had slipped and it was likely 2027-2028 for the two.
We dont have time for them to miss another deadline. So this free plane is ideal to fill the void of Boeings failure because they concentrated on wokeness and DEI instead of getting 2 large presidential air force 1 planes built.
Nothing is free buttercup. If you want to put the president on a plane that would be a bigger security risk than the Bulter Farm Show Grounds in PA, then have at it.
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:28 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(05-12-2025 07:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-12-2025 07:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-12-2025 06:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: No they don’t
Five seconds of a Google search, Not Mensa. So easy to disprove.
Quote:The current Air Force One (VC-25A) aircraft, based on the Boeing 747-200B, is nearing the end of its operational life and is being replaced by new VC-25B aircraft (Boeing 747-8). This is primarily due to technological advancements and the need for updated communications and security systems to ensure the safety and security of the President during his travels. The current Air Force One is also less fuel-efficient than the new model, making it more expensive to operate.
The two new VC-25B are scheduled for delivery in ‘27 and ‘28. Trump just trying to pretend the current models are hooptie ps when they are probably two of the best maintained machines in the world.
They were supposed to be delivered in 2024.
When Trump took office, they advised him that the deadline had slipped and it was likely 2027-2028 for the two.
We dont have time for them to miss another deadline. So this free plane is ideal to fill the void of Boeings failure because they concentrated on wokeness and DEI instead of getting 2 large presidential air force 1 planes built.
Nothing is free buttercup. If you want to put the president on a plane that would be a bigger security risk than the Bulter Farm Show Grounds in PA, then have at it.
You are generational govt teat boy telling me nothing is free
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
Over 300 posts and almost 3,000 views, mostly screeching about Quatar presenting a legal gift of a plane for temporary presidential use, since a replacement plane will be at least 3 years late for the AF1 currently at the end of its operational life.
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(05-12-2025 07:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:
(05-12-2025 07:20 PM)TripleA Wrote: "Could" take into the 2030s and could take billions and billions...
Give it up, take the dang L, and go find something serious to gripe about.
Facts are troublesome for MAGA
Change your user name. It's false advertising.
Why would it take Boeing any less time or be less costly to convert this 13 YO plane that is not to specs, than to complete the planes they currently have in San Antonio?
The price tag per plane is going to be well over 2 billion dollars & the majority of cost isn’t in the decor; but in the engineering & electronics.
This is nothing more than a personal billion dollar vanity project on the taxpayers dime.
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2025 07:48 PM by Marc Mensa.)
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:28 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: Nothing is free buttercup. If you want to put the president on a plane that would be a bigger security risk than the Bulter Farm Show Grounds in PA, then have at it.
X, have you been secretly caucusing with Clarence?
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote: Over 300 posts and almost 3,000 views, mostly screeching about Quatar presenting a legal gift of a plane for temporary presidential use, since a replacement plane will be at least 3 years late for the AF1 currently at the end of its operational life.
The legality of the gift is not the concern. The cost of the gift is a concern, like when a game show contestant wins a new car and has to pay the taxes. In this case it would be retrofitting costs. Not to mention the huge national security risk it creates.
RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-12-2025 07:41 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(05-12-2025 07:31 PM)TripleA Wrote: Over 300 posts and almost 3,000 views, mostly screeching about Quatar presenting a legal gift of a plane for temporary presidential use, since a replacement plane will be at least 3 years late for the AF1 currently at the end of its operational life.
The legality of the gift is not the concern. The cost of the gift is a concern, like when a game show contestant wins a new car and has to pay the taxes. In this case it would be retrofitting costs. Not to mention the huge national security risk it creates.
That is about the worst analogy I have ever heard. We are worried about the costs to retrofit a a FREE Airliner now?
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