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(10-10-2024 10:51 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:45 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  That tweet is so funny. It's literally an apples to oranges comparison.

A 3.2% rate when prices remained low for several years, coming off lockdowns in a pandemic year.

Currently a 1.6% rate, but that's accounting for a cumulative inflation increase of 16% since 2021 and interest rates being hiked to 5% to achieve that rate.

It's not fooling anybody with a brain.

Yeah, we get that. The problem is that many on the right actually think trump did something to moderate inflation.

Can you provide an example of this?

Nearly every thread here when they claim prices were low under trump like he did a damned thing to facilitate that. Gas and groceries.

And before you go there, no, I don't really credit anything Biden did to get inflation back down to where it is now...that was likely to happen regardless of who was in office...again...because of a once in a 100-year pandemic.
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(10-10-2024 10:16 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:06 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The lower inflation is nothing for democrats to pat themselves on the back about. Prices are still much higher than December 2020 and that lower inflation rate is against their higher baseline. Until wages catch up which absent high inflation again will take about 4 years.

Wages have outpaced inflation since February of 2023.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351...ry%202023.

Break that out by income level and see what happens.

In real terms, I suspect the net worth of many posters here has prospered because of COLA’s and sharply appreciating financial and real assets outpacing living expenses.

However, the picture is quite different for the substantial majority of Americans struggling to pay bills month to month.

Also, has lost ground been made up?

Finally, blaming CV-19 for inflation tells only part of the story. Ineffective COVID policies played a major role in fueling inflation.
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Let's not forget the REAL criminal behind all of the issues we've faced over the past 4 years is that narcissistic little "doctor".
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(10-10-2024 10:45 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  That tweet is so funny. It's literally an apples to oranges comparison.

A 3.2% rate when prices remained low for several years, coming off lockdowns in a pandemic year.

Currently a 1.6% 2.4% rate, but that's accounting for a cumulative inflation increase of 16% since 2021 and interest rates being hiked to 5% to achieve that rate.

It's not fooling anybody with a brain.

cumulative ...
more like 20% ...

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(10-10-2024 10:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:51 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:45 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  That tweet is so funny. It's literally an apples to oranges comparison.

A 3.2% rate when prices remained low for several years, coming off lockdowns in a pandemic year.

Currently a 1.6% rate, but that's accounting for a cumulative inflation increase of 16% since 2021 and interest rates being hiked to 5% to achieve that rate.

It's not fooling anybody with a brain.

Yeah, we get that. The problem is that many on the right actually think trump did something to moderate inflation.

Can you provide an example of this?

Nearly every thread here when they claim prices were low under trump like he did a damned thing to facilitate that. Gas and groceries.

And before you go there, no, I don't really credit anything Biden did to get inflation back down to where it is now...that was likely to happen regardless of who was in office...again...because of a once in a 100-year pandemic.

Well, we do know his economic plan didn't create inflation. Being POTUS is like being handed keys to a Lambo... you have to try really hard to screw it up. Although in Biden's case - it's more about inaction on supply chain + pushing people to get the vax or be fired.
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(10-10-2024 11:05 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:51 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:45 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  That tweet is so funny. It's literally an apples to oranges comparison.

A 3.2% rate when prices remained low for several years, coming off lockdowns in a pandemic year.

Currently a 1.6% rate, but that's accounting for a cumulative inflation increase of 16% since 2021 and interest rates being hiked to 5% to achieve that rate.

It's not fooling anybody with a brain.

Yeah, we get that. The problem is that many on the right actually think trump did something to moderate inflation.

Can you provide an example of this?

Nearly every thread here when they claim prices were low under trump like he did a damned thing to facilitate that. Gas and groceries.

And before you go there, no, I don't really credit anything Biden did to get inflation back down to where it is now...that was likely to happen regardless of who was in office...again...because of a once in a 100-year pandemic.

Well, we do know his economic plan didn't create inflation. Being POTUS is like being handed keys to a Lambo... you have to try really hard to screw it up. Although in Biden's case - it's more about inaction on supply chain + pushing people to get the vax or be fired.

So you think that created inflation? And what inaction on the supply chain...what were they supposed to do? And please, tell us how that caused inflation all over the globe? 03-yawn
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Inflation was driven by higher energy prices. And energy cost is a significant component of almost everything. That's why inflation has been worldwide.

And yes, Biden's policies did cause higher energy prices.
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I know I've asked the room here time and time again to provide one specific policy of Biden that can be shown to have driven up energy costs, specifically the cost of gas, and not once has anyone been able to show it.

Meanwhile, I'll just leave these here...yeah...we can attribute it to trump and his idiotic deal with SA. Oops.


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(10-10-2024 11:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So you think that created inflation? And what inaction on the supply chain...what were they supposed to do? And please, tell us how that caused inflation all over the globe? 03-yawn

Direct causes:

- Decades of globalism led to the US being reliant on global markets and supply shocks.

- Biden forcing a vax mandate to include workers in logistics and ports. Hurting the supply when massive demand is there. It was a self imposed labor shortage.

- Biden signed $2T in stimulus when we didn't need it. He could have focused on the infrastructure portion of the agenda in early 2021 to alleviate some of the issues, but he wanted to push through BBB ($3.5T) when it was DOA thanks to Manchin & Sinema.

- Biden & the Fed calling inflation transitory and it would just go away. Isn't this the same logic that the left used against Trump in 2020 about COVID?
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(10-10-2024 11:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 11:05 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:51 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, we get that. The problem is that many on the right actually think trump did something to moderate inflation.

Can you provide an example of this?

Nearly every thread here when they claim prices were low under trump like he did a damned thing to facilitate that. Gas and groceries.

And before you go there, no, I don't really credit anything Biden did to get inflation back down to where it is now...that was likely to happen regardless of who was in office...again...because of a once in a 100-year pandemic.

Well, we do know his economic plan didn't create inflation. Being POTUS is like being handed keys to a Lambo... you have to try really hard to screw it up. Although in Biden's case - it's more about inaction on supply chain + pushing people to get the vax or be fired.

So you think that created inflation? And what inaction on the supply chain...what were they supposed to do? And please, tell us how that caused inflation all over the globe? 03-yawn

quantitative easing ...
profligate spending ...
war on fossil fuels ...

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(10-10-2024 11:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know I've asked the room here time and time again to provide one specific policy of Biden that can be shown to have driven up energy costs, specifically the cost of gas, and not once has anyone been able to show it.

Tom, quick question. What is your experience in the oil patch? You speak with such conviction about energy issues. Upon what are your opinions based?

Quote:Meanwhile, I'll just leave these here...yeah...we can attribute it to trump and his idiotic deal with SA. Oops.

Which was appropriate in the circumstances under which it was negotiated, anc could easily have been renegotiated by Biden when circumstances changed.
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(10-10-2024 08:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Core inflation up 3.3% and overall inflation up 2.4% - higher than expected.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/central-bank...pper_pos_1

Keep in mind the Fed's purported goal is 2% average inflation over a period of time and inflation has averaged well above 2% after Biden's election.

If the Feds lower rates again soon or signal lower rates soon, then it is clearly for political reasons.

I assume our regular Economic reporter has already created a new thread on this although, he seems to be super busy to post this news quickly on days when that report is not a positive for the administration - so maybe there isn't a new post out there yet?
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(10-10-2024 11:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-10-2024 11:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know I've asked the room here time and time again to provide one specific policy of Biden that can be shown to have driven up energy costs, specifically the cost of gas, and not once has anyone been able to show it.

Tom, quick question. What is your experience in the oil patch? You speak with such conviction about energy issues. Upon what are your opinions based?

Quote:Meanwhile, I'll just leave these here...yeah...we can attribute it to trump and his idiotic deal with SA. Oops.

Which was appropriate in the circumstances under which it was negotiated, anc could easily have been renegotiated by Biden when circumstances changed.
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Quote:Average gas prices recently passed $5 per gallon nationwide, setting a new record. This is bad news for workers’ budgets, and since it’s happening under President Joe Biden’s watch, it’s bad news for the Democratic Party’s electoral prospects.

The White House has tried to deflect blame for the insane surge in gas prices onto Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. And, to be fair, gas prices are definitely not completely within any president’s control. They absolutely are influenced by global factors, and the disruption in the global energy market caused by Putin’s invasion certainly has contributed to higher prices.

But Biden isn’t off the hook. Gas prices started rising long before the invasion, and the president still has direct responsibility for how his policies have contributed to this problem.

Here are three specific things Biden has done that have led to increased gas prices.

1. Canceling Drilling Leases and Limiting Domestic Production
Since taking office, Biden has taken too many steps to count to limit domestic production. These include halting federal permits for oil and gas drilling and leasing shortly after taking office and blocking drilling in a major oil-rich Alaskan region.

To be clear, these decisions will mostly affect future production. But that does still significantly affect gas prices because companies factor in their expectations about the future into the decisions they make today.

“Some say that new leases … would have taken time and would not yet be online, but even so, there is evidence that expectations of increased future supply has a beneficial impact on current prices and expectations of future supply drying up has a negative impact on current prices,” the Competitive Enterprise Institute’s Ben Lieberman said.

“At a day-to-day level, I am hearing from drillers that they are having a very hard time getting all the approvals they need from [the Environmental Protection Agency] and other agencies in order to produce on existing wells, and of course, new federal leasing has come to a halt,” Lieberman added.

It’s just basic economics that when the government throttles future supply in an industry, that will lead to higher prices both now and in the future. Biden was warned by many critics at the time that this would happen, but he proceeded anyway.

2. Choking Regulations that Impose Big Costs and Lead to Higher Prices
Speaking of basic economics, it’s well established that when businesses’ costs rise, that puts upward pressure on the prices they charge consumers. The oil and gas industry is no exception.

And unfortunately, the Biden administration has both proposed and implemented a wide array of regulations on the energy sector, inflicting billions in direct financial costs and incalculable indirect compliance costs — plus further harming expectations for the future.

“The regulatory chokehold imposed by the Biden administration on oil production in place of a Green New Deal has drastically raised gasoline prices, thereby hurting lower-income people the most,” said conservative economist Vance Ginn, who served in the Trump administration.

“This is yet another example of the high cost of big-government environmentalism when the better approach is to remove government barriers so that free markets can better let people adapt to changes in the environment at a much lower cost,” Ginn concluded.

3. Anti-Energy Rhetoric that Discourages Investment
Rhetoric matters. While words don’t literally do anything to change gas prices, the signals coming from policymakers absolutely do affect the long-term investment decisions businesses make.

And even as a presidential candidate, Biden sent very negative messages about what his leadership would mean for the gas industry.

In just one example, as Americans for Tax Reform pointed out, Biden said during a campaign stop: “We are going to get rid of fossil fuels. … We’re going to phase out fossil fuels.” Then, upon taking office, the president followed these words with actions such as canceling the Keystone XL pipeline, blocking leases, restricting imports, and pursuing regulations.

In general, Biden’s open hostility toward the oil and gas industry has almost certainly curbed investment into production that otherwise would’ve occurred.

“Such extinction rhetoric, coming from the now-president, has an unprecedented chilling effect on investment,” Lieberman said. To put it simply, less investment means less supply — which means higher prices.

It’s absolutely true that our high gas prices aren’t entirely Biden’s fault. But the president is not the helpless bystander his defenders would have you believe.

This article originally appeared in the Washington Examiner.
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(10-10-2024 08:44 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And they did a 50 basis point reduction......

f*cknuts...

and petro has fallen 15-20% in the past few weeks...



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(10-10-2024 11:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Inflation was driven by higher energy prices. And energy cost is a significant component of almost everything. That's why inflation has been worldwide.

And yes, Biden's policies did cause higher energy prices.

when gas started hitting the 4 buck/gal mark after Kat, they figgled out quick like how to remedy that problem...

after the past 3.5 years, we are now all the sudden back to 'reasonable' levels...

what a fk'n joke the energy sector has become .... not that we didn't call it beforehand ... it's too fondued fonzies patting muh arse in a 'huddle'...
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