(04-30-2025 07:07 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote: (04-30-2025 06:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (04-30-2025 06:43 PM)TripleA Wrote: Back to due process. David Schoen, a former Trump impeachment attorney, just said on Ingraham that "We are on the verge of turning the Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."
Which is what those of us questioning "due process no matter the circumstances" have been saying.
What other fundamental rights do you wish to **** on?
Fundamental precepts of the Constitution are just that. Not a matter of expediency.
Im enthralled by the constant metronome of 'Levin (on Fox) said' and 'on Ingraham' that appear to form the base of your belief system.
And..... I looked at the Levin bit. Since you buy into that segment lock, stock, and two smoking shotguns as the height of educated knowledge, I guess you also agree with Levin that SCOTUS is a 'Politburo'. Not once, but at least 4 times.
Im glad that network is now the champion of suspending parts of the Constitution simply because, an that you buy into the expediency of simply suspending it (as you openly now support a position that advocates that backing due process is a suicide pact'.)
Given that -- what other fundamental rights do you think we should simply ignore simply because? Should be a simple question for you to answer given your soapbox above. I look forward to a semblance of an answer.
Can you answer the questions in Post #1223 in this Thread?
My arent you the insistent one tonite.
Sure thing.
Slaves -- SCOTUS ruled that slaves were property. Can no more afford due process to a slave than afford due process to a '83 Trans Am in their view.
Most find that all of: repugnant, misguided, and racist.
I hope that angle isnt the saving grace for a rationale for 'others' not being "persons" under the 5th and 14th in your view.
American Indians -- same story, slightly different tune. Consistent rulings that touched upon 'their own nation' were a cover for rulings denying due process. Even though due process was afforded Italians, Irish, Brits, French, various Germanic nationalities, Russsians blah blah blah blah.
Apparently non-naturalized Irish were afforded due process even though being of 'another nation', and American Indians were not while being of another nation.
Kind of obvious in the discrepancies that the rulings were permeated with rank discrimination based on 'red skin' or not.
Again, if you want to use either as a great counter-example for denying 'others' due process, that might be treading on some thin ice.
I see you havent explicitly made that argument. Just insistently asked for an answer twice in rapid succession tonite, which indicates some wish to use those as a grand counter example.
The argument that blacks, Indians, and whole host of others today arent 'persons' can be quite the balancing act to pull off without going full blown racist garbage. Id tread pretty lightly around that issue -- especially so given the explicit history of the groups and the rulings about them in a much, much, much earlier time.