(03-13-2025 03:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 02:16 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 01:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 11:26 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 10:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Nothing wrong with being skeptical. For example, I am skeptical that the demonstrators at Columbia/Barnard are aware that that being anti-Israel and anti-Jew are two different things, or, perhaps, that their leadership is.

But Rice got a "C". How should we feel about that?

I've already answered that. It could be a good thing.

Seems mediocre, whichever end of the spectrum one is on. I would prefer Rice to be outstandingly good.

My feeling is that the string pullers for these demonstrations are in the Middle East. The people actually protesting are largely just useful idiots. JMHO.

Outstandingly good at what? What does it take to get an "A"? If getting an "A" requires a university to be zealous about suppressing freedom of speech, I'd rather Rice be "mediocre". But that's assuming an "F" goes to schools that are actively antisemitic. If "F"'s are for schools that don't police students' political views and that allow freedom of expression, then "F" is a good grade.

Whether "A" or "F" is the best grade, "C" is mediocre.

That's like saying 60 F is a mediocre temperature at kickoff time, as opposed to 10 F or 110 F.

It's in the middle of the extremes. That's not the same as "mediocre". If the extremes are equally bad, then the middle isn't mediocre.

(03-13-2025 03:52 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 03:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 02:16 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 01:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 11:26 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I've already answered that. It could be a good thing.

Seems mediocre, whichever end of the spectrum one is on. I would prefer Rice to be outstandingly good.

My feeling is that the string pullers for these demonstrations are in the Middle East. The people actually protesting are largely just useful idiots. JMHO.

Outstandingly good at what? What does it take to get an "A"? If getting an "A" requires a university to be zealous about suppressing freedom of speech, I'd rather Rice be "mediocre". But that's assuming an "F" goes to schools that are actively antisemitic. If "F"'s are for schools that don't police students' political views and that allow freedom of expression, then "F" is a good grade.

Whether "A" or "F" is the best grade, "C" is mediocre.

That's like saying 60 F is a mediocre temperature at kickoff time, as opposed to 10 F or 110 F.

It's in the middle of the extremes. That's not the same as "mediocre". If the extremes are equally bad, then the middle isn't mediocre.

There go the goalposts. Wonder where they will end up this time.

Where before now did anybody say the extremes were equally bad?

I don't think in this case anybody can reasonably say the extremes are equally bad.


Bad analogy. These are grades(subjective), not temperatures(objective).

Let's say you have a pack of Hyenas on the left and a tiger on the right. Both choices are bad, but not equally so.

I think this is closer to a green shirt on the left and a blue one on the right. It is a matter of individual judgment as t which is preferable.

(03-13-2025 04:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 03:52 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 03:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 02:16 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 01:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Seems mediocre, whichever end of the spectrum one is on. I would prefer Rice to be outstandingly good.

My feeling is that the string pullers for these demonstrations are in the Middle East. The people actually protesting are largely just useful idiots. JMHO.

Outstandingly good at what? What does it take to get an "A"? If getting an "A" requires a university to be zealous about suppressing freedom of speech, I'd rather Rice be "mediocre". But that's assuming an "F" goes to schools that are actively antisemitic. If "F"'s are for schools that don't police students' political views and that allow freedom of expression, then "F" is a good grade.

Whether "A" or "F" is the best grade, "C" is mediocre.

That's like saying 60 F is a mediocre temperature at kickoff time, as opposed to 10 F or 110 F.

It's in the middle of the extremes. That's not the same as "mediocre". If the extremes are equally bad, then the middle isn't mediocre.

There go the goalposts. Wonder where they will end up this time.

Where before now did anybody say the extremes were equally bad?

I don't think in this case anybody can reasonably say the extremes are equally bad.


Bad analogy. These are grades(subjective), not temperatures(objective).

Let's say you have a pack of Hyenas on the left and a tiger on the right. Both choices are bad, but not equally so.

I think this is closer to a green shirt on the left and a blue one on the right. It is a matter of individual judgment as t which is preferable.

You can't have it both ways. You can't state definitively that C is mediocre, then turn around and argue that the grades are subjective. If the grades are subjective, and if the study definitions are ambiguous, then you can't state with any real and provable certainty that the extremes are not equally bad. You have no more idea than I do, and I don't claim to know. You say the grades are subjective - ok, then you can't assert that a C is better or worse than an A or an F.

You want your analogy to be tee shirt colors and you say it's a matter of individual judgement. Ok, fine. I can choose blue-green, and say it is best, in my individual judgement; and you cannot legitimately argue that the blue shirt is objectively better - because that's only your judgement.

It's your individual, subjective, judgement that C is mediocre. You can't prove it.

(03-13-2025 04:34 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 04:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 03:52 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 03:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 02:16 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Outstandingly good at what? What does it take to get an "A"? If getting an "A" requires a university to be zealous about suppressing freedom of speech, I'd rather Rice be "mediocre". But that's assuming an "F" goes to schools that are actively antisemitic. If "F"'s are for schools that don't police students' political views and that allow freedom of expression, then "F" is a good grade.

Whether "A" or "F" is the best grade, "C" is mediocre.

That's like saying 60 F is a mediocre temperature at kickoff time, as opposed to 10 F or 110 F.

It's in the middle of the extremes. That's not the same as "mediocre". If the extremes are equally bad, then the middle isn't mediocre.

There go the goalposts. Wonder where they will end up this time.

Where before now did anybody say the extremes were equally bad?

I don't think in this case anybody can reasonably say the extremes are equally bad.


Bad analogy. These are grades(subjective), not temperatures(objective).

Let's say you have a pack of Hyenas on the left and a tiger on the right. Both choices are bad, but not equally so.

I think this is closer to a green shirt on the left and a blue one on the right. It is a matter of individual judgment as t which is preferable.

You can't have it both ways. You can't state definitively that C is mediocre, then turn around and argue that the grades are subjective. If the grades are subjective, and if the study definitions are ambiguous, then you can't state with any real and provable certainty that the extremes are not equally bad. You have no more idea than I do, and I don't claim to know. You say the grades are subjective - ok, then you can't assert that a C is better or worse than an A or an F.

You want your analogy to be tee shirt colors and you say it's a matter of individual judgement. Ok, fine. I can choose blue-green, and say it is best, in my individual judgement; and you cannot legitimately argue that the blue shirt is objectively better - because that's only your judgement.

It's your individual, subjective, judgement that C is mediocre. You can't prove it.

When an F is defined as the extreme left of the political spectrum and an A is defined as extremist right-wingers then I would personally shoot for a C grade.

It is really bizarre to say that a C is always mediocre when you can’t define what an A is and what an F is.

(03-13-2025 04:34 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 04:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 03:52 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 03:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-13-2025 02:16 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Outstandingly good at what? What does it take to get an "A"? If getting an "A" requires a university to be zealous about suppressing freedom of speech, I'd rather Rice be "mediocre". But that's assuming an "F" goes to schools that are actively antisemitic. If "F"'s are for schools that don't police students' political views and that allow freedom of expression, then "F" is a good grade.

Whether "A" or "F" is the best grade, "C" is mediocre.

That's like saying 60 F is a mediocre temperature at kickoff time, as opposed to 10 F or 110 F.

It's in the middle of the extremes. That's not the same as "mediocre". If the extremes are equally bad, then the middle isn't mediocre.

There go the goalposts. Wonder where they will end up this time.

Where before now did anybody say the extremes were equally bad?

I don't think in this case anybody can reasonably say the extremes are equally bad.


Bad analogy. These are grades(subjective), not temperatures(objective).

Let's say you have a pack of Hyenas on the left and a tiger on the right. Both choices are bad, but not equally so.

I think this is closer to a green shirt on the left and a blue one on the right. It is a matter of individual judgment as t which is preferable.

You can't have it both ways. You can't state definitively that C is mediocre, then turn around and argue that the grades are subjective. If the grades are subjective, and if the study definitions are ambiguous, then you can't state with any real and provable certainty that the extremes are not equally bad. You have no more idea than I do, and I don't claim to know. You say the grades are subjective - ok, then you can't assert that a C is better or worse than an A or an F.

You want your analogy to be tee shirt colors and you say it's a matter of individual judgement. Ok, fine. I can choose blue-green, and say it is best, in my individual judgement; and you cannot legitimately argue that the blue shirt is objectively better - because that's only your judgement.

It's your individual, subjective, judgement that C is mediocre. You can't prove it.

What can you prove? That it is NOT mediocre?

Columbia

documentary shows connection between Hamas and campus protests

In one of the film’s most shocking revelations, senior "leaders of Hamas in America" are heard strategizing on how to infiltrate U.S. "media outlets, universities, and research centers" and coordinate their language to make Hamas most palatable to an American progressive audience.

"The Americans… we must address them from a position of rights and justice, and at the same time choose our words well," an unidentified voice says in the recording.

Organizations like the United Nations, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have accused Israel of committing "apartheid" and "genocide" while downplaying or staying silent on Hamas atrocities on Oct. 7, according to Sachs. She said that the silence from these groups drove her to make this film.

Amazing to me that a group can invade a peaceful gathering, murder, rape, and kidnap for ransom peaceful individuals, then portray themselves as the victims and then get otherwise intelligent Americans to support them.

(03-14-2025 12:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Amazing to me that a group can invade a peaceful gathering, murder, rape, and kidnap for ransom peaceful individuals, then portray themselves as the victims and then get otherwise intelligent Americans to support them.

Not so amazing, really. Fans and fanatics tend to excuse all kinds of bad behavior. Some people back Trump and defend his actions no matter how illegal or unconstitutional. You probably know a few people like that.

(03-14-2025 12:47 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 12:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Amazing to me that a group can invade a peaceful gathering, murder, rape, and kidnap for ransom peaceful individuals, then portray themselves as the victims and then get otherwise intelligent Americans to support them.

Not so amazing, really. Fans and fanatics tend to excuse all kinds of bad behavior. Some people back Trump and defend his actions no matter how illegal or unconstitutional. You probably know a few people like that.

I know some people on both sides of the aisle like that,, who will defend their team to the nth degree, regardless. But maybe you misunderstand what I mean by "the lesser evil". It is not synonymous with "perfect".

So are you defending those people who defend Hamas, on the basis that Israel is not perfect?

If Israel had parachuted troops into Hamasian territory to kill, rape, and kidnap, and then held the kidnapped people as hostages in terrible conditions, I would certainly be anti-Israel. But that's not what happened.

(03-14-2025 02:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So are you defending those people who defend Hamas, on the basis that Israel is not perfect?

I defend their 1st amendment rights, without regard to Israel's degree of perfection.

(03-14-2025 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So are you defending those people who defend Hamas, on the basis that Israel is not perfect?

I defend their 1st amendment rights, without regard to Israel's degree of perfection.

And without regard to Hamas' degree of perfection.

Right there with ya, pardner.

Like you, I defend the rights of antivaxers and climate change deniers to speak their minds. Even on Twitter social media.

And certainly the rights of all those Trump supporters. Even the ones who consider him the lesser evil rather than the Second Coming.

Older I get, the more I like the Constitution.

(03-14-2025 03:12 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So are you defending those people who defend Hamas, on the basis that Israel is not perfect?

I defend their 1st amendment rights, without regard to Israel's degree of perfection.

And without regard to Hamas' degree of perfection.

Right there with ya, pardner.

Like you, I defend the rights of antivaxers and climate change deniers to speak their minds. Even on Twitter social media.

And certainly the rights of all those Trump supporters. Even the ones who consider him the lesser evil rather than the Second Coming.

Older I get, the more I like the Constitution.

Disagreeing with your views does not equal telling you that you can't express them.

(03-14-2025 03:38 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:12 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So are you defending those people who defend Hamas, on the basis that Israel is not perfect?

I defend their 1st amendment rights, without regard to Israel's degree of perfection.

And without regard to Hamas' degree of perfection.

Right there with ya, pardner.

Like you, I defend the rights of antivaxers and climate change deniers to speak their minds. Even on Twitter social media.

And certainly the rights of all those Trump supporters. Even the ones who consider him the lesser evil rather than the Second Coming.

Older I get, the more I like the Constitution.

Disagreeing with your views does not equal telling you that you can't express them.

Except when they were defined as disinformation a couple of years back.

(03-14-2025 04:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:38 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:12 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So are you defending those people who defend Hamas, on the basis that Israel is not perfect?

I defend their 1st amendment rights, without regard to Israel's degree of perfection.

And without regard to Hamas' degree of perfection.

Right there with ya, pardner.

Like you, I defend the rights of antivaxers and climate change deniers to speak their minds. Even on Twitter social media.

And certainly the rights of all those Trump supporters. Even the ones who consider him the lesser evil rather than the Second Coming.

Older I get, the more I like the Constitution.

Disagreeing with your views does not equal telling you that you can't express them.

Except when they were defined as disinformation a couple of years back.

Has anyone on this board told you that you cannot say something?

(03-14-2025 06:09 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 04:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:38 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:12 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 02:21 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I defend their 1st amendment rights, without regard to Israel's degree of perfection.

And without regard to Hamas' degree of perfection.

Right there with ya, pardner.

Like you, I defend the rights of antivaxers and climate change deniers to speak their minds. Even on Twitter social media.

And certainly the rights of all those Trump supporters. Even the ones who consider him the lesser evil rather than the Second Coming.

Older I get, the more I like the Constitution.

Disagreeing with your views does not equal telling you that you can't express them.

Except when they were defined as disinformation a couple of years back.

Has anyone on this board told you that you cannot say something?

Yes. I referred to illegals once as wetbacks. What a brouhaha! Consider my speech corrected. Have to use only approved terms.

Funny, some lefties think it racist to refer to certain people as “illegals” just because they broke the law and are here illegally.

FTR, I was remembering the advice my Hispanic grandmother gave me when I was about 8 and living on the border - stay away from the wetbacks.

(03-15-2025 05:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 06:09 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 04:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:38 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:12 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  And without regard to Hamas' degree of perfection.

Right there with ya, pardner.

Like you, I defend the rights of antivaxers and climate change deniers to speak their minds. Even on Twitter social media.

And certainly the rights of all those Trump supporters. Even the ones who consider him the lesser evil rather than the Second Coming.

Older I get, the more I like the Constitution.

Disagreeing with your views does not equal telling you that you can't express them.

Except when they were defined as disinformation a couple of years back.

Has anyone on this board told you that you cannot say something?

Yes. I referred to illegals once as wetbacks. What a brouhaha! Consider my speech corrected. Have to use only approved terms.

Funny, some lefties think it racist to refer to certain people as “illegals” just because they broke the law and are here illegally.

FTR, I was remembering the advice my Hispanic grandmother gave me when I was about 8 and living on the border - stay away from the wetbacks.

I have zero recollection of a brouhaha over OO using the term wetback.

AFAICT using search function it seems he was reported for a post back in 2014 on the Kyla Memorial Spin Room.

So not here and not by anyone posting here.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-636453-post-94...pid9408668

(03-16-2025 05:43 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-15-2025 05:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 06:09 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 04:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 03:38 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  Disagreeing with your views does not equal telling you that you can't express them.

Except when they were defined as disinformation a couple of years back.

Has anyone on this board told you that you cannot say something?

Yes. I referred to illegals once as wetbacks. What a brouhaha! Consider my speech corrected. Have to use only approved terms.

Funny, some lefties think it racist to refer to certain people as “illegals” just because they broke the law and are here illegally.

FTR, I was remembering the advice my Hispanic grandmother gave me when I was about 8 and living on the border - stay away from the wetbacks.

I have zero recollection of a brouhaha over OO using the term wetback.

AFAICT using search function it seems he was reported for a post back in 2014 on the Kyla Memorial Spin Room.

So not here and not by anyone posting here.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-636453-post-94...pid9408668

I think 93 has an unhealthy obsession with me. Good thing he doesn’t know where I live (I hope). Last thing I need is a stalker.

If he hasn’t heard me use the term “wetback”, it is because I learned long ago it is best not to stir up the Smurfs with word choices, however apt. Tends to shift the discussion from the issues to the word choices.

In any case, I recently learned it is OK to substitute “ little brown people” for “illegals”. Whatever keeps,the peace.

Growing up on the border, a mixed Anglo/Hispanic child, and playing with a wide range of playmates, from full Anglo to full Spanish, and going to school with that entire range, I guess I failed to incur the racial animus attributed to me by the people here who want to stereotype me. But I did learn a different vocabulary than the one they want to force me to use. Using the old words is not smiled upon by the language police, and we certainly have some of those here (E. G. Kamala the slut).

The speech police have a little fit whenever they hear me say my aunt married a Mexican. But my Uncle Pepe was a citizen of Mexico. What else would you call him?

If it is OK with the speech cops, I shall return to using the term “wetbacks”, since now there is no problem with that. All good now?

>>> In any case, I recently learned it is OK to substitute “ little brown people” for “illegals”. Whatever keeps,the peace.


Its amazing how you keep miscontextualizing that. After second thought, no its not that amazing.

Please continue on your crusade of perpetually aggrieved and and near constant mischaracterization of the use of that phrase. Pretty gd pathetic.

(03-16-2025 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-16-2025 05:43 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-15-2025 05:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 06:09 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-14-2025 04:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Except when they were defined as disinformation a couple of years back.

Has anyone on this board told you that you cannot say something?

Yes. I referred to illegals once as wetbacks. What a brouhaha! Consider my speech corrected. Have to use only approved terms.

Funny, some lefties think it racist to refer to certain people as “illegals” just because they broke the law and are here illegally.

FTR, I was remembering the advice my Hispanic grandmother gave me when I was about 8 and living on the border - stay away from the wetbacks.

I have zero recollection of a brouhaha over OO using the term wetback.

AFAICT using search function it seems he was reported for a post back in 2014 on the Kyla Memorial Spin Room.

So not here and not by anyone posting here.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-636453-post-94...pid9408668

I think 93 has an unhealthy obsession with me. Good thing he doesn’t know where I live (I hope). Last thing I need is a stalker.

If he hasn’t heard me use the term “wetback”, it is because I learned long ago it is best not to stir up the Smurfs with word choices, however apt. Tends to shift the discussion from the issues to the word choices.

In any case, I recently learned it is OK to substitute “ little brown people” for “illegals”. Whatever keeps,the peace.

Growing up on the border, a mixed Anglo/Hispanic child, and playing with a wide range of playmates, from full Anglo to full Spanish, and going to school with that entire range, I guess I failed to incur the racial animus attributed to me by the people here who want to stereotype me. But I did learn a different vocabulary than the one they want to force me to use. Using the old words is not smiled upon by the language police, and we certainly have some of those here (E. G. Kamala the slut).

The speech police have a little fit whenever they hear me say my aunt married a Mexican. But my Uncle Pepe was a citizen of Mexico. What else would you call him?

If it is OK with the speech cops, I shall return to using the term “wetbacks”, since now there is no problem with that. All good now?

Dude loves to post dishonest BS that is easily verifiable as dishonest BS.

Dude hates to get called out on his dishonest BS.