(11-07-2024 10:34 AM)shere khan Wrote:  We have the best African American. Do we not folks?

By yuge margins.

(11-07-2024 12:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  If you read my OP, I never said Elon Musk is Satan or that he wants to sell us done the river. I’m skeptical of his support being purely on patriotic only grounds or for altruistic purposes. My point is don’t assume he’s out for us.

Surprised how easily people can pick a political side and be so loyal to a political side without any skepticism.

He can be out for us with a benefit to himself. Or he can be out for himself with a benefit to us. Matters not to me. If we start seeing he's in it only for himself then we can have a conversation. I don't see it. I think he, like Trump. truly loves and respects our country. I think he wants to see everyone benefit from a prosperous economy.

I've seen nothing yet from either man to indicate anything other than a love of country and a desire to be a better person by creating an environment in which everyone can be the best person they wish to be.

Call me naive, call me a romantic, I don't care.

(11-07-2024 12:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-07-2024 12:19 PM)miko33 Wrote:  If you read my OP, I never said Elon Musk is Satan or that he wants to sell us done the river. I’m skeptical of his support being purely on patriotic only grounds or for altruistic purposes. My point is don’t assume he’s out for us.

Surprised how easily people can pick a political side and be so loyal to a political side without any skepticism.

Amazing how some people see the evil in everyone. I'm guessing you are a glass half empty kind of guy.

It IS in his self interest to have a better more prosperous America. That's not necessarily "altruistic."

There is no real altruism, at least none that I've ever seen. Let's say you do something for someone with no intent or even though to doing it to benefit yourself. If you even allow yourself the smallest of smiles, knowing you just did a thing for someone, then you got that out of the deal; a small feeling of satisfaction or something.

(11-07-2024 01:06 PM)maximus Wrote:  Elon is a humanitarian at heart. The man has been very honest on what he believes and why.

He openly admits he overpaid for Twitter but it really isn't about the money in the end for him.. if it was, he would never have done that.

The guy is a next level human, a freak of nature that only comes along every several hundred years.

I think his intentions are to do the most he possibly can for all of people walking the earth and for earth itself... honestly money be damned.

The Netflix documentary on him is really good. He had to make a decision not that long ago to scuttle SpaceX, scuttle Tesla to save SpaceX or use what he had left to try one more launch and try and save both companies. He chose the last option and the launch was successful. The reaction he made when that rocket launch was successful is one of the most genuine reactions you'll ever see.

I said here several years ago that Musk needed Tesla to produce a better product and he needed a change of heart about a few things, both have happened and I'm a huge fan and consumer of his products.

And yes, driving a Tesla.. especially a Cybertruck is next level. I highly recommend.

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I love the guy. I don't see how anyone couldn't.

(11-07-2024 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  He wants what we all want.. to enjoy life.. say what he wants and not have to worry about someone scream it's misinformation when it's not.

wrote the following into muh sig back in '15 ... the strike-thru happened after '20 ... #groverII is dead (now ALIVE) is mine, too ...

Quote:1c) "it's time for the Donald to remind, promote, and help people once again recognize the pleasure and beauty of the big sur" - lost

(11-07-2024 04:52 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Musk also had a very bad personal life experience with the left's trans policies.

Yes he did. His son was transitioned early and as far as he is concerned his son is dead. Tragic.

(11-07-2024 07:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-07-2024 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  He wants what we all want.. to enjoy life.. say what he wants and not have to worry about someone scream it's misinformation when it's not.

wrote the following into muh sig back in '15 ... the strike-thru happened after '20 ... #groverII is dead (now ALIVE) is mine, too ...

Quote:1c) "it's time for the Donald to remind, promote, and help people once again recognize the pleasure and beauty of the big sur" - lost

This is twofer night.

Here is what is in it for Musk.

1. If Harris had won, the feds would have shut down X.

2. If Harris had won, the feds would have hampered or shut down all his companies.

Beyond that, so far, Elon has given lots of evidence that he is looking out for humanity as his driving force, and there is ZERO evidence to the contrary.

I have observed Musk for many years.

My takeaways
1. He is a genius of the highest order.
2. He is a risk taker and came close to bankruptcy more than once
3. He works incredibly hard.
4. Ironically, he is the richest man in the world, but is not motivated by just money. He really wants to change the world. His quixotic quest for a Mars colony is a good example.
5. He pushes his employees and yet the very best want to work for him.
6. He does not rule out anything unless it violates the laws of physics (first principles).

(11-07-2024 08:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I have observed Musk for many years.

My takeaways
1. He is a genius of the highest order.
2. He is a risk taker and came close to bankruptcy more than once
3. He works incredibly hard.
4. Ironically, he is the richest man in the world, but is not motivated by just money. He really wants to change the world. His quixotic quest for a Mars colony is a good example.
5. He pushes his employees and yet the very best want to work for him.
6. He does not rule out anything unless it violates the laws of physics (first principles).

#3 The guy works 7 days a week

He says only around 3 days a year where he doesn't work at all.

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Musk admits he's a classic liberal... but he's a BIG Proponent of Free Speech.

The man is wanting to make sure he's not regulated into not being allowed to get his Mars-human landing working. That is his next BIG Goal... he really thinks he can get it done

(11-07-2024 07:52 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-07-2024 04:52 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Musk also had a very bad personal life experience with the left's trans policies.

Yes he did. His son was transitioned early and as far as he is concerned his son is dead. Tragic.

No, he said he loves his son still and wishes he could help him through his confusion, but knows it's not likeliy... His Son acts as if Elon is dead to him, and even said as much on a tiktok video today somewhere (no, I don't do tiktok unless it makes it over to X.)

(11-07-2024 08:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Based on the reactions in this thread - I'm beginning to see some of the payoff Musk is receiving thru his purchase of twitter.

Funny thing is, Musk is one of the most transparent billionaires on the planet. I dont think he is hiding much. Dems were getting out of hand and he called them out on it, they got mad and started to make him into a villain. Bill Gates is much more concerning in my opinion.