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RE: Nathan Wade, Fani's squeeze, testifies he had multiple meetings with WH counsel
(10-22-2024 06:49 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(10-22-2024 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-22-2024 09:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Which lib here with flip out the most when Trump wins- commie Tommie, Tanq or Kruciff

Lib? Not here My Friend. Lolz.

You might as well be one, your irrational hatred of Trump wont allow you to do the right thing and vote for him, if for no other reason than to keep Obama from his 4th term. Or am I wrong?

Got it. "Right" thing. Comedy bliss is always a relief in these threads.

More like 'my recognizing he is a fing grifter, and tried to cancel the votes of 7 states because his tiny hands sized ego refused to allow him the acknowledge he lost an election' would be a more apt description.

If you want to idolize that, go right ahead. Free country and all that jazz. And we have laws protecting even the terminally ignorant in that manner, to boot.
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(10-23-2024 10:26 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Who did Wade work for? 01-wingedeagle

Special prosecutor for Fulton County. And yes, he has a client, as does a DA, as does any prosecutor.
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RE: Nathan Wade, Fani's squeeze, testifies he had multiple meetings with WH counsel
(10-23-2024 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:26 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Who did Wade work for? 01-wingedeagle

Special prosecutor for Fulton County. And yes, he has a client, as does a DA, as does any prosecutor.

Here is the problem, he's a prosecutor not a defense attorney. Here are some of you quotes on this subject matter.

Post # 42 "Finally, the cardinal rule for a lawyer is a duty of confidentiality for a lawyer"

Post # 65 All your doing here is moving the goal post from the subject matter.

Post # 81 "Knock yourself out defeating privilege there, keemo sabe" Here you are moving the goal post again. He's a prosecutor not a defense attorney.

Post #93 "Finally, the committee shouldnt ask him specifics of conversations he has. You know, the 'privilege thingy"

A prosecutor does not have attorney-client privilege because they do not have an individual client. A prosecutor's role is to serve the public, not a particular individual. In fact, the interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

And another thing Wade knew what he was going up there for. It sure as hell wasn't going up there to talk about the weather. He lied his ass off up there and he does not have any privilege.
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RE: Nathan Wade, Fani's squeeze, testifies he had multiple meetings with WH counsel
(10-23-2024 12:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:26 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Who did Wade work for? 01-wingedeagle

Special prosecutor for Fulton County. And yes, he has a client, as does a DA, as does any prosecutor.

Here is the problem, he's a prosecutor not a defense attorney. Here are some of you quotes on this subject matter.

Post # 42 "Finally, the cardinal rule for a lawyer is a duty of confidentiality for a lawyer"

Post # 65 All your doing here is moving the goal post from the subject matter.

Post # 81 "Knock yourself out defeating privilege there, keemo sabe" Here you are moving the goal post again. He's a prosecutor not a defense attorney.

Post #93 "Finally, the committee shouldnt ask him specifics of conversations he has. You know, the 'privilege thingy"

A prosecutor does not have attorney-client privilege because they do not have an individual client. A prosecutor's role is to serve the public, not a particular individual. In fact, the interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

And another thing Wade knew what he was going up there for. It sure as hell wasn't going up there to talk about the weather. He lied his ass off up there and he does not have any privilege.

They actually do have a client. The county, and perhaps the State they are in.

And they have attorney client confidentiality. And they also have the privilege with respect to attorney work product.

Yes, the privilege attaches to DAs. They cannot be forced to divulge issues, except when a judge rules in that manner.

And yes, all of his work product, and contents of the work product -- are absolutely privileged.

The only thing that is different, is that a prosecutor has an obligation to disclose exculpatory information they have to the defense. Not freely hand everything over.

Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect.
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(10-23-2024 12:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:26 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Who did Wade work for? 01-wingedeagle

Special prosecutor for Fulton County. And yes, he has a client, as does a DA, as does any prosecutor.

Here is the problem, he's a prosecutor not a defense attorney. Here are some of you quotes on this subject matter.

Post # 42 "Finally, the cardinal rule for a lawyer is a duty of confidentiality for a lawyer"

Post # 65 All your doing here is moving the goal post from the subject matter.

Post # 81 "Knock yourself out defeating privilege there, keemo sabe" Here you are moving the goal post again. He's a prosecutor not a defense attorney.

Post #93 "Finally, the committee shouldnt ask him specifics of conversations he has. You know, the 'privilege thingy"

A prosecutor does not have attorney-client privilege because they do not have an individual client. A prosecutor's role is to serve the public, not a particular individual. In fact, the interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

And another thing Wade knew what he was going up there for. It sure as hell wasn't going up there to talk about the weather. He lied his ass off up there and he does not have any privilege.

They actually do have a client. The county, and perhaps the State they are in.

And they have attorney client confidentiality. And they also have the privilege with respect to attorney work product.

Yes, the privilege attaches to DAs. They cannot be forced to divulge issues, except when a judge rules in that manner.

And yes, all of his work product, and contents of the work product -- are absolutely privileged.

The only thing that is different, is that a prosecutor has an obligation to disclose exculpatory information they have to the defense. Not freely hand everything over.

Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect.

"Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect."

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(10-23-2024 12:34 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:26 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Who did Wade work for? 01-wingedeagle

Special prosecutor for Fulton County. And yes, he has a client, as does a DA, as does any prosecutor.

Here is the problem, he's a prosecutor not a defense attorney. Here are some of you quotes on this subject matter.

Post # 42 "Finally, the cardinal rule for a lawyer is a duty of confidentiality for a lawyer"

Post # 65 All your doing here is moving the goal post from the subject matter.

Post # 81 "Knock yourself out defeating privilege there, keemo sabe" Here you are moving the goal post again. He's a prosecutor not a defense attorney.

Post #93 "Finally, the committee shouldnt ask him specifics of conversations he has. You know, the 'privilege thingy"

A prosecutor does not have attorney-client privilege because they do not have an individual client. A prosecutor's role is to serve the public, not a particular individual. In fact, the interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

And another thing Wade knew what he was going up there for. It sure as hell wasn't going up there to talk about the weather. He lied his ass off up there and he does not have any privilege.

They actually do have a client. The county, and perhaps the State they are in.

And they have attorney client confidentiality. And they also have the privilege with respect to attorney work product.

Yes, the privilege attaches to DAs. They cannot be forced to divulge issues, except when a judge rules in that manner.

And yes, all of his work product, and contents of the work product -- are absolutely privileged.

The only thing that is different, is that a prosecutor has an obligation to disclose exculpatory information they have to the defense. Not freely hand everything over.

Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect.

"Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect."

BS 07-coffee3

Texas Code of Criminal Procedure

Title 1, Chapt 2, Art 2.01 -- Each district attorney shall represent the State in all criminal cases.

Wash, rinse, repeat 49 more times.

Actually 99 times, AGs fall into the issue.

Actually 100 times -- US Attorneys and DOJ prosecutors.

Even more so for work product privilege.

The *only* exception to the work product rule for prosecutors is that demanded by Brady v. Maryland (US Sup. Ct. 1963) which holds that a "prosecution that withholds evidence on demand of an accused which, if made available, would tend to exculpate him or reduce the penalty helps shape a trial that bears heavily on the defendant” is not covered by the work product privilege.

Followed and cited in numerous Circuits -- as in a prosecutor’s opinions and mental impressions are discoverable under Brady and not protected work product should it contain “underlying exculpatory facts.” (Morris v. Ylst (9th Cir. 2006) 447 F.3d 735, 742.)

The work product privilege only exists in the event there is a client-attorney relationship.

Sorry, Nathan Wade's work product is pretty much covered by the privilege. Subject only to Brady evidence that must be turned over, or such opinions regarding that Brady evidence. And only to a defendant.

Since Congress isnt a defendant -- oopsie. Privilege exists.

Your AI generated blurb is simply wrong.
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(10-23-2024 12:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:34 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Special prosecutor for Fulton County. And yes, he has a client, as does a DA, as does any prosecutor.

Here is the problem, he's a prosecutor not a defense attorney. Here are some of you quotes on this subject matter.

Post # 42 "Finally, the cardinal rule for a lawyer is a duty of confidentiality for a lawyer"

Post # 65 All your doing here is moving the goal post from the subject matter.

Post # 81 "Knock yourself out defeating privilege there, keemo sabe" Here you are moving the goal post again. He's a prosecutor not a defense attorney.

Post #93 "Finally, the committee shouldnt ask him specifics of conversations he has. You know, the 'privilege thingy"

A prosecutor does not have attorney-client privilege because they do not have an individual client. A prosecutor's role is to serve the public, not a particular individual. In fact, the interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

And another thing Wade knew what he was going up there for. It sure as hell wasn't going up there to talk about the weather. He lied his ass off up there and he does not have any privilege.

They actually do have a client. The county, and perhaps the State they are in.

And they have attorney client confidentiality. And they also have the privilege with respect to attorney work product.

Yes, the privilege attaches to DAs. They cannot be forced to divulge issues, except when a judge rules in that manner.

And yes, all of his work product, and contents of the work product -- are absolutely privileged.

The only thing that is different, is that a prosecutor has an obligation to disclose exculpatory information they have to the defense. Not freely hand everything over.

Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect.

"Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect."

BS 07-coffee3

Texas Code of Criminal Procedure

Title 1, Chapt 2, Art 2.01 -- Each district attorney shall represent the State in all criminal cases.

Wash, rinse, repeat 49 more times.

Actually 99 times, AGs fall into the issue.

Actually 100 times -- US Attorneys and DOJ prosecutors.

Even more so for work product privilege.

The *only* exception to the work product rule for prosecutors is that demanded by Brady v. Maryland (US Sup. Ct. 1963) which holds that a "prosecution that withholds evidence on demand of an accused which, if made available, would tend to exculpate him or reduce the penalty helps shape a trial that bears heavily on the defendant” is not covered by the work product privilege.

Followed and cited in numerous Circuits -- as in a prosecutor’s opinions and mental impressions are discoverable under Brady and not protected work product should it contain “underlying exculpatory facts.” (Morris v. Ylst (9th Cir. 2006) 447 F.3d 735, 742.)

The work product privilege only exists in the event there is a client-attorney relationship.

Sorry, Nathan Wade's work product is pretty much covered by the privilege. Subject only to Brady evidence that must be turned over, or such opinions regarding that Brady evidence. And only to a defendant.

Since Congress isnt a defendant -- oopsie. Privilege exists.

Your AI generated blurb is simply wrong.

You could have put all of it in.

Brady v. Maryland and exculpatory evidence – Work product does not block the duty to provide evidence relevant to guilt

As stated earlier, attorney work product is grounded in the concept of attorney-client privilege. However, unlike a private civil attorney, a prosecutor has no individual client and instead serves the interests of the public they represent. Further, the interests of a defendant are paramount when facing a criminal prosecution and, therefore, a freer exchange of facts and information between the prosecutor and criminal defendant is required. As stated in the opinion written by Justice Brennan in the seminal case, Brady v. Maryland, a “prosecution that withholds evidence on demand of an accused which, if made available, would tend to exculpate him or reduce the penalty helps shape a trial that bears heavily on the defendant.” (Brady v. Maryland (1963) 373 U.S. 83, 87.) Should a prosecutor withhold the evidence identified in Brady v. Maryland, even inadvertently, the prosecutor becomes cast “in the role of an architect of a proceeding that does not comport with standards of justice, even though, as in the present case, his action is not ‘the result of guile.’” (Ibid.)

Therefore, unlike a private attorney, prosecutors must make available to criminal defendants much more evidence and information leading up to criminal trial. Should district attorney investigations result in the discovery of exculpatory evidence relevant to the defendant, such evidence weighing on guilt must be disclosed to the defense. (Brady v. Maryland (1963) 373 U.S. 83, 87; Youngblood v. West Virginia (2006) 547 U.S. 867, 869-70; Tennison v. City & County of San Francisco (9th Cir. 2008) 570 F.3d 1078, 1087.) Further, a prosecutor’s opinions and mental impressions are discoverable under Brady and not protected work product should it contain “underlying exculpatory facts.” (Morris v. Ylst (9th Cir. 2006) 447 F.3d 735, 742.)
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Investigatory phase of a criminal matter – Not protected work product

Again, in both civil and criminal matters, work product protection does not apply to factual material, even if that information is discovered by an attorney or contained within an attorney’s notes. In a criminal matter there are two phases, the investigation phase and the prosecution phase, and the prosecutor can function both as an investigator and a prosecutor at trial. Unlike the work generated in preparation of trial, which garners work product protection, the investigation conducted by a prosecutor constitutes a factual gathering rather than work arising from a prosecutor’s strategies. (Williamson v. Moore (11th Cir. 2000) 221 F.3d 1177, 1182; People v. Angel (Colo. 2012) 277 P.3d 231, 235.) A prosecutor’s initial fact-gathering phase is investigatory, therefore factual, and is not protected as absolute work product. (People v. Angel (Colo. 2012) 277 P.3d 231, 235.) Thus, investigatory or fact-finding work conducted by a prosecutor is discoverable as it is not shielded by work product protection.
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(10-23-2024 01:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:34 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 12:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Here is the problem, he's a prosecutor not a defense attorney. Here are some of you quotes on this subject matter.

Post # 42 "Finally, the cardinal rule for a lawyer is a duty of confidentiality for a lawyer"

Post # 65 All your doing here is moving the goal post from the subject matter.

Post # 81 "Knock yourself out defeating privilege there, keemo sabe" Here you are moving the goal post again. He's a prosecutor not a defense attorney.

Post #93 "Finally, the committee shouldnt ask him specifics of conversations he has. You know, the 'privilege thingy"

A prosecutor does not have attorney-client privilege because they do not have an individual client. A prosecutor's role is to serve the public, not a particular individual. In fact, the interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

And another thing Wade knew what he was going up there for. It sure as hell wasn't going up there to talk about the weather. He lied his ass off up there and he does not have any privilege.

They actually do have a client. The county, and perhaps the State they are in.

And they have attorney client confidentiality. And they also have the privilege with respect to attorney work product.

Yes, the privilege attaches to DAs. They cannot be forced to divulge issues, except when a judge rules in that manner.

And yes, all of his work product, and contents of the work product -- are absolutely privileged.

The only thing that is different, is that a prosecutor has an obligation to disclose exculpatory information they have to the defense. Not freely hand everything over.

Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect.

"Your bolded is just dead ass incorrect."

BS 07-coffee3

Texas Code of Criminal Procedure

Title 1, Chapt 2, Art 2.01 -- Each district attorney shall represent the State in all criminal cases.

Wash, rinse, repeat 49 more times.

Actually 99 times, AGs fall into the issue.

Actually 100 times -- US Attorneys and DOJ prosecutors.

Even more so for work product privilege.

The *only* exception to the work product rule for prosecutors is that demanded by Brady v. Maryland (US Sup. Ct. 1963) which holds that a "prosecution that withholds evidence on demand of an accused which, if made available, would tend to exculpate him or reduce the penalty helps shape a trial that bears heavily on the defendant” is not covered by the work product privilege.

Followed and cited in numerous Circuits -- as in a prosecutor’s opinions and mental impressions are discoverable under Brady and not protected work product should it contain “underlying exculpatory facts.” (Morris v. Ylst (9th Cir. 2006) 447 F.3d 735, 742.)

The work product privilege only exists in the event there is a client-attorney relationship.

Sorry, Nathan Wade's work product is pretty much covered by the privilege. Subject only to Brady evidence that must be turned over, or such opinions regarding that Brady evidence. And only to a defendant.

Since Congress isnt a defendant -- oopsie. Privilege exists.

Your AI generated blurb is simply wrong.

You could have put all of it in.

Brady v. Maryland and exculpatory evidence – Work product does not block the duty to provide evidence relevant to guilt

As stated earlier, attorney work product is grounded in the concept of attorney-client privilege. However, unlike a private civil attorney, a prosecutor has no individual client and instead serves the interests of the public they represent. Further, the interests of a defendant are paramount when facing a criminal prosecution and, therefore, a freer exchange of facts and information between the prosecutor and criminal defendant is required. As stated in the opinion written by Justice Brennan in the seminal case, Brady v. Maryland, a “prosecution that withholds evidence on demand of an accused which, if made available, would tend to exculpate him or reduce the penalty helps shape a trial that bears heavily on the defendant.” (Brady v. Maryland (1963) 373 U.S. 83, 87.) Should a prosecutor withhold the evidence identified in Brady v. Maryland, even inadvertently, the prosecutor becomes cast “in the role of an architect of a proceeding that does not comport with standards of justice, even though, as in the present case, his action is not ‘the result of guile.’” (Ibid.)

Therefore, unlike a private attorney, prosecutors must make available to criminal defendants much more evidence and information leading up to criminal trial. Should district attorney investigations result in the discovery of exculpatory evidence relevant to the defendant, such evidence weighing on guilt must be disclosed to the defense. (Brady v. Maryland (1963) 373 U.S. 83, 87; Youngblood v. West Virginia (2006) 547 U.S. 867, 869-70; Tennison v. City & County of San Francisco (9th Cir. 2008) 570 F.3d 1078, 1087.) Further, a prosecutor’s opinions and mental impressions are discoverable under Brady and not protected work product should it contain “underlying exculpatory facts.” (Morris v. Ylst (9th Cir. 2006) 447 F.3d 735, 742.)


FIFY --

Work product does not block the duty to provide exculpatory evidence relevant to cutting against guilt, and only to a named defendant in the matter.

Work product controls -- except for that category above. And absolutely controls disclosing anything for anyone other than defendant or their counsel.

Nathan Wade has work product and attorney client privilege for anyone not named as a defendant in the ongoing prosecution, and only up to exculpatory evidence.

What I said at the outset.
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The Law and Accounting are the same thing.



1-1 = whatever YOU need me to make it equal

Laws will be interpreted to mean what YOU want them to mean
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(10-23-2024 01:23 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Investigatory phase of a criminal matter – Not protected work product

Again, in both civil and criminal matters, work product protection does not apply to factual material, even if that information is discovered by an attorney or contained within an attorney’s notes. In a criminal matter there are two phases, the investigation phase and the prosecution phase, and the prosecutor can function both as an investigator and a prosecutor at trial. Unlike the work generated in preparation of trial, which garners work product protection, the investigation conducted by a prosecutor constitutes a factual gathering rather than work arising from a prosecutor’s strategies. (Williamson v. Moore (11th Cir. 2000) 221 F.3d 1177, 1182; People v. Angel (Colo. 2012) 277 P.3d 231, 235.) A prosecutor’s initial fact-gathering phase is investigatory, therefore factual, and is not protected as absolute work product. (People v. Angel (Colo. 2012) 277 P.3d 231, 235.) Thus, investigatory or fact-finding work conducted by a prosecutor is discoverable as it is not shielded by work product protection.

Williamson v. Moore (11th Cir. 2000) 221 F.3d 1177 only goes to the issue of opinion work product. Not investigatory. The 11th Cir ruled that any opinion work product fell within the 'must be exculpatory' rule.

People v. Angel was limited in many factors. First, anything *but* fact assembling was not included -- the materials only covered 'facts uncovered'. All 'opinion and process' work product produced, no matter when, is not discoverable.

The Colo Sup Ct. also opined that *only* the facts assembled in a *previous* case against a different defendant were not covered by the rule.
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(10-23-2024 02:10 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The Law and Accounting are the same thing.



1-1 = whatever YOU need me to make it equal

Laws will be interpreted to mean what YOU want them to mean

There are certainly contests that do that, or certain ones that make a court decide *which* rule is applicable.

There are others that are simply so well within the bounds to not really make an issue of that the law covers.
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I know you guys have him on the ropes when he makes 20 out of the last 25 posts.
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(10-23-2024 02:30 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I know you guys have him on the ropes when he makes 20 out of the last 25 posts.

If they don't stop soon, he will likely resort to accusing me of posting more in this thread than he is. And with more words.

I will willingly take the hit for the cause. 03-lmfao
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You are wrong Tanq, we can run this around the Board all day. Wade has no immunity for the date of 23 May 2022 and 18 Nov 2022.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"
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(10-23-2024 04:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  You are wrong Tanq, we can run this around the Board all day. Wade has no immunity for the date of 23 May 2022 and 18 Nov 2022.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

Privilege -- not immunity.

Look at the person asking him to talk. Now look at the bolded. End of story.

Congress asks him a question -- privilege. Period. End of story.

Further, the transmission of *solely* exculpatory information is the sole issue within the 'freer exchange' mentioned above.

The full story -- If a prosecutor has a pile of information, and notes, and other work product -- the base rule is that privilege attaches to all of it.

If a third party, not the defendant asks him -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him about opinion work -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for non-exculpatory facts -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for exculpatory facts -- not privileged. Period.

Your AI search result phrase doesnt change the above. Nor does the phrase work in isolation as you seemingly think.
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RE: Nathan Wade, Fani's squeeze, testifies he had multiple meetings with WH counsel
(10-23-2024 05:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 04:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  You are wrong Tanq, we can run this around the Board all day. Wade has no immunity for the date of 23 May 2022 and 18 Nov 2022.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

Privilege -- not immunity.

Look at the person asking him to talk. Now look at the bolded. End of story.

Congress asks him a question -- privilege. Period. End of story.

Further, the transmission of *solely* exculpatory information is the sole issue within the 'freer exchange' mentioned above.

The full story -- If a prosecutor has a pile of information, and notes, and other work product -- the base rule is that privilege attaches to all of it.

If a third party, not the defendant asks him -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him about opinion work -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for non-exculpatory facts -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for exculpatory facts -- not privileged. Period.

Your AI search result phrase doesnt change the above. Nor does the phrase work in isolation as you seemingly think.

I don't know why I said immunity instead of privileged. But hey you are still wrong.
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RE: Nathan Wade, Fani's squeeze, testifies he had multiple meetings with WH counsel
(10-23-2024 06:15 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 05:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 04:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  You are wrong Tanq, we can run this around the Board all day. Wade has no immunity for the date of 23 May 2022 and 18 Nov 2022.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

Privilege -- not immunity.

Look at the person asking him to talk. Now look at the bolded. End of story.

Congress asks him a question -- privilege. Period. End of story.

Further, the transmission of *solely* exculpatory information is the sole issue within the 'freer exchange' mentioned above.

The full story -- If a prosecutor has a pile of information, and notes, and other work product -- the base rule is that privilege attaches to all of it.

If a third party, not the defendant asks him -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him about opinion work -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for non-exculpatory facts -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for exculpatory facts -- not privileged. Period.


Your AI search result phrase doesnt change the above. Nor does the phrase work in isolation as you seemingly think.

I don't know why I said immunity instead of privileged. But hey you are still wrong.

Whatever, sparkles. The bolded directly above says it all. Pretty much end of story.

But please jump up and down and wave your hands some more. The pithy comment you post (with no legal sourcing) is just kind of a broad scream into the air.

And you dont seem to understand the issue of "between the defendant and the prosecutor" that exists even in that pithy comment. The word 'between' is important. Good grief.
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(10-23-2024 06:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 06:15 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 05:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 04:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  You are wrong Tanq, we can run this around the Board all day. Wade has no immunity for the date of 23 May 2022 and 18 Nov 2022.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

Privilege -- not immunity.

Look at the person asking him to talk. Now look at the bolded. End of story.

Congress asks him a question -- privilege. Period. End of story.

Further, the transmission of *solely* exculpatory information is the sole issue within the 'freer exchange' mentioned above.

The full story -- If a prosecutor has a pile of information, and notes, and other work product -- the base rule is that privilege attaches to all of it.

If a third party, not the defendant asks him -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him about opinion work -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for non-exculpatory facts -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for exculpatory facts -- not privileged. Period.


Your AI search result phrase doesnt change the above. Nor does the phrase work in isolation as you seemingly think.

I don't know why I said immunity instead of privileged. But hey you are still wrong.

Whatever, sparkles. The bolded directly above says it all. Pretty much end of story.

But please jump up and down and wave your hands some more. The pithy comment you post (with no legal sourcing) is just kind of a broad scream into the air.

And you dont seem to understand the issue of "between the defendant and the prosecutor" that exists even in that pithy comment. The word 'between' is important. Good grief.

Not all information is privileged:
While a prosecutor's work product may include privileged information, basic facts gathered during an investigation are generally not protected by privilege and may need to be disclosed.
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(10-23-2024 10:03 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 06:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 06:15 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 05:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(10-23-2024 04:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  You are wrong Tanq, we can run this around the Board all day. Wade has no immunity for the date of 23 May 2022 and 18 Nov 2022.

"The interests of the defendant are paramount during a criminal prosecution, which requires a freer exchange of information between the defendant and the prosecutor"

Privilege -- not immunity.

Look at the person asking him to talk. Now look at the bolded. End of story.

Congress asks him a question -- privilege. Period. End of story.

Further, the transmission of *solely* exculpatory information is the sole issue within the 'freer exchange' mentioned above.

The full story -- If a prosecutor has a pile of information, and notes, and other work product -- the base rule is that privilege attaches to all of it.

If a third party, not the defendant asks him -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him about opinion work -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for non-exculpatory facts -- privileged. Period.

If a defendant asks him for exculpatory facts -- not privileged. Period.


Your AI search result phrase doesnt change the above. Nor does the phrase work in isolation as you seemingly think.

I don't know why I said immunity instead of privileged. But hey you are still wrong.

Whatever, sparkles. The bolded directly above says it all. Pretty much end of story.

But please jump up and down and wave your hands some more. The pithy comment you post (with no legal sourcing) is just kind of a broad scream into the air.

And you dont seem to understand the issue of "between the defendant and the prosecutor" that exists even in that pithy comment. The word 'between' is important. Good grief.

Not all information is privileged:
While a prosecutor's work product may include privileged information, basic facts gathered during an investigation are generally not protected by privilege and may need to be disclosed.

Maybe read the cases you cited. Just google the names, they will pop forth. The specific issue you make (bolded above) is that there is an exception to the work product rule for *some* basic facts, not that the work isnt protected.

The exception exists to items that *must* be communicated to a defendant.

In the case we are talking about, only one issue is germane. The only exception for work product privilege resides in the duty between a prosecutor and defendant.

Last I saw the US Congress is not the defendant with respect to Nathan Wade. Privilege applies.

There is no exception to the general work product privilege to some rando third party not the defendant.
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