(12-13-2024 05:52 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 04:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Back to the killer and his motivation. At his last known residence in Hawaii, he complained online of severe back pain, and even showed x-rays of screws placed in his spine. Complained bitterly about how his life had been ruined.

However, since the shooting, people who knew him have said that he was still doing all kinds of strenuous outdoor activities such as climbing, surfing, swimming, etc., and appeared to be fine.

Then he disappeared last summer and wasn't seen again until he was arrested in PA.

And of course, Mangione was not even a client of the company whose CEO he just assassinated.

I would say the only screws he has are the ones that went loose in his brain.

So he is a pu$$y

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More like a psycho killer.

(12-13-2024 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:22 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  individuals who commit murder often show reduced gray matter in specific brain regions associated with emotional processing, behavioral control, and social cognition, suggesting an underdevelopment in these areas compared to the general population;

Did a research paper in Grad school on this topic.

What I found most interesting is the brain can erode or develop abnormalities no matter what age. There are signs usually erratic behavior no normal for the person by people who know them.

Signs were all there but only rarely will people step in before disaster occurs.

I presume state prison where he will be kept with the worst of the worst

Definitely a dead end road that medication possibly could’ve prevented. Ironically the killer attacked the symbol that will now become his own personal hell called prison with no way out anytime soon.

And, as a former co worker in Paroles told me people only forget once a generation has passed.

interesting and can see the interest in that dichotomy ... the 'why' variables still exist and hide from 'detection until it's too late/too ignored/too buried for too many...
w
yeah, that research is still valid ... what I'm afraid is the AI gen will yield nothing but visual whizdumb > wisdom...

"idiocracy is the worst movie ever made ... but the best in predictability." - former sig line 1b)

Perhaps Blue Dragon explains this, but I would offer another causation. He grew up spoiled, likely outside of the belief in any higher power than government, was educated at an Ivy school where the radical left teaches the ends justify the means and where social approval and ego biscuits are handed out like merit badges for misdeeds done in the name of whatever cause. I purport that he was habituated into this line of reasoning and thought he would be a cult hero, which by the way the social media has attempted to do. Perhaps the causation is a godless upbringing coupled with indoctrination into a radical viewpoint of how to make your life count and to be a martyr for whatever bull**** cause they push.

JR, the problem with your argument is that there hundreds of thousands in this country as you just described and somehow they are not out and about murdering folks in the most cowardly way.

You cannot eliminate that indoctrination played a role but trying to exclude mental illness is a slippery slope.

Sane and rational people figure out how to cope with unjust or grievances they perceive to be unfair. Coping mechanisms are an integral part of our human makeup.

Erosion of gray matter clouds that introspection.

Satan is also at play here as well. You mentioned Godless and Jesus specifically tells us after his exorcism of the young man that if you don’t fill your soul with God then the demons who are looking for a human host will come back.

As I was told by a very sage Christian years ago, if you let Satan take you by the hand you can commit more heinous crimes than Jeffery Dahmer. He’ll take you places of evil you could never imagine

(12-13-2024 07:36 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:22 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  individuals who commit murder often show reduced gray matter in specific brain regions associated with emotional processing, behavioral control, and social cognition, suggesting an underdevelopment in these areas compared to the general population;

Did a research paper in Grad school on this topic.

What I found most interesting is the brain can erode or develop abnormalities no matter what age. There are signs usually erratic behavior no normal for the person by people who know them.

Signs were all there but only rarely will people step in before disaster occurs.

I presume state prison where he will be kept with the worst of the worst

Definitely a dead end road that medication possibly could’ve prevented. Ironically the killer attacked the symbol that will now become his own personal hell called prison with no way out anytime soon.

And, as a former co worker in Paroles told me people only forget once a generation has passed.

interesting and can see the interest in that dichotomy ... the 'why' variables still exist and hide from 'detection until it's too late/too ignored/too buried for too many...
w
yeah, that research is still valid ... what I'm afraid is the AI gen will yield nothing but visual whizdumb > wisdom...

"idiocracy is the worst movie ever made ... but the best in predictability." - former sig line 1b)

Perhaps Blue Dragon explains this, but I would offer another causation. He grew up spoiled, likely outside of the belief in any higher power than government, was educated at an Ivy school where the radical left teaches the ends justify the means and where social approval and ego biscuits are handed out like merit badges for misdeeds done in the name of whatever cause. I purport that he was habituated into this line of reasoning and thought he would be a cult hero, which by the way the social media has attempted to do. Perhaps the causation is a godless upbringing coupled with indoctrination into a radical viewpoint of how to make your life count and to be a martyr for whatever bull**** cause they push.

JR, the problem with your argument is that there hundreds of thousands in this country as you just described and somehow they are not out and about murdering folks in the most cowardly way.

You cannot eliminate that indoctrination played a role but trying to exclude mental illness is a slippery slope.

Sane and rational people figure out how to cope with unjust or grievances they perceive to be unfair. Coping mechanisms are an integral part of our human makeup.

Erosion of gray matter clouds that introspection.

Satan is also at play here as well. You mentioned Godless and Jesus specifically tells us after his exorcism of the young man that if you don’t fill your soul with God then the demons who are looking for a human host will come back.

As I was told by a very sage Christian years ago, if you let Satan take you by the hand you can commit more heinous crimes than Jeffery Dahmer. He’ll take you places of evil you could never imagine

I understand your point of view but disagree. This jerk is bucking for an insanity plea and what he did was cold and calculated. He made the weapon with a 3D printer, he set up an alibi of a bad back a year before he carried this out, he didn't discard the weapon like an assassin because it plays into his insanity defense. He's calm for the police and flies into a frenzy for the cameras. He knows exactly what he's doing. And now for what nobody here has wanted to discuss. He had an accomplice. Somebody fed him the itinerary of the CEO so he would know what street to stand waiting on and about what time the victim was to show up. I guarantee you he didn't get it on his own. This was a calculated killing and he had access to private data which indicates someone inside the Healthcare organization got him the time, date, and location that he would have access.

What's more, is that your argument about others is off base, way off base. We just finished four years of BLM, ANTIFA, and other organized terrorist events in which young, radicalized people were directed by cold and calculating organizers to weaponize them against innocent people on the streets of multiple American cities. And they did property violence including looting and arson, and they physically attacked and injured and in a couple of cases fatally injured people in their press edited "peaceful" demonstrations. I'd say the evidence also includes what the Ivy Students did in ambushing and attacking Jewish students on their campus.

Did the SS of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth have bad brains? Nope! How about Mao's Red Guard, or the Young Pioneers in the Soviet Union, or the Stassi, KGB, GRU, or some in some of our own agencies when they hit WACO and shot first killing a suspect's son going hunting at Ruby Ridge, a suspect I might add acquitted later when after his wife and son had been murdered.

Sorry, but there aren't that many degenerative brain disorders to account for just good old-fashioned indoctrination and crimes against humanity.

Did Fauci have a bad brain, or the Australian police who kept their citizens indoors at gunpoint in a disarmed society?

Let's get this very competent murderer convicted for the well plotted acts with planning a year out before the murder sentenced for the maximum he can receive and then worry about gray matter and brain atrophy. He's too young for it, and the amount of protein alkaloids that would have to be present to deteriorate the brain of human in their early 20's would have to be in does massively administered, and that didn't happen. If he was early 50's to 60's I'd say possible. At 20, nope.

These people have been separated from accountability, morality, and have been sold a false identity, that of a revolutionary radical. Show me a free society which has fallen into totalitarianism and I'll show you a land where the radicals first took the public schools and carefully set the groundwork for a radicalizing curriculum. This jerk thinks he's a hero. And social media is filled with jerks who agree. What is the common denominator? Public education and college in many cases.

JR, there was a public meeting of United Healthcare investors that day at the Hilton. All Mangione had to do was look up a photo of Thompson and wait for him to walk into the hotel, or walk out later. That wouldn't require help. No?

(12-13-2024 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  JR, there was a public meeting of United Healthcare investors that day at the Hilton. All Mangione had to do was look up a photo of Thompson and wait for him to walk into the hotel, or walk out later. That wouldn't require help. No?

Except he didn't have security that day, and usually he did. And the shooting took place when there weren't many on the street and these guys usually take a hired shuttle or have chauffer's waiting if they are leaving the premises or arriving. He would have had to have known a lot of information not available to the public. I'm sure his picture was available on the mailings to investors. There's a lot of information required to set up such an encounter, and surveillance which happens before the attempt. He had his getaway planned to include where he wished to dump his backpack where to park his bike, and what route he would take to evade pursuers. He was either extremely lucky, or he was tipped off and I don't believe in that amount of luck. There are literally a 100 things which could have gone wrong if he was doing this on the fly based upon simply knowing the location and time of the meeting. He could come out with people, cops could have been making their normal rounds, he could have decided to have dinner or drinks in the hotel with people he wanted individual discussion with, he could have departed with some others to head out somewhere together, surveillance cameras around the facility could have picked him up lurking for any length of time, etc. He wasn't there long enough to arouse suspicions he walked directly to a point he knew the man would pass and shot him from behind and left with only one other person in the frame who fled when she saw what was happening. All of that points to timing and knowing details he couldn't or shouldn't have known ahead of time. Even if you know about when the meeting should end the variables come into play. I bet he got buzzed by a cell phone call of someone in that meeting to let him know when it was breaking up, or by a member of the support staff at the Hotel to let him know the same. So no. I don't believe he carried out this flawless of an attempt without assistance of some kind.

Oh, and one other thing. Buildings have 4 sides, or at least a back and front if the are adjoined on the left and right. Did he just guess the right exit? He can only be across the street in one place at one time. Luck again?

(12-13-2024 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 07:36 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:22 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  individuals who commit murder often show reduced gray matter in specific brain regions associated with emotional processing, behavioral control, and social cognition, suggesting an underdevelopment in these areas compared to the general population;

Did a research paper in Grad school on this topic.

What I found most interesting is the brain can erode or develop abnormalities no matter what age. There are signs usually erratic behavior no normal for the person by people who know them.

Signs were all there but only rarely will people step in before disaster occurs.

I presume state prison where he will be kept with the worst of the worst

Definitely a dead end road that medication possibly could’ve prevented. Ironically the killer attacked the symbol that will now become his own personal hell called prison with no way out anytime soon.

And, as a former co worker in Paroles told me people only forget once a generation has passed.

interesting and can see the interest in that dichotomy ... the 'why' variables still exist and hide from 'detection until it's too late/too ignored/too buried for too many...
w
yeah, that research is still valid ... what I'm afraid is the AI gen will yield nothing but visual whizdumb > wisdom...

"idiocracy is the worst movie ever made ... but the best in predictability." - former sig line 1b)

Perhaps Blue Dragon explains this, but I would offer another causation. He grew up spoiled, likely outside of the belief in any higher power than government, was educated at an Ivy school where the radical left teaches the ends justify the means and where social approval and ego biscuits are handed out like merit badges for misdeeds done in the name of whatever cause. I purport that he was habituated into this line of reasoning and thought he would be a cult hero, which by the way the social media has attempted to do. Perhaps the causation is a godless upbringing coupled with indoctrination into a radical viewpoint of how to make your life count and to be a martyr for whatever bull**** cause they push.

JR, the problem with your argument is that there hundreds of thousands in this country as you just described and somehow they are not out and about murdering folks in the most cowardly way.

You cannot eliminate that indoctrination played a role but trying to exclude mental illness is a slippery slope.

Sane and rational people figure out how to cope with unjust or grievances they perceive to be unfair. Coping mechanisms are an integral part of our human makeup.

Erosion of gray matter clouds that introspection.

Satan is also at play here as well. You mentioned Godless and Jesus specifically tells us after his exorcism of the young man that if you don’t fill your soul with God then the demons who are looking for a human host will come back.

As I was told by a very sage Christian years ago, if you let Satan take you by the hand you can commit more heinous crimes than Jeffery Dahmer. He’ll take you places of evil you could never imagine

I understand your point of view but disagree. This jerk is bucking for an insanity plea and what he did was cold and calculated. He made the weapon with a 3D printer, he set up an alibi of a bad back a year before he carried this out, he didn't discard the weapon like an assassin because it plays into his insanity defense. He's calm for the police and flies into a frenzy for the cameras. He knows exactly what he's doing. And now for what nobody here has wanted to discuss. He had an accomplice. Somebody fed him the itinerary of the CEO so he would know what street to stand waiting on and about what time the victim was to show up. I guarantee you he didn't get it on his own. This was a calculated killing and he had access to private data which indicates someone inside the Healthcare organization got him the time, date, and location that he would have access.

What's more, is that your argument about others is off base, way off base. We just finished four years of BLM, ANTIFA, and other organized terrorist events in which young, radicalized people were directed by cold and calculating organizers to weaponize them against innocent people on the streets of multiple American cities. And they did property violence including looting and arson, and they physically attacked and injured and in a couple of cases fatally injured people in their press edited "peaceful" demonstrations. I'd say the evidence also includes what the Ivy Students did in ambushing and attacking Jewish students on their campus.

Did the SS of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth have bad brains? Nope! How about Mao's Red Guard, or the Young Pioneers in the Soviet Union, or the Stassi, KGB, GRU, or some in some of our own agencies when they hit WACO and shot first killing a suspect's son going hunting at Ruby Ridge, a suspect I might add acquitted later when after his wife and son had been murdered.

Sorry, but there aren't that many degenerative brain disorders to account for just good old-fashioned indoctrination and crimes against humanity.

Did Fauci have a bad brain, or the Australian police who kept their citizens indoors at gunpoint in a disarmed society?

Let's get this very competent murderer convicted for the well plotted acts with planning a year out before the murder sentenced for the maximum he can receive and then worry about gray matter and brain atrophy. He's too young for it, and the amount of protein alkaloids that would have to be present to deteriorate the brain of human in their early 20's would have to be in does massively administered, and that didn't happen. If he was early 50's to 60's I'd say possible. At 20, nope.

These people have been separated from accountability, morality, and have been sold a false identity, that of a revolutionary radical. Show me a free society which has fallen into totalitarianism and I'll show you a land where the radicals first took the public schools and carefully set the groundwork for a radicalizing curriculum. This jerk thinks he's a hero. And social media is filled with jerks who agree. What is the common denominator? Public education and college in many cases.

As always great arguments.

I can appreciate everything you are saying.

There are a lot more factors at play here.

Indoctrination is definitely is a major factor. We have a MAJOR problem with it. College Professors should be vetted and removed if necessary.

When did our Universities think it’s acceptable to push social conditioning over Engineering Calculus or Chemistry? Last time I checked I thought College was supposed to be a place to qualify you for a profession!

I don’t believe that deliberate acts can plead insanity in any legal setting. Any legitimate government has an obligation to its citizens to protect them by making examples of those who deliberately break those laws.

What most misinterpret about Mental illness is that it’s not monolithic.
There are so many degrees of mental illnesses that simply can’t be pigeonholed into a book.

Insanity pleas are for those who really leave no doubt after a five minute conversation that they do not have the capacity to think or act rationally.
Robert Durst murdered and dismembered his victim. He sat in the courtroom with a glaze over his eyes and as he was led away in chains he laughed incessantly. Waving and smiling at the camera. So, whether he is in a jail cell or a courtroom or an insane asylum makes no difference because he doesn’t know or care where he is or what he is doing. Total lunatic that fits the insanity plea but he would never ask that would be his atty to make that call.

For people who do get the insanity plea, they should NEVER BE ALLOWED back into society unsupervised.

The murderer here doesn’t fit that definition. It still doesn’t mean that there is a mental imbalance at play.

I think your best argument was the Godless approach. When humans are left to their own guise to determine moral high ground then we are all in danger. We become God ourselves and can justify any and all of our actions as acceptable. This is quicksand.

(12-13-2024 09:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  JR, there was a public meeting of United Healthcare investors that day at the Hilton. All Mangione had to do was look up a photo of Thompson and wait for him to walk into the hotel, or walk out later. That wouldn't require help. No?

Except he didn't have security that day, and usually he did. And the shooting took place when there weren't many on the street and these guys usually take a hired shuttle or have chauffer's waiting if they are leaving the premises or arriving. He would have had to have known a lot of information not available to the public. I'm sure his picture was available on the mailings to investors. There's a lot of information required to set up such an encounter, and surveillance which happens before the attempt. He had his getaway planned to include where he wished to dump his backpack where to park his bike, and what route he would take to evade pursuers. He was either extremely lucky, or he was tipped off and I don't believe in that amount of luck. There are literally a 100 things which could have gone wrong if he was doing this on the fly based upon simply knowing the location and time of the meeting. He could come out with people, cops could have been making their normal rounds, he could have decided to have dinner or drinks in the hotel with people he wanted individual discussion with, he could have departed with some others to head out somewhere together, surveillance cameras around the facility could have picked him up lurking for any length of time, etc. He wasn't there long enough to arouse suspicions he walked directly to a point he knew the man would pass and shot him from behind and left with only one other person in the frame who fled when she saw what was happening. All of that points to timing and knowing details he couldn't or shouldn't have known ahead of time. Even if you know about when the meeting should end the variables come into play. I bet he got buzzed by a cell phone call of someone in that meeting to let him know when it was breaking up, or by a member of the support staff at the Hotel to let him know the same. So no. I don't believe he carried out this flawless of an attempt without assistance of some kind.

Oh, and one other thing. Buildings have 4 sides, or at least a back and front if the are adjoined on the left and right. Did he just guess the right exit? He can only be across the street in one place at one time. Luck again?

Certainly plausible. Well, if he had help, I hope the investigators come to that conclusion and go looking for the person or persons.

(12-13-2024 09:21 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 07:36 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  interesting and can see the interest in that dichotomy ... the 'why' variables still exist and hide from 'detection until it's too late/too ignored/too buried for too many...
w
yeah, that research is still valid ... what I'm afraid is the AI gen will yield nothing but visual whizdumb > wisdom...

"idiocracy is the worst movie ever made ... but the best in predictability." - former sig line 1b)

Perhaps Blue Dragon explains this, but I would offer another causation. He grew up spoiled, likely outside of the belief in any higher power than government, was educated at an Ivy school where the radical left teaches the ends justify the means and where social approval and ego biscuits are handed out like merit badges for misdeeds done in the name of whatever cause. I purport that he was habituated into this line of reasoning and thought he would be a cult hero, which by the way the social media has attempted to do. Perhaps the causation is a godless upbringing coupled with indoctrination into a radical viewpoint of how to make your life count and to be a martyr for whatever bull**** cause they push.

JR, the problem with your argument is that there hundreds of thousands in this country as you just described and somehow they are not out and about murdering folks in the most cowardly way.

You cannot eliminate that indoctrination played a role but trying to exclude mental illness is a slippery slope.

Sane and rational people figure out how to cope with unjust or grievances they perceive to be unfair. Coping mechanisms are an integral part of our human makeup.

Erosion of gray matter clouds that introspection.

Satan is also at play here as well. You mentioned Godless and Jesus specifically tells us after his exorcism of the young man that if you don’t fill your soul with God then the demons who are looking for a human host will come back.

As I was told by a very sage Christian years ago, if you let Satan take you by the hand you can commit more heinous crimes than Jeffery Dahmer. He’ll take you places of evil you could never imagine

I understand your point of view but disagree. This jerk is bucking for an insanity plea and what he did was cold and calculated. He made the weapon with a 3D printer, he set up an alibi of a bad back a year before he carried this out, he didn't discard the weapon like an assassin because it plays into his insanity defense. He's calm for the police and flies into a frenzy for the cameras. He knows exactly what he's doing. And now for what nobody here has wanted to discuss. He had an accomplice. Somebody fed him the itinerary of the CEO so he would know what street to stand waiting on and about what time the victim was to show up. I guarantee you he didn't get it on his own. This was a calculated killing and he had access to private data which indicates someone inside the Healthcare organization got him the time, date, and location that he would have access.

What's more, is that your argument about others is off base, way off base. We just finished four years of BLM, ANTIFA, and other organized terrorist events in which young, radicalized people were directed by cold and calculating organizers to weaponize them against innocent people on the streets of multiple American cities. And they did property violence including looting and arson, and they physically attacked and injured and in a couple of cases fatally injured people in their press edited "peaceful" demonstrations. I'd say the evidence also includes what the Ivy Students did in ambushing and attacking Jewish students on their campus.

Did the SS of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth have bad brains? Nope! How about Mao's Red Guard, or the Young Pioneers in the Soviet Union, or the Stassi, KGB, GRU, or some in some of our own agencies when they hit WACO and shot first killing a suspect's son going hunting at Ruby Ridge, a suspect I might add acquitted later when after his wife and son had been murdered.

Sorry, but there aren't that many degenerative brain disorders to account for just good old-fashioned indoctrination and crimes against humanity.

Did Fauci have a bad brain, or the Australian police who kept their citizens indoors at gunpoint in a disarmed society?

Let's get this very competent murderer convicted for the well plotted acts with planning a year out before the murder sentenced for the maximum he can receive and then worry about gray matter and brain atrophy. He's too young for it, and the amount of protein alkaloids that would have to be present to deteriorate the brain of human in their early 20's would have to be in does massively administered, and that didn't happen. If he was early 50's to 60's I'd say possible. At 20, nope.

These people have been separated from accountability, morality, and have been sold a false identity, that of a revolutionary radical. Show me a free society which has fallen into totalitarianism and I'll show you a land where the radicals first took the public schools and carefully set the groundwork for a radicalizing curriculum. This jerk thinks he's a hero. And social media is filled with jerks who agree. What is the common denominator? Public education and college in many cases.

As always great arguments.

I can appreciate everything you are saying.

There are a lot more factors at play here.

Indoctrination is definitely is a major factor. We have a MAJOR problem with it. College Professors should be vetted and removed if necessary.

When did our Universities think it’s acceptable to push social conditioning over Engineering Calculus or Chemistry? Last time I checked I thought College was supposed to be a place to qualify you for a profession!

I don’t believe that deliberate acts can plead insanity in any legal setting. Any legitimate government has an obligation to its citizens to protect them by making examples of those who deliberately break those laws.

What most misinterpret about Mental illness is that it’s not monolithic.
There are so many degrees of mental illnesses that simply can’t be pigeonholed into a book.

Insanity pleas are for those who really leave no doubt after a five minute conversation that they do not have the capacity to think or act rationally.
Robert Durst murdered and dismembered his victim. He sat in the courtroom with a glaze over his eyes and as he was led away in chains he laughed incessantly. Waving and smiling at the camera. So, whether he is in a jail cell or a courtroom or an insane asylum makes no difference because he doesn’t know or care where he is or what he is doing. Total lunatic that fits the insanity plea but he would never ask that would be his atty to make that call.

For people who do get the insanity plea, they NEVER ALLOWED back into society unsupervised.

The murderer here doesn’t fit that definition. It still doesn’t mean that there is a mental imbalance at play.

I think your best argument was the Godless approach. When humans are left to their own guise to determine moral high ground then we are all in danger. We become God ourselves and can justify any and all of our actions as acceptable. This is quicksand.

Are radical professors not like a messiah figure to the young and impressionable who get fawned over for repeating the mantra that flows from the lips of the professor and for fealty to its tenets? I got my master's late in life. I was stunned by the pseudohistory that had replaced the real one, by all books written before the mid 80's being confined to microfiche and no longer in the stacks in the library, and how history recorded in antiquity was off limits without permission. I was appalled by the radical viewpoints of the professors and could tell you whether it was Maoist, Marxist, or Fascist in nature. The use of logic was forbidden to me as a white male because that was my power tool for "oppression" even though I've never oppressed anyone and essentially worked for my self in corporate life and non-profit work and grew up on Air Force bases where segregation wasn't even a thing. Group sin is a lie. Each of us is a sinner and have fallen short of the glory of God, but we can't sin automatically and without malice by simply being the wrong color and neither did MLK teach that. Non-violent resistance was radical when Mahatma Ghandi practiced it but it worked precisely because the one who escalated to conflict lost credibility.

I compare those two because what we see today is intended to create violence, by delivering violence first and lies to its adherents by telling them that their violence is just and violence in return is oppression. The mere hypocrisy of the message is staggering. That the young believe it mind-boggling. I didn't realize people could be that stupid, but then they no longer teach them how to think critically. They have cultivated their minions. AI is only going to increase their numbers. They've already been trained to go to the machine for the answers or information and to believe that the machine is infallible. When I do a search sometimes I do it for topics I'm extremely well versed in and do so just to see how the truth has been twisted or replaced with lies and proganda to further a particular cause or objective whether politically or corporately. Movies which depict how things actually were in particular period of time are either edited to make a esoteric point about that era seem common place, or edited so that the realty of those times is carefully hidden from the way they describe the period in their textbooks.

The erasing of the historic statues is to remove any icon which might beckon the curious to look into the past and find things the group think organizers want to avoid, like peace between racial groups, the success of African Americans in arts and literature prior to the period of protests, or laws passed by a majority of the majority which assisted the claiming of rights by minorities.

We are hit with Maoism mostly because class struggle isn't a big issue for Americans. But since we are a melting pot of ethnicities race baiting is low hanging fruit for revolutionaries. And in its absence, it has been sexism, and all of the many variations of behaviors once considered well out of the mainstream. The ripping of the fabric of our society based on the color of the fabric is straight out of the Maoist playbook and the most hypocritical thing about that is no country is as xenophobic as China. Where are the minorities in China? In camps and zones.

For three years, all but dissertation, I worked at a prestigious school and encountered nonsense reminiscent of Animal Farm and 1984 and things which when I studied them in the 60's were so alien to America that we all laughed at the fiction. We were busy reading the radicals of the day, Hesse and Thomas Mann. Both were tame by today and really dwelled on the nature of man both good and evil, but in non-religious ways.

If you have no God in your life, you still had the Code of Hammurabi and the Bill of Rights. Today you have neither. And the people each did what was right in their own sight and chaos abounded in the land, and the purest form of evil to the ancient Israelite was chaos. It was the evil one manifest. And yet we are closer to it today as nation than at any point of history I've studied and at any point in my life.

And I don't believe in luck. We permitted this to happen by being too busy to have to take responsibility for dealing with it when it first arose. It's on We the People that we have allowed the kinds of people into government who would condone such.

(12-11-2024 10:13 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Mr_X wrote; "Health care should not be for profit."

Who made that rule for a Capitalism-based economy? I know for damn sure that if I somehow found a cure for cancer, I would certainly profit off of it. There would be a limit to my self-benefit (and that of my family), but I feel ZERO obligation to share my discover with the entire globe with no incentive to do so.

Eat a dick, or twenty

Triggered snowflake?

Nobody made me anything but I have just as much right to opinion as you do.

Gotta love that we are the richest country yet we out pace everyone in medical bankruptcy

% of bankruptcies caused by medical expenses
United States 66.5%
Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

This is not the medical world finding cures that is SOP in the United States
Choke on all the Ds.

JFK in 1962: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

(12-14-2024 01:15 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(12-11-2024 10:13 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Mr_X wrote; "Health care should not be for profit."

Who made that rule for a Capitalism-based economy? I know for damn sure that if I somehow found a cure for cancer, I would certainly profit off of it. There would be a limit to my self-benefit (and that of my family), but I feel ZERO obligation to share my discover with the entire globe with no incentive to do so.

Eat a dick, or twenty

Triggered snowflake?

Nobody made me anything but I have just as much right to opinion as you do.

Gotta love that we are the richest country yet we out pace everyone in medical bankruptcy

% of bankruptcies caused by medical expenses
United States 66.5%
Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

This is not the medical world finding cures that is SOP in the United States
Choke on all the Ds.

JFK in 1962: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

And those who live by the sword will certainly die by the sword.

History has already undressed Socialism Marxism & Communists and failed poverty states too many numerous times.

But Proggressives blindly assume they will beat History when in essence they are just finding a different way to get the same result.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to not want a repetitive rendition of the same.

(12-14-2024 03:11 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 01:15 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(12-11-2024 10:13 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Mr_X wrote; "Health care should not be for profit."

Who made that rule for a Capitalism-based economy? I know for damn sure that if I somehow found a cure for cancer, I would certainly profit off of it. There would be a limit to my self-benefit (and that of my family), but I feel ZERO obligation to share my discover with the entire globe with no incentive to do so.

Eat a dick, or twenty

Triggered snowflake?

Nobody made me anything but I have just as much right to opinion as you do.

Gotta love that we are the richest country yet we out pace everyone in medical bankruptcy

% of bankruptcies caused by medical expenses
United States 66.5%
Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

This is not the medical world finding cures that is SOP in the United States
Choke on all the Ds.

JFK in 1962: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

And those who live by the sword will certainly die by the sword.

History has already undressed Socialism Marxism & Communists and failed poverty states too many numerous times.

But Proggressives blindly assume they will beat History when in essence they are just finding a different way to get the same result.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to not want a repetitive rendition of the same.

When immoral people rule Hell is unleashed, not just sometimes, but every time, and the last 4 years should have made that evident to everyone. But, as it says in proverbs, "Train a child up in the way they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it." The problem we are suffering from is 30 plus years of not training the children in the way they go. Hell will be among us for way to long because of it.

(12-14-2024 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:11 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 01:15 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(12-11-2024 10:13 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Mr_X wrote; "Health care should not be for profit."

Who made that rule for a Capitalism-based economy? I know for damn sure that if I somehow found a cure for cancer, I would certainly profit off of it. There would be a limit to my self-benefit (and that of my family), but I feel ZERO obligation to share my discover with the entire globe with no incentive to do so.

Eat a dick, or twenty

Triggered snowflake?

Nobody made me anything but I have just as much right to opinion as you do.

Gotta love that we are the richest country yet we out pace everyone in medical bankruptcy

% of bankruptcies caused by medical expenses
United States 66.5%
Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

This is not the medical world finding cures that is SOP in the United States
Choke on all the Ds.

JFK in 1962: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

And those who live by the sword will certainly die by the sword.

History has already undressed Socialism Marxism & Communists and failed poverty states too many numerous times.

But Proggressives blindly assume they will beat History when in essence they are just finding a different way to get the same result.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to not want a repetitive rendition of the same.

When immoral people rule Hell is unleashed, not just sometimes, but every time, and the last 4 years should have made that evident to everyone. But, as it says in proverbs, "Train a child up in the way they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it." The problem we are suffering from is 30 plus years of not training the children in the way they go. Hell will be among us for way to long because of it.

That's because the right foolishly fell asleep at the wheel in the 90's when the USSR collapsed, and are now only waking up just seconds before the collision.

(12-14-2024 03:42 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:11 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 01:15 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(12-11-2024 10:13 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Mr_X wrote; "Health care should not be for profit."

Who made that rule for a Capitalism-based economy? I know for damn sure that if I somehow found a cure for cancer, I would certainly profit off of it. There would be a limit to my self-benefit (and that of my family), but I feel ZERO obligation to share my discover with the entire globe with no incentive to do so.

Eat a dick, or twenty

Triggered snowflake?

Nobody made me anything but I have just as much right to opinion as you do.

Gotta love that we are the richest country yet we out pace everyone in medical bankruptcy

% of bankruptcies caused by medical expenses
United States 66.5%
Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

This is not the medical world finding cures that is SOP in the United States
Choke on all the Ds.

JFK in 1962: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

And those who live by the sword will certainly die by the sword.

History has already undressed Socialism Marxism & Communists and failed poverty states too many numerous times.

But Proggressives blindly assume they will beat History when in essence they are just finding a different way to get the same result.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to not want a repetitive rendition of the same.

When immoral people rule Hell is unleashed, not just sometimes, but every time, and the last 4 years should have made that evident to everyone. But, as it says in proverbs, "Train a child up in the way they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it." The problem we are suffering from is 30 plus years of not training the children in the way they go. Hell will be among us for way to long because of it.

That's because the right foolishly fell asleep at the wheel in the 90's when the USSR collapsed, and are now only waking up just seconds before the collision.

Hopefully, the proverbial car we're in has automatic brake assist as a means of accident prevention. And yes, in hindsight, you're absolutely right. We were lulled to sleep by having won the Cold War.

I also have to say this, in hindsight: JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!

(12-14-2024 03:46 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:42 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:11 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 01:15 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Triggered snowflake?

Nobody made me anything but I have just as much right to opinion as you do.

Gotta love that we are the richest country yet we out pace everyone in medical bankruptcy

% of bankruptcies caused by medical expenses
United States 66.5%
Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

This is not the medical world finding cures that is SOP in the United States
Choke on all the Ds.

JFK in 1962: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

And those who live by the sword will certainly die by the sword.

History has already undressed Socialism Marxism & Communists and failed poverty states too many numerous times.

But Proggressives blindly assume they will beat History when in essence they are just finding a different way to get the same result.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to not want a repetitive rendition of the same.

When immoral people rule Hell is unleashed, not just sometimes, but every time, and the last 4 years should have made that evident to everyone. But, as it says in proverbs, "Train a child up in the way they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it." The problem we are suffering from is 30 plus years of not training the children in the way they go. Hell will be among us for way to long because of it.

That's because the right foolishly fell asleep at the wheel in the 90's when the USSR collapsed, and are now only waking up just seconds before the collision.

Hopefully, the proverbial car we're in has automatic brake assist as a means of accident prevention. And yes, in hindsight, you're absolutely right. We were lulled to sleep by having won the Cold War.

I also have to say this, in hindsight: JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!

He was right, and he was vilified as a result.

(12-14-2024 03:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:46 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:42 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  That's because the right foolishly fell asleep at the wheel in the 90's when the USSR collapsed, and are now only waking up just seconds before the collision.

Hopefully, the proverbial car we're in has automatic brake assist as a means of accident prevention. And yes, in hindsight, you're absolutely right. We were lulled to sleep by having won the Cold War.

I also have to say this, in hindsight: JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!

He was right, and he was vilified as a result.

Yep. His reputation was destroyed. It's a real shame because he was ahead of everybody except maybe Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Sadly, Patton died in Europe shortly after WWII. (Of course, Patton was talking about taking the fight to the Soviets, not necessarily trying to weed out the Communists here in America, but you get the point.)

(12-14-2024 03:52 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:46 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:42 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  That's because the right foolishly fell asleep at the wheel in the 90's when the USSR collapsed, and are now only waking up just seconds before the collision.

Hopefully, the proverbial car we're in has automatic brake assist as a means of accident prevention. And yes, in hindsight, you're absolutely right. We were lulled to sleep by having won the Cold War.

I also have to say this, in hindsight: JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!

He was right, and he was vilified as a result.

Yep. His reputation was destroyed. It's a real shame because he was ahead of everybody except maybe Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Sadly, Patton died in Europe shortly after WWII. (Of course, Patton was talking about taking the fight to the Soviets, not necessarily trying to weed out the Communists here in America, but you get the point.)

Patton was right when he said we defeated the wrong enemy. We should have defeated the Soviet Union instead of Nazi Germany.

(12-14-2024 04:02 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:52 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:46 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:42 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  That's because the right foolishly fell asleep at the wheel in the 90's when the USSR collapsed, and are now only waking up just seconds before the collision.

Hopefully, the proverbial car we're in has automatic brake assist as a means of accident prevention. And yes, in hindsight, you're absolutely right. We were lulled to sleep by having won the Cold War.

I also have to say this, in hindsight: JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!

He was right, and he was vilified as a result.

Yep. His reputation was destroyed. It's a real shame because he was ahead of everybody except maybe Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Sadly, Patton died in Europe shortly after WWII. (Of course, Patton was talking about taking the fight to the Soviets, not necessarily trying to weed out the Communists here in America, but you get the point.)

Patton was right when he said we defeated the wrong enemy. We should have defeated the Soviet Union instead of Nazi Germany.

No, we were right in defeating Nazi Germany. Getting rid of the immoral regime under Hitler was paramount. Remember, Germany, under Hitler, was the one who started WWII in the first place so we needed to end that war first. Now where we went wrong -- and where I agree with you -- was not going after the Soviet Union afterward. Had we done that (and beaten them, of course), I highly doubt there would've been a Cold War to speak of, at least not the one that unfolded.

Now would China have still become a Communist country? Who knows? Probably? But that's a discussion for another time.

(12-14-2024 04:02 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:52 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:46 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:42 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  That's because the right foolishly fell asleep at the wheel in the 90's when the USSR collapsed, and are now only waking up just seconds before the collision.

Hopefully, the proverbial car we're in has automatic brake assist as a means of accident prevention. And yes, in hindsight, you're absolutely right. We were lulled to sleep by having won the Cold War.

I also have to say this, in hindsight: JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!

He was right, and he was vilified as a result.

Yep. His reputation was destroyed. It's a real shame because he was ahead of everybody except maybe Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Sadly, Patton died in Europe shortly after WWII. (Of course, Patton was talking about taking the fight to the Soviets, not necessarily trying to weed out the Communists here in America, but you get the point.)

Patton was right when he said we defeated the wrong enemy. We should have defeated the Soviet Union instead of Nazi Germany.

That's not exactly what Patton said. We had just defeated the Nazis and Patton was having to do occupation duty. What he said was that the Damned Bolsheviks were going to be a problem we would have to fight sooner or later, and we should fight them while we had the Army in Europe to do it with and while they were war weary and weak, mind you at this time he knew we had the bomb, and they didn't. He strongly argued that the Nazis hated them more than us and would gladly fight them if we rearmed the Wehrmacht and put them in the field under our command through their former officers of our choosing. He was right about the Soviets and had that been done Korea and Viet Nam never happen, not to mention a litany of regional actions which followed those two.

(12-14-2024 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 04:02 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:52 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2024 03:46 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Hopefully, the proverbial car we're in has automatic brake assist as a means of accident prevention. And yes, in hindsight, you're absolutely right. We were lulled to sleep by having won the Cold War.

I also have to say this, in hindsight: JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!

He was right, and he was vilified as a result.

Yep. His reputation was destroyed. It's a real shame because he was ahead of everybody except maybe Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Sadly, Patton died in Europe shortly after WWII. (Of course, Patton was talking about taking the fight to the Soviets, not necessarily trying to weed out the Communists here in America, but you get the point.)

Patton was right when he said we defeated the wrong enemy. We should have defeated the Soviet Union instead of Nazi Germany.

That's not exactly what Patton said. We had just defeated the Nazis and Patton was having to do occupation duty. What he said was that the Damned Bolsheviks were going to be a problem we would have to fight sooner or later, and we should fight them while we had the Army in Europe to do it with and while they were war weary and weak, mind you at this time he knew we had the bomb, and they didn't. He strongly argued that the Nazis hated them more than us and would gladly fight them if we rearmed the Wehrmacht and put them in the field under our command through their former officers of our choosing. He was right about the Soviets and had that been done Korea and Viet Nam never happen, not to mention a litany of regional actions which followed those two.

Thanks for the clarification, JR.

(12-13-2024 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 07:36 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 03:22 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  individuals who commit murder often show reduced gray matter in specific brain regions associated with emotional processing, behavioral control, and social cognition, suggesting an underdevelopment in these areas compared to the general population;

Did a research paper in Grad school on this topic.

What I found most interesting is the brain can erode or develop abnormalities no matter what age. There are signs usually erratic behavior no normal for the person by people who know them.

Signs were all there but only rarely will people step in before disaster occurs.

I presume state prison where he will be kept with the worst of the worst

Definitely a dead end road that medication possibly could’ve prevented. Ironically the killer attacked the symbol that will now become his own personal hell called prison with no way out anytime soon.

And, as a former co worker in Paroles told me people only forget once a generation has passed.

interesting and can see the interest in that dichotomy ... the 'why' variables still exist and hide from 'detection until it's too late/too ignored/too buried for too many...
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yeah, that research is still valid ... what I'm afraid is the AI gen will yield nothing but visual whizdumb > wisdom...

"idiocracy is the worst movie ever made ... but the best in predictability." - former sig line 1b)

Perhaps Blue Dragon explains this, but I would offer another causation. He grew up spoiled, likely outside of the belief in any higher power than government, was educated at an Ivy school where the radical left teaches the ends justify the means and where social approval and ego biscuits are handed out like merit badges for misdeeds done in the name of whatever cause. I purport that he was habituated into this line of reasoning and thought he would be a cult hero, which by the way the social media has attempted to do. Perhaps the causation is a godless upbringing coupled with indoctrination into a radical viewpoint of how to make your life count and to be a martyr for whatever bull**** cause they push.

JR, the problem with your argument is that there hundreds of thousands in this country as you just described and somehow they are not out and about murdering folks in the most cowardly way.

You cannot eliminate that indoctrination played a role but trying to exclude mental illness is a slippery slope.

Sane and rational people figure out how to cope with unjust or grievances they perceive to be unfair. Coping mechanisms are an integral part of our human makeup.

Erosion of gray matter clouds that introspection.

Satan is also at play here as well. You mentioned Godless and Jesus specifically tells us after his exorcism of the young man that if you don’t fill your soul with God then the demons who are looking for a human host will come back.

As I was told by a very sage Christian years ago, if you let Satan take you by the hand you can commit more heinous crimes than Jeffery Dahmer. He’ll take you places of evil you could never imagine

I understand your point of view but disagree. This jerk is bucking for an insanity plea and what he did was cold and calculated. He made the weapon with a 3D printer, he set up an alibi of a bad back a year before he carried this out, he didn't discard the weapon like an assassin because it plays into his insanity defense. He's calm for the police and flies into a frenzy for the cameras. He knows exactly what he's doing. And now for what nobody here has wanted to discuss. He had an accomplice. Somebody fed him the itinerary of the CEO so he would know what street to stand waiting on and about what time the victim was to show up. I guarantee you he didn't get it on his own. This was a calculated killing and he had access to private data which indicates someone inside the Healthcare organization got him the time, date, and location that he would have access.

What's more, is that your argument about others is off base, way off base. We just finished four years of BLM, ANTIFA, and other organized terrorist events in which young, radicalized people were directed by cold and calculating organizers to weaponize them against innocent people on the streets of multiple American cities. And they did property violence including looting and arson, and they physically attacked and injured and in a couple of cases fatally injured people in their press edited "peaceful" demonstrations. I'd say the evidence also includes what the Ivy Students did in ambushing and attacking Jewish students on their campus.

Did the SS of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth have bad brains? Nope! How about Mao's Red Guard, or the Young Pioneers in the Soviet Union, or the Stassi, KGB, GRU, or some in some of our own agencies when they hit WACO and shot first killing a suspect's son going hunting at Ruby Ridge, a suspect I might add acquitted later when after his wife and son had been murdered.

Sorry, but there aren't that many degenerative brain disorders to account for just good old-fashioned indoctrination and crimes against humanity.

Did Fauci have a bad brain, or the Australian police who kept their citizens indoors at gunpoint in a disarmed society?

Let's get this very competent murderer convicted for the well plotted acts with planning a year out before the murder sentenced for the maximum he can receive and then worry about gray matter and brain atrophy. He's too young for it, and the amount of protein alkaloids that would have to be present to deteriorate the brain of human in their early 20's would have to be in does massively administered, and that didn't happen. If he was early 50's to 60's I'd say possible. At 20, nope.

These people have been separated from accountability, morality, and have been sold a false identity, that of a revolutionary radical. Show me a free society which has fallen into totalitarianism and I'll show you a land where the radicals first took the public schools and carefully set the groundwork for a radicalizing curriculum. This jerk thinks he's a hero. And social media is filled with jerks who agree. What is the common denominator? Public education and college in many cases.

I mostly always agree with you. And you always say it better than I ever could