(02-28-2025 08:56 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-27-2025 06:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Let’s be honest, if Trump’s name was on the Epstein list, the Biden Administration, Harris-Walz Campaign, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, NYT and countless other Leftist news agencies would have released the details sometime after January 21, 2021 and before November 5, 2024.

100% guaranteed

Also 100% guaranteed if Biden was on any client list.

That being said, do we have ANY information corroborating that any of them have ever seen a client list?

And this would track...have to imagine someone engaged in this type of criminal activity probably didn't keep detailed records of it.

Quote:Julie K. Brown, who broke the story about Epstein’s crimes for the Miami Herald, said on X on Wednesday, “There is no Jeffrey Epstein client list. Period. It's a figment of the internet's imagination — and a means to just slander people.” FBI officials who worked on the case also told Brown there’s no evidence Epstein kept a list of “clients” involved with his alleged trafficking operation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...t-to-know/

There IS a flight log.

Yeah...and...trump is in it. So what does that prove? It proves nothing other than being on a plane together.

donald trump Named in Jeffrey Epstein Flight Logs Released by His Own Attorney General

(02-28-2025 08:59 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:57 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:44 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  A contact list of addresses isn’t what everyone wants to know. Unredacted flight logs, actual information on blackmail and who is compromised, etc is what everyone is wanting to see

Nobody except the FBI is ever going to see that.

And if FBI officials are willing to go to jail for the coverup, then go ahead and charge them.

Yup. But just use some common sense. Why would any FBI officials cover up something that we all know would hit both political parties and lots of high profile people from all political spectrums? Especially when it would likely be pretty easy to uncover such corruption.

Others may find this hard to believe, but deviant behavior...including pedophilia...is not akin to political persuasion.

I want to know where Epstein’s money came from. There has never been a definitive explanation. We now know billions could be spent by USAID and no one knows where it went. Did the power brokers set up their own little whorehouse run by a handpicked john to service them in a way it would never get out? Then at the same time gather useful compromising material on others?

(02-28-2025 09:21 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:59 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:57 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:44 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  A contact list of addresses isn’t what everyone wants to know. Unredacted flight logs, actual information on blackmail and who is compromised, etc is what everyone is wanting to see

Nobody except the FBI is ever going to see that.

And if FBI officials are willing to go to jail for the coverup, then go ahead and charge them.

Yup. But just use some common sense. Why would any FBI officials cover up something that we all know would hit both political parties and lots of high profile people from all political spectrums? Especially when it would likely be pretty easy to uncover such corruption.

Others may find this hard to believe, but deviant behavior...including pedophilia...is not akin to political persuasion.

There are a plethora of reasons they wouldn’t hand it all over. It could still be politically motivated in some way, maybe the FBI dropped the ball throughout the case and they don’t want it to become public knowledge.

I’m sure it will implicate republicans and democrats. It’s not even about that for me.

At the end of the day, it’s really about accountability and oversight.

(02-28-2025 09:26 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:21 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:59 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:57 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:44 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  A contact list of addresses isn’t what everyone wants to know. Unredacted flight logs, actual information on blackmail and who is compromised, etc is what everyone is wanting to see

Nobody except the FBI is ever going to see that.

And if FBI officials are willing to go to jail for the coverup, then go ahead and charge them.

Yup. But just use some common sense. Why would any FBI officials cover up something that we all know would hit both political parties and lots of high profile people from all political spectrums? Especially when it would likely be pretty easy to uncover such corruption.

Others may find this hard to believe, but deviant behavior...including pedophilia...is not akin to political persuasion.

There are a plethora of reasons they wouldn’t hand it all over. It could still be politically motivated in some way, maybe the FBI dropped the ball throughout the case and they don’t want it to become public knowledge.

I’m sure it will implicate republicans and democrats. It’s not even about that for me.

At the end of the day, it’s really about accountability and oversight.

Yeah...agree. I guess I was thinking those suggesting a coverup were claiming it's to keep a certain political figure or celebrity from being outed...not to coverup mistakes in the investigation. But that seems unlikely to me and anything like that would have to involve many folks. More people involved would tend to make it harder to keep under wraps.

Flight logs prior to the original 2008 conviction of Epstein dont mean as much as those who associated with Epstein AFTER 2008. And flight logs where a person travelled to Epstein island AFTER 2008 are particularly damning.

Flight logs DO mean a lot.

If someone is on there once? Maybe they slide.

If someone is on there fifty or hundred times, they have some explaining to do.

(02-28-2025 09:26 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I want to know where Epstein’s money came from. There has never been a definitive explanation. We now know billions could be spent by USAID and no one knows where it went. Did the power brokers set up their own little whorehouse run by a handpicked john to service them in a way it would never get out? Then at the same time gather useful compromising material on others?

It was alleged at the time that a LOT of his money came from the Victorias Secret Owner/CEO IIRC.
I figured this was all a side gig for some of the girls trying to climb that ladder. No shortage of young girls trying to “make it” in modeling, tv, film etc ending up on the “casting couch”, see that ugly pig Weinstein for example.

I also recall at the time AFTER this guy got that unbelievable sweetheart deal in South Florida allowing him part time house arrest and being allowed to “go to his office” 4 days a week as a convicted whatever he was, it screamed “compromised” on prosecutors, judges etc.

I also recall a flurry of flights to and from Pedo Island as this all went down clearing the entire place out including surveillance tapes, audible recordings and all kinda of stuff.

Waaaaaaay more than a phone book and a handful of flight logs.

And why would any of this stuff need to end up in NYC? Instead of S. Fl. Which was the original and closest jurisdiction?

Why NYC and not St Louis, Austin or Des Moines? Why New York City?

(02-28-2025 10:07 AM)Claw Wrote:  Flight logs DO mean a lot.

If someone is on there once? Maybe they slide.

If someone is on there fifty or hundred times, they have some explaining to do.

Not for legal purposes. They don't prove any sort of illegal activity on their own.

But I am troubled if you think it does, that you seem to be giving them a pass because they only went to sleep with underage girls once.

(02-28-2025 10:07 AM)Claw Wrote:  Flight logs DO mean a lot.

If someone is on there once? Maybe they slide.

If someone is on there fifty or hundred times, they have some explaining to do.

Eh, it circumstantial evidence. Playing devils advocate, if I were defending a person on the list the argument is being on the list does not mean you were banging underaged girls. There are probably gay dudes and heterosexual women on the list. A good lawyer would argue his client was catching a ride or attending a fundraiser and never witnessed bad behavior.

The State will have the burden of proof. The flight logs will be enough to get an indictment, but it won’t be enough to convict IMHO.

In a way I'm glad Trumps name is on the list, otherwise the Demonics would be screaming that Bondi was doing a coverup for him. Now, they can't and have to admit that many of THEIR people are on there.

No coverups by Bondi.

(02-28-2025 09:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Flight logs prior to the original 2008 conviction of Epstein dont mean as much as those who associated with Epstein AFTER 2008. And flight logs where a person travelled to Epstein island AFTER 2008 are particularly damning.

For personal character and optics, of course. But that alone would not amount to any sort of illegal activity that the FBI would necessarily be concerned with.

And before you go there, no, I'm not excusing anyone who associated with that creep after they knew of his sexual proclivities.

(02-28-2025 10:14 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  In a way I'm glad Trumps name is on the list, otherwise the Demonics would be screaming that Bondi was doing a coverup for him. Now, they can't and have to admit that many of THEIR people are on there.

No coverups by Bondi.

Again, trumps name is only in his address book...and flight logs. He's not on a "list" of clients engaging in illegal activity...there likely is no such list that exists.

Does anyone else find it odd that Bloated Tom seems so heavily invested in hoping this info doesn't come out and/or that it's no big deal?

(02-28-2025 10:26 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Does anyone else find it odd that Bloated Tom seems so heavily invested in hoping this info doesn't come out and/or that it's no big deal?

Toms heroes are on the list

(02-28-2025 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Flight logs prior to the original 2008 conviction of Epstein dont mean as much as those who associated with Epstein AFTER 2008. And flight logs where a person travelled to Epstein island AFTER 2008 are particularly damning.

For personal character and optics, of course. But that alone would not amount to any sort of illegal activity that the FBI would necessarily be concerned with.

And before you go there, no, I'm not excusing anyone who associated with that creep after they knew of his sexual proclivities.

I have to admit, I am not in disagreement with Tom here. The flight log in itself will be enough to get an indictment, but they are going to need additional evidence such as fact witness testimony, financial records, etc to get a conviction. It’s not going to be easy. I am sure the parties were very cautious so that money can’t be directly tied back to them and witnesses aren’t always reliable, have poor memories, aren’t credible, etc.

That being said the flight logs will be a start. A lot of discovery will have to take place to seal the deal.

(02-28-2025 10:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Flight logs prior to the original 2008 conviction of Epstein dont mean as much as those who associated with Epstein AFTER 2008. And flight logs where a person travelled to Epstein island AFTER 2008 are particularly damning.

For personal character and optics, of course. But that alone would not amount to any sort of illegal activity that the FBI would necessarily be concerned with.

And before you go there, no, I'm not excusing anyone who associated with that creep after they knew of his sexual proclivities.

I have to admit, I am not in disagreement with Tom here. The flight log in itself will be enough to get an indictment, but they are going to need additional evidence such as fact witness testimony, financial records, etc to get a conviction. It’s not going to be easy. I am sure the parties were very cautious so that money can’t be directly tied back to them and witnesses aren’t always reliable, have poor memories, aren’t credible, etc.

That being said the flight logs will be a start. A lot of discovery will have to take place to seal the deal.

And, while that may all be true, it has nothing to do with releasing the info. For anyone to be against the release of ALL the info, shows one seriously depraved human being.

(02-28-2025 10:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Flight logs prior to the original 2008 conviction of Epstein dont mean as much as those who associated with Epstein AFTER 2008. And flight logs where a person travelled to Epstein island AFTER 2008 are particularly damning.

For personal character and optics, of course. But that alone would not amount to any sort of illegal activity that the FBI would necessarily be concerned with.

And before you go there, no, I'm not excusing anyone who associated with that creep after they knew of his sexual proclivities.

I have to admit, I am not in disagreement with Tom here. The flight log in itself will be enough to get an indictment, but they are going to need additional evidence such as fact witness testimony, financial records, etc to get a conviction. It’s not going to be easy. I am sure the parties were very cautious so that money can’t be directly tied back to them and witnesses aren’t always reliable, have poor memories, aren’t credible, etc.

That being said the flight logs will be a start. A lot of discovery will have to take place to seal the deal.

I can't imagine the trump DOJ or FBI putting that much manpower and expense into such an investigation. It would take years and tons of money for no guaranteed convictions of anyone.

There will be a lot of rich women stemming from their lawsuits. A lot of bankrupt millionaires using their money on the lawsuits and in defending themselves.

Oooooh, I'll bet Killery is mucho mad at Billy Bob right now. I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that fight. Billy might have to suicide himself.

We are seeing a rash of celebrities ACTUALLY LEAVING the country this time.

Is it because of Trump? Or is it because of the Epstein scandal?