(10-02-2024 10:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 09:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Whoops I forgot this was on last night haha

Apparently Walz did too

What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

(10-02-2024 10:32 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 09:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Whoops I forgot this was on last night haha

Apparently Walz did too

What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

Change the channel from MSNBC.

(10-02-2024 10:32 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 09:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Whoops I forgot this was on last night haha

Apparently Walz did too

What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

"I've become friends with school shooters" is being great on policy? "Sometimes, it's just the guns" is being great on policy?

Yes, I know you didn't watch it unfold in real time, but come on, man.

(10-02-2024 09:42 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 09:36 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  No shocker CBS did NOT HONOR the no fact checking rule. Very early in the debate on the Climate Change stupid question, after the responses they said Climate Scientists agree the global average temperature is increasing at an accelerated rate. An the technical fact check on Haitian immigrants in Springfield OH yes technically they are legal due to a loophole in the immigration law.

Vance made them pay for that second one.

Although the "befriending school shooters" comment is getting most of this morning's attention, Vance's ability to dish out a verbal face-slapping to the smug moderators is to me the highlight of the evening.

Yup. The “fact checking” from the moderators ended immediately after they got directly called out for not only breaking the rules—-but for a lack of understanding of the Administration is actively making the problem worse through untested potentially illegal bureaucratic action (the same kind of illegal bureaucratic action that created the problematic Dreamer Program).

(10-02-2024 10:37 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:32 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 09:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Whoops I forgot this was on last night haha

Apparently Walz did too

What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

"I've become friends with school shooters" is being great on policy? "Sometimes, it's just the guns" is being great on policy?

Yes, I know you didn't watch it unfold in real time, but come on, man.

It sounds like he meant befriend? As in, he befriended them to try and understand them more

But if we're going off of individual soundbite gotchas, Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:37 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:32 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 09:57 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Whoops I forgot this was on last night haha

Apparently Walz did too

What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

"I've become friends with school shooters" is being great on policy? "Sometimes, it's just the guns" is being great on policy?

Yes, I know you didn't watch it unfold in real time, but come on, man.

It sounds like he meant befriend? As in, he befriended them to try and understand them more

But if we're going off of individual soundbite gotchas, Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

The way I took it was he befriended school shooting victims' families.

And yes, it's fair to say both of them stuttered every now and then. But, and I know you're a lefty, but I'm asking you to trust me on this, Vance was much sharper, especially when it comes to policy. And I watched it in real time. Heck, I made this thread! lol

What I'll say as well is it was a hell of a lot more civil than I thought it was going to be, which is a huge plus. We need more debates and overall discussions on here and in the real world like that. So hey, there may be hope for this country yet.

(10-02-2024 10:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

It is when they said they weren't going to do that during the course of explaining the rules. Also, it's not whining. It's calling them out on their own hypocrisy. What they did was against the rules all sides (both candidates and the moderators) agreed upon. He's within his right as a debate participant to call them out.

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:37 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:32 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Apparently Walz did too

What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

"I've become friends with school shooters" is being great on policy? "Sometimes, it's just the guns" is being great on policy?

Yes, I know you didn't watch it unfold in real time, but come on, man.

It sounds like he meant befriend? As in, he befriended them to try and understand them more

But if we're going off of individual soundbite gotchas, Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

The way I took it was he befriended school shooting victims' families.

And yes, it's fair to say both of them stuttered every now and then. But, and I know you're a lefty, but I'm asking you to trust me on this, Vance was much sharper, especially when it comes to policy. And I watched it in real time. Heck, I made this thread! lol

What I'll say as well is it was a hell of a lot more civil than I thought it was going to be, which is a huge plus. We need more debates and overall discussions on here and in the real world like that. So hey, there may be hope for this country yet.

I don't think we see the same things in the way people talk. Vance looks like an experienced used car salesman comfortable giving his pitch, hitting all the buzz words that the people who buy his cars want to hear. If that's the sort of things that moves you, then I can see why he impressed you.

Rockets flying.
WWIII on horizon.
Ports closed due to strike.
Still finding bodies after hurricane.
FEMA out of cash (look it up) but we can ship money overseas?

And those moderators are worried about ... what?

(10-02-2024 10:54 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:37 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:32 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

"I've become friends with school shooters" is being great on policy? "Sometimes, it's just the guns" is being great on policy?

Yes, I know you didn't watch it unfold in real time, but come on, man.

It sounds like he meant befriend? As in, he befriended them to try and understand them more

But if we're going off of individual soundbite gotchas, Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

The way I took it was he befriended school shooting victims' families.

And yes, it's fair to say both of them stuttered every now and then. But, and I know you're a lefty, but I'm asking you to trust me on this, Vance was much sharper, especially when it comes to policy. And I watched it in real time. Heck, I made this thread! lol

What I'll say as well is it was a hell of a lot more civil than I thought it was going to be, which is a huge plus. We need more debates and overall discussions on here and in the real world like that. So hey, there may be hope for this country yet.

I don't think we see the same things in the way people talk. Vance looks like an experienced used car salesman comfortable giving his pitch, hitting all the buzz words that the people who buy his cars want to hear. If that's the sort of things that moves you, then I can see why he impressed you.

The head of your party is Obama and Clinton, and you don't like the way Vance speaks?

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

Trump lies...he's Hitler.

CBS lies...no biggie.

(10-02-2024 10:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

It is when they said they weren't going to do that during the course of explaining the rules. Also, it's not whining. It's calling them out on their own hypocrisy. What they did was against the rules all sides (both candidates and the moderators) agreed upon. He's within his right as a debate participant to call them out.

Idk man, sounds pretty weak to me. I'm a fan of anyone get called out for lying at any time. If someone says you're lying you shut them down with proof, not childish whimpering

(10-02-2024 11:00 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

It is when they said they weren't going to do that during the course of explaining the rules. Also, it's not whining. It's calling them out on their own hypocrisy. What they did was against the rules all sides (both candidates and the moderators) agreed upon. He's within his right as a debate participant to call them out.

Idk man, sounds pretty weak to me. I'm a fan of anyone get called out for lying at any time. If someone says you're lying you shut them down with proof, not childish whimpering

So, what you're saying is..you didn't watch it?

(10-02-2024 11:05 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 11:00 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

It is when they said they weren't going to do that during the course of explaining the rules. Also, it's not whining. It's calling them out on their own hypocrisy. What they did was against the rules all sides (both candidates and the moderators) agreed upon. He's within his right as a debate participant to call them out.

Idk man, sounds pretty weak to me. I'm a fan of anyone get called out for lying at any time. If someone says you're lying you shut them down with proof, not childish whimpering

So, what you're saying is..you didn't watch it?

He admitted as much.

Kruciff: Luckily, Vance actually had proof and did shut them down. *shrugs*

(10-02-2024 11:10 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 11:05 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 11:00 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

It is when they said they weren't going to do that during the course of explaining the rules. Also, it's not whining. It's calling them out on their own hypocrisy. What they did was against the rules all sides (both candidates and the moderators) agreed upon. He's within his right as a debate participant to call them out.

Idk man, sounds pretty weak to me. I'm a fan of anyone get called out for lying at any time. If someone says you're lying you shut them down with proof, not childish whimpering

So, what you're saying is..you didn't watch it?

He admitted as much.

Kruciff: Luckily, Vance actually had proof and did shut them down. *shrugs*

You heard: "Moderators aren't allowed to fact check"
I heard: "You're not allowed to call out my lies"

Simple as that

(10-02-2024 11:00 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

Yeah, true. I suspect he had a nasty mess to wipe off his boots afterward from the absolute ass-kicking he dealt out - - not just to Uncle Tampon, but to the moderators also.

Whining to the moderators that they're not allowed to fact check isn't the flex you think it is.

It is when they said they weren't going to do that during the course of explaining the rules. Also, it's not whining. It's calling them out on their own hypocrisy. What they did was against the rules all sides (both candidates and the moderators) agreed upon. He's within his right as a debate participant to call them out.

Idk man, sounds pretty weak to me. I'm a fan of anyone get called out for lying at any time. If someone says you're lying you shut them down with proof, not childish whimpering

Did you call out Adam Schiff for his lies? How about Walz himself for his lies? How about Hillary lying about her emails? Call her out?
How about the lies and cover up about Hunter Biden’s laptop? You call them out?

How about we call YOU out when you lie in the answer to my question? I’m all for that.

(10-02-2024 10:50 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:41 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:37 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:32 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Apparently Walz did too

What leads you to say that? Everything i'm seeing, Walz had plenty to say, was great on policy, and was quite respectful too

"I've become friends with school shooters" is being great on policy? "Sometimes, it's just the guns" is being great on policy?

Yes, I know you didn't watch it unfold in real time, but come on, man.

It sounds like he meant befriend? As in, he befriended them to try and understand them more

But if we're going off of individual soundbite gotchas, Vance didn't make it out of that debate without a blemish either

The way I took it was he befriended school shooting victims' families.

And yes, it's fair to say both of them stuttered every now and then. But, and I know you're a lefty, but I'm asking you to trust me on this, Vance was much sharper, especially when it comes to policy. And I watched it in real time. Heck, I made this thread! lol

What I'll say as well is it was a hell of a lot more civil than I thought it was going to be, which is a huge plus. We need more debates and overall discussions on here and in the real world like that. So hey, there may be hope for this country yet.

I don't think there's been one since Bush-Kerry. Obama and McCain and Romney weren't really disrespectful, but they mostly just spouted out talking points and ignored each other and the moderator's questions. Now, "the 80s want their foreign policy back" wasn't particularly respectful, and in view of Obama's later, "I'll have more flexibility after the election," and the Trump-Russia collusion hoax, sounds pretty ridiculous in retrospect.

(10-02-2024 11:13 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 11:10 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 11:05 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 11:00 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-02-2024 10:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  It is when they said they weren't going to do that during the course of explaining the rules. Also, it's not whining. It's calling them out on their own hypocrisy. What they did was against the rules all sides (both candidates and the moderators) agreed upon. He's within his right as a debate participant to call them out.

Idk man, sounds pretty weak to me. I'm a fan of anyone get called out for lying at any time. If someone says you're lying you shut them down with proof, not childish whimpering

So, what you're saying is..you didn't watch it?

He admitted as much.

Kruciff: Luckily, Vance actually had proof and did shut them down. *shrugs*

You heard: "Moderators aren't allowed to fact check"
I heard: "You're not allowed to call out my lies"

Simple as that

The moderators welched on an agreement. Your spirit animals.