RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-09-2025 09:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(03-09-2025 09:13 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:
(03-08-2025 11:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(03-08-2025 11:44 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: It’s the freaking NYT. Why would anyone fall for this? Even if some of it is true it’s still half truths which means exaggerations added. The WSJ was caught lying about the administration recently and was rebuked for it
Not a lie. Fox reported it, too. Verified through a few peeps. Musk criticized Rubio for not cutting enough, but 1500 took leave,and Duffy was upset that Musk cut some controllers, which Duffy didn't want to do.
They worked out a solution with Trump, but yeah, it's real.
Several conservative commentators have posted it on X, as well.
Of course, no doubt it is overblown. What's a lie is that it's still a problem, and that Musk and Trump have an issue. Nope. But the gist of a tug-of-war is true. There are way more sources than the NYT who verified it, to some level.
Like who? I’ve seen a bunch of conservative grifters on X in order to get paid will repeat anything for engagements. Very frustrating of late
I don't remember. But Fox reported on it, as well.
Geez, it's no big deal. If you think all those alpha males get in a room and never clash, that's not realistic. The reasons given seem logical.
Musk questioned Rubio's level of cuts, and Rubio said 1500 took retirement. Duffy's question allegedly had to do with cuts of ATCs, which is not needed.
But then all of them sat together at dinner at Mar-a-Lago, lol.
Bottom line is there is no permanent rift between them, but if you think they never have clashes in meetings, that's just not logical.
It likely happened, but was nothing more than what happens in businesses everyday. Marco isnt a business man. Trump and Musk are. Musk is telling him he's got to cut. Marco acting like 1500 people taking early leave is plenty of cuts. Musk tells him its not. Trump lets them go back and forth to prove their points. Trump then says Marco is doing a good job, and will be responsible for making the cuts, but Marco WILL be making the cuts.
In the business world I see about 2 of these types of interactions each day prior to lunch.
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2025 09:33 AM by UofMstateU.)
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-09-2025 09:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(03-09-2025 09:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(03-09-2025 09:13 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:
(03-08-2025 11:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(03-08-2025 11:44 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: It’s the freaking NYT. Why would anyone fall for this? Even if some of it is true it’s still half truths which means exaggerations added. The WSJ was caught lying about the administration recently and was rebuked for it
Not a lie. Fox reported it, too. Verified through a few peeps. Musk criticized Rubio for not cutting enough, but 1500 took leave,and Duffy was upset that Musk cut some controllers, which Duffy didn't want to do.
They worked out a solution with Trump, but yeah, it's real.
Several conservative commentators have posted it on X, as well.
Of course, no doubt it is overblown. What's a lie is that it's still a problem, and that Musk and Trump have an issue. Nope. But the gist of a tug-of-war is true. There are way more sources than the NYT who verified it, to some level.
Like who? I’ve seen a bunch of conservative grifters on X in order to get paid will repeat anything for engagements. Very frustrating of late
I don't remember. But Fox reported on it, as well.
Geez, it's no big deal. If you think all those alpha males get in a room and never clash, that's not realistic. The reasons given seem logical.
Musk questioned Rubio's level of cuts, and Rubio said 1500 took retirement. Duffy's question allegedly had to do with cuts of ATCs, which is not needed.
But then all of them sat together at dinner at Mar-a-Lago, lol.
Bottom line is there is no permanent rift between them, but if you think they never have clashes in meetings, that's just not logical.
It likely happened, but was nothing more than what happens in businesses everyday. Marco isnt a business man. Trump and Musk are. Musk is telling him he's got to cut. Marco acting like 1500 people taking early leave is plenty of cuts. Musk tells him its not. Trump lets them go back and forth to prove their points. Trump then says Marco is doing a good job, and will be responsible for making the cuts, but Marco WILL be making the cuts.
In the business world I see about 2 of these types of interactions each day prior to lunch.
Yep. Totally agree. I was in hundreds of meetings just like that.
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
This is very hard for Demonics to understand, since they all walk lock-step with each other. No one disagrees with anyone...until lately when Jeffries was ignored.
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
Trump just did a presser on Air Force One and acknowledged that Elon and Marco got into a dustup in the Cabinet meeting. Said they both said their peace, and that was the end of it. Said it's to be expected when you put highly successful people in a room together. All strong personalities.
Nobody mentioned Duffy.
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2025 06:56 PM by TripleA.)
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-09-2025 08:48 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(03-09-2025 02:22 AM)DavidSt Wrote:
(03-09-2025 12:54 AM)TripleA Wrote: Now somebody is slinging BS, lol.
Here's a quick fact. About 92-98% of all civil service workers in DC vote for and donate to Dems.
People who were laid off where in Red states for the SSA offices and all that. West Virginia, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas had SSA offices closed and a lot of people laid off from them. VA hospitals are not in DC as they are in all 50 states. A lot of VA staff are vets themselves who served in the military in wars and all that.
Now, a lot of these elderly have to go like 100 miles at least to get in person interviews. They said virtually is hard for older people who don't have computers and internet to file a claim.
No, the issue with the SSA and VA were that they were only located in sh*thole sanctuary cities, where veterans and others had to travel hours from their home to get there. And because they were located in sh*thole sanctuary cities, the workers were not Trump supporters. You should probably look at the party voting record of a sh*thole city government worker and see how lopsided it is.
The SSA office in Texarkana is not a sanctuary city. It is being shut down by DOGE. Musk is going in there slashing without trying to to be careful. When he did that, he had to correct his mistakes. The people being fired are not even part of the Deep State. Republican Senators had to take Musk behind closed doors and told him to stop. They are the ones who control the purse strings, not him. The money are already earmarked to be spent for these programs, and him and Trump can't freeze that money. Bernie Sanders went to Kenosha Wisconsin to a full crowd in a deep red districts getting cheers from Maga voters. Maga voters did not want Musk involved either. Republicans are now afraid of their own voters because they are mad and booing them when they bring up Musk's name.
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-09-2025 07:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:
(03-09-2025 08:48 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(03-09-2025 02:22 AM)DavidSt Wrote:
(03-09-2025 12:54 AM)TripleA Wrote: Now somebody is slinging BS, lol.
Here's a quick fact. About 92-98% of all civil service workers in DC vote for and donate to Dems.
People who were laid off where in Red states for the SSA offices and all that. West Virginia, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas had SSA offices closed and a lot of people laid off from them. VA hospitals are not in DC as they are in all 50 states. A lot of VA staff are vets themselves who served in the military in wars and all that.
Now, a lot of these elderly have to go like 100 miles at least to get in person interviews. They said virtually is hard for older people who don't have computers and internet to file a claim.
No, the issue with the SSA and VA were that they were only located in sh*thole sanctuary cities, where veterans and others had to travel hours from their home to get there. And because they were located in sh*thole sanctuary cities, the workers were not Trump supporters. You should probably look at the party voting record of a sh*thole city government worker and see how lopsided it is.
The SSA office in Texarkana is not a sanctuary city. It is being shut down by DOGE. Musk is going in there slashing without trying to to be careful. When he did that, he had to correct his mistakes. The people being fired are not even part of the Deep State. Republican Senators had to take Musk behind closed doors and told him to stop. They are the ones who control the purse strings, not him. The money are already earmarked to be spent for these programs, and him and Trump can't freeze that money. Bernie Sanders went to Kenosha Wisconsin to a full crowd in a deep red districts getting cheers from Maga voters. Maga voters did not want Musk involved either. Republicans are now afraid of their own voters because they are mad and booing them when they bring up Musk's name.
As far as the SSA offices in Arkansas. Good. Because we dont need that many. There is literally almost no reason a person has to go the SSA, so why Arkansas needed at least 16 of them is mind boggling. Its an SSA office, not freaking walmart. A single office in Little Rock would do just fine.
Quote:White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt dismissed any notion that there is a rift between Secretary of State Marco Rubio and DOGE chief Elon Musk, hammering the media for continually trying to drive that wedge.
Democrats have consistently tried to create havoc between Donald Trump and Musk by suggesting Musk is the man running the show at the White House. When that didn't work, they pivoted to an attempt to create havoc in Rubio and Musk's relationship.
It is an attempt that Leavitt defines as "pitiful."
"Everybody is on board with President Trump's mission and DOGE's mission to identify this waste and fraud, to be good stewards of the American taxpayers' money, and both Elon and Marco are doing an incredible job in their respective roles, and that's true of everybody in President Trump's cabinet," Leavitt told "Fox & Friends" over the weekend.
"He [Trump] has really put together an extraordinary team, and I think it's pitiful that the mainstream media is working overtime to try to divide President Trump from Elon and from other members of his cabinet, but their attempts are failing," she added. "Everybody is working as one team towards one goal, and it's to make America great again."
Leavitt is responding to a recent report by the New York Times, which asserted there was some animosity between Musk and Rubio at a recent cabinet meeting.
The crux of their alleged clash involved claims that Musk excoriated Rubio for not slashing enough staff at the State Department. At the same time, the former Florida Senator noted that 1,500 buyouts should be counted as layoffs.
If you ever want a lesson in Media Bias 101, have a go at reading the Times report. They castigate Musk immediately by snidely referring to him as "the richest man in the world" rather than the successful head of multiple companies, including X, of whom he slashed the workforce and maintained a successful social media model.
They also throw in adjectives meant to sway the reader. Rubio was "incensed." Musk spoke to him "scornfully." It's less a news report than a flowery attempt at storytime.
In the end, though, the Times admits, "Cabinet officials almost uniformly like the concept of what Mr. Musk set out to do — reducing waste, fraud, and abuse in government."
So they love what he's doing but want to debate a bit about the approach. As Leavitt explains, it was a "productive" meeting with "open dialogue," something one might expect from adults in a room trying to implement the President's agenda.
It's not the first time Leavitt has had to address the so-called palace intrigue behind the dynamic of President Trump's cabinet and Mr. Musk. She mocked such efforts as the legacy media simply being unable to understand the administration is setting about the work of making America great again and having a good time doing it.
It's that "joy" they spoke so much about during the campaign.
"I think that's something the press are having a hard time with. We are genuinely having so much fun, and this is why you're seeing them obsess over Elon Musk and President Trump," she said during a recent podcast.
Trump himself had to shut down a reporter for being a "troublemaker" by stirring up the Rubio-Musk narrative.
When the reporter asked about the New York Times story, Trump quickly shut him down.
“No clash. I was there — you’re just a troublemaker,” the President fired back. “And you’re not supposed to be asking that question because we’re talking about the World Cup.”
It's like swatting away children at this point.
Elon Musk and DOGE are bringing much-needed accountability to our out-of-control bureaucracy as they take a chainsaw to rampant waste, fraud, and abuse.
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-08-2025 09:24 PM)TripleA Wrote: The dustup between Musk vs. Rubio and Duffy reportedly did happen, nobody is really disputing it, but all is well, and there is certainly no issue with Trump and Elon.
Trump handled it correctly. Musk makes recommendations. Department heads make the final decisions.
Really? You're buying NYT on this?
Musk: "So how many state department workers have been released"
Rubio: 1500...
Musk: "Is that our limit?"
Trump: Sounds like a good number at this point and time. Debate over.
(This post was last modified: 03-10-2025 11:04 AM by DaSaintFan.)
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-10-2025 11:03 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:
(03-08-2025 09:24 PM)TripleA Wrote: The dustup between Musk vs. Rubio and Duffy reportedly did happen, nobody is really disputing it, but all is well, and there is certainly no issue with Trump and Elon.
Trump handled it correctly. Musk makes recommendations. Department heads make the final decisions.
Really? You're buying NYT on this?
Musk: "So how many state department workers have been released"
Rubio: 1500...
Musk: "Is that our limit?"
Trump: Sounds like a good number at this point and time. Debate over.
No, I'm buying Fox reporting it, and Trump basically admitting it on Air Force One yesterday, which I watched.
Nobody is denying it happened. The issue is how extreme it was or not. The MSM is obviously blowing it up out of proportion, but I'm not buying your version, either.
These are all high A-type personalities.
I didn't report it b/c I thought it was the end of the world. Have you not read my posts for the last so many years?
I posted it b/c it is interesting, and not the typical run-of-the-mill news.
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-10-2025 12:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(03-10-2025 12:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:
MSM looking for anything to drive a wedge in the Trump Administration.
Let’s be honest.
It’s ALL they can do to help the disturbed and disappointing Democrat Party.
Hard to be the media wing of the Left when no one believes anything you report. Yes that includes the fair and balanced clowns of Fox News.
I get the angst over Fox to some degree, but I don't see another TV choice. Newsmax is boring as hell, and I get no other conservative choice.
I prefer viewing to reading, and I'm sure as hell not watching CNN or MSDNC.
I understand. I haven’t cared about Fox since the early call of Arizona in 2020. Rupert’s kids are Leftists. They more control they get, the less fair and balanced news we’ll get.
Personally I do local news for the weather and some sports. All national news I do nothing but new media.
I like to hear both sides of every issue. I want to hear THE story not A story.
I listen to about a dozen podcasts a day. Some Left, some Right.
It takes a lot of effort to be well informed today because of both sides push a narrative, not the news.
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
(03-10-2025 01:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:
(03-10-2025 12:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:
(03-10-2025 12:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:
MSM looking for anything to drive a wedge in the Trump Administration.
Let’s be honest.
It’s ALL they can do to help the disturbed and disappointing Democrat Party.
Hard to be the media wing of the Left when no one believes anything you report. Yes that includes the fair and balanced clowns of Fox News.
I get the angst over Fox to some degree, but I don't see another TV choice. Newsmax is boring as hell, and I get no other conservative choice.
I prefer viewing to reading, and I'm sure as hell not watching CNN or MSDNC.
I understand. I haven’t cared about Fox since the early call of Arizona in 2020. Rupert’s kids are Leftists. They more control they get, the less fair and balanced news we’ll get.
Personally I do local news for the weather and some sports. All national news I do nothing but new media.
I like to hear both sides of every issue. I want to hear THE story not A story.
I listen to about a dozen podcasts a day. Some Left, some Right.
It takes a lot of effort to be well informed today because of both sides push a narrative, not the news.
I don't see much change on Fox. Yes, the kids are lefties, but the on air product seems the same as always. I watch it all day. Well, muted, and turn up the volume when an interesting story comes on.
Ironically, I can't stand any of the prime time hosts, but they have the best guests and topics.
Not perfect but best we can do. Newsmax I've sampled many times, but their hosts just aren't good. Sooo damn boring, and much more right than Fox. I don't like that, either.
RE: Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
Quote:Not perfect but best we can do. Newsmax I've sampled many times, but their hosts just aren't good. Sooo damn boring, and much more right than Fox. I don't like that, either.
Ironically Newsmax, although Right bend, literally IMO, covers the stories the best in terms of both sides, but as you said AAA, every frickin' one of them seems to come across as well... (what's the blandest food in the world?).
I'm tryng to get into watching American Voice, but I may start considering "The F1rst" on Pluto (but I do know they're OVERLY right wing with their host lists)
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Musk at odds with Rubio and Duffy in Cabinet meeting over DOGE firings
