(12-12-2024 12:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Same reaction they had to the spy balloon....they wouldn't even acknowledge it until other people discovered it and raised a stink.

Yeah, I started to add that at the end. That reaction still doesn't make sense, either.

(12-12-2024 11:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Top secret programs generally don't run at low altitudes at low speed with lights over populated areas.

That's not how they stay top secret. Although this is the DEI swamp Pentagon we are talking about.

Who says they want to stay top secret?

(12-12-2024 10:37 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(12-11-2024 11:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Van Drew is on live now, and sticking to his story. He says several whistle blowers with top secret clearances came to him with the info, and he could either sit on it and do nothing, or share it in hopes this can be resolved. He believes them.

We'll see. Certainly a fascinating puzzle.

Van Drew is in on the smoke screen. Everybody says they don't know what they are but the feds say it's harmless. That's all you need to know. Van Drew is a Free Mason, btw.

Remember when they tried telling us Russia blew up their own pipelines?

All the world is a stage.

What's freemasonry got to do with it?

(12-12-2024 12:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Same reaction they had to the spy balloon....they wouldn't even acknowledge it until other people discovered it and raised a stink.

Feds probably know who it is they just don't have the ability or stones to stop it. If they don't know who it is that should terrify everyone with that level of incompetence even for them.

It's not incompetence if they are in on it. I firmly believe there are elements within our own government who are actively colluding with our enemies to topple our republic. And not just a few, there's no telling how deeply our highest offices have been infiltrated.

(12-12-2024 12:48 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 12:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Same reaction they had to the spy balloon....they wouldn't even acknowledge it until other people discovered it and raised a stink.

Feds probably know who it is they just don't have the ability or stones to stop it. If they don't know who it is that should terrify everyone with that level of incompetence even for them.

It's not incompetence if they are in on it. I firmly believe there are elements within our own government who are actively colluding with our enemies to topple our republic. And not just a few, there's no telling how deeply our highest offices have been infiltrated.

I won't discount anything at this point...

there's a thread about drones that was posted ~7 years ago...

I remember laying out the cons in the drone world ... it's now happening...

it's akin to the portable EMP that will one day fk the digi world to hell and back ... they haven't quite arrived to date ... regardless, anarchy coming...

(12-12-2024 11:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Top secret programs generally don't run at low altitudes at low speed with lights over populated areas.

That's not how they stay top secret. Although this is the DEI swamp Pentagon we are talking about.

If they need real world scenarios for testing they do. And they don't tell you what they are doing, or make up some other lie about it.

I watched E T last night maybe it's them.

No they don't. And if they do, you tell people it's us ahead of time.

Ae are not operating like this over population centers without telling state authorities.

(12-12-2024 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  They don't know what it is but it's not a threat.

Fire all of these idiots next month.

Exactly. They either know more than they are saying or they they are effectively admitting they do not have enough relevant facts to actually come to the conclusion they have arrived at (it would be nothing more than a guess to claim they pose no risk given they dont know exactly what kind of drones these are or who is controlling them). Either way---they are lying to us.

Come on, they have always done that. If this is a top secret program they can't tell people what they are doing. They don't want to give away any info to our adversaries.

If this was a top secret program they wouldn't parade it all over a heavily populated area of New Jersey---they would test it in vacant skies over Area 51---like they do the newest aircraft. If its so secret----what would be the point of parading this tech before the public and millions of iphone cameras? Besides, any nation can fly drones over their own cities---thats not exactly an accomplishment that might make our enemies tremble. Furthermore----if this was a test of secret tech----wouldnt it be more likely that you'd test single drone----not fill the sky with them? If these are adversary drones----why havent we shot them down when they fly over sensitive military installations?

To me---nothing adds up here--including our government's statements and behaviors.

Kirby just said that they are not foreign, not coming from the ocean, and they aren't flying in restricted air space.

Well, it's Kirby who has been wrong on everything he's said for 4 years. IF (big if) all of that is true then they are commercial. And any privately held corporate entity that is flying things that size over populated areas without talking to authorities to test them is short bussing it from a potential strict liability perspective.

(12-12-2024 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  They don't know what it is but it's not a threat.

Fire all of these idiots next month.

Exactly. They either know more than they are saying or they they are effectively admitting they do not have enough relevant facts to actually come to the conclusion they have arrived at (it would be nothing more than a guess to claim they pose no risk given they dont know exactly what kind of drones these are or who is controlling them). Either way---they are lying to us.

Come on, they have always done that. If this is a top secret program they can't tell people what they are doing. They don't want to give away any info to our adversaries.

If this was a top secret program they wouldn't parade it all over a heavily populated area of New Jersey---they would test it in vacant skies over Area 51---like they do the newest aircraft. If its so secret----what would be the point of parading this tech before the public and millions of iphone cameras? Besides, any nation can fly drones over their own cities---thats not exactly an accomplishment that might make our enemies tremble. Furthermore----if this was a test of secret tech----wouldnt it be more likely that you'd test single drone----not fill the sky with them? If these are adversary drones----why havent we shot them down when they fly over sensitive military installations?

To me---nothing adds up here--including our government's statements and behaviors.

Showing something at night over your own airspace isn't "parading" it.

But it would be a way to show your adversaries what's in your hand without tipping too much information. It's quite possible this is a measured leak to make other countries reconsider their current plans.

(12-12-2024 01:58 PM)mlb Wrote:  Kirby just said that they are not foreign, not coming from the ocean, and they aren't flying in restricted air space.

Same guy who continuously lied about the Chinese balloons Kirby?

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So if one of these drones assassinates president elect Donald Trump, will we not know where it came from? Will we not know how to take one down? Will there be nothing that the government can do about it? Asking for a friend

What if they are Amazon "Mother Ships" , and they're just delivering packages for Christmas. Beta Test.

(12-12-2024 12:34 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Top secret programs generally don't run at low altitudes at low speed with lights over populated areas.

That's not how they stay top secret. Although this is the DEI swamp Pentagon we are talking about.

Who says they want to stay top secret?

lol---how is that even logical? They wont say what it is because its "top secret" but they dont want it to stay "top secret"? If they dont want it to "stay top secret"---then they would just say thats what it is. Making something no longer "top secret" is pretty darn easy----they just publicly unveil it---like they did with the Stealth bomber or the F-35.

(12-12-2024 02:34 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-12-2024 11:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  They don't know what it is but it's not a threat.

Fire all of these idiots next month.

Exactly. They either know more than they are saying or they they are effectively admitting they do not have enough relevant facts to actually come to the conclusion they have arrived at (it would be nothing more than a guess to claim they pose no risk given they dont know exactly what kind of drones these are or who is controlling them). Either way---they are lying to us.

Come on, they have always done that. If this is a top secret program they can't tell people what they are doing. They don't want to give away any info to our adversaries.

If this was a top secret program they wouldn't parade it all over a heavily populated area of New Jersey---they would test it in vacant skies over Area 51---like they do the newest aircraft. If its so secret----what would be the point of parading this tech before the public and millions of iphone cameras? Besides, any nation can fly drones over their own cities---thats not exactly an accomplishment that might make our enemies tremble. Furthermore----if this was a test of secret tech----wouldnt it be more likely that you'd test single drone----not fill the sky with them? If these are adversary drones----why havent we shot them down when they fly over sensitive military installations?

To me---nothing adds up here--including our government's statements and behaviors.

Showing something at night over your own airspace isn't "parading" it.

But it would be a way to show your adversaries what's in your hand without tipping too much information. It's quite possible this is a measured leak to make other countries reconsider their current plans.

Flying dozens of these things all lit up---very low and slow----over heavily populated areas---making a social media and legacy media circus is not "parading"? I think it is. You and I will just have to disagree as to what we consider "parading". There is a thousand miles of difference between what we are seeing and flying these things in the dead of night in an isolated Area 51 desert area.

Furthermore---why would any enemy be even remotely impressed that we can fly a drone over our own cities? Any of our adversaries can fly drones over their own cities any time they want. Its not a very impressive exhibition of tech. Not in the least. Now---if a adversary power was flying these things over OUR cities and military bases---now that would be a heck of a lot more impressive and might be a way for an adversary to "send a message".

I agree that the government is obviously not leveling with us. I just have not seen any explanation that stands up to the slightest bit of reasonable critical analysis.

Anyone who swallows what the US is saying about these have a proclivity to accept the bullsh!T that the federal government regularly serves up.

It's not the government and it's not a foreign entity but there is nothing to fear. Gotcha.

Like I said. Fire all of them. They are all incompetent.