(10-01-2024 12:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: (09-30-2024 11:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (09-30-2024 10:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (09-30-2024 08:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (09-30-2024 08:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Ahhh---I guess I missed the decoder gene where "I grew up in a middle class family" is a specific answer for everything from climate change to controlling inflation. Im also still working on what "dreams and aspirations" exactly means with respect to economic policy--but I guess you got the lucky decoder ring in your cereal box. Lucky you. Im just hoping the decoded message doesnt mean "Drink more Oveltine".
I agree the 'grew up in a middle class family' isnt responsive, and treat it as such.
At least it isnt giant hyperbole, nor to be taken as a literal response or statement of position.
And in the remainder of the answer, the vast, vast, vast majority of the time Harris simply doesnt require the super duper translation effort required by those listening to Trump, let alone the WTF is this that comes along with the references to sharks, electric batteries, Hannibal Lecter, and whole host of other rando **** that climbs out of the Trump oration experience.
I mean, pretty much every time Trump opens his mouth, there is the retreat by his followers that 'oh, thats just hyperbole'. Followed in the very next moment the next retreat by his followers that one shouldnt take him literally.
And yes, the 'grew up in a middle class family' is absolutely non-responsive, as well as the 'hopes and dreams' stuff -- it simply isnt the constant effort to magically discern between 'is she being literal, or is she being hyperbolic', let alone the 'WTF does Hannibal Lecter have anything to do with the subject' that is a fairly common style staple coming out of Trump speeches/ rallies.
You dont even know what the Hannible Lecter thing was about do you? You just heard that somewhere and now you repeat it. Sometimes Trump actually tells humorous stories and riffs (unlike Biden, Trump can actually ad lib and tell stories). I actually saw the riff and no longer remember what he was joking about---but it was just a humorous aside. Reagan once told a story about a lady who had been married 4 times and claimed to still have her wedding night virtue intact. What did that have to do with the economy or world matters? Nothing. It was just a funny story that would amuse the audience.
I think it an apropos example of a disjointed mind wandering. As are the other 'rando stuff' examples.
None of which aid the 'is this literal, or is this hyperbole' issue that seemingly pervade pretty much every Trump speech segment, and which have to be intercepted and translated for the general public by Trump 'translators'.
Again, compare any Harris segment on a policy issue vs Trump *attempting* to address a policy segment.
Not saying Harris is a massively skilled message bearer as was Obama. But the difference in communicating an organized, rational message is immense between the two.
Literally, Trump comes across much like the manner I would have expected Jim Jones to preach about the evils of the United States to the Guyana crowd.
Look, there is plenty in substance I dont agree with Kamala about -- assault weapon bans, the idea of taxing unrealized capital gains, the idea of higher corporate taxes, etc.
But when she places those ideas out there, she doesnt sound like Jim Jones jacked up on mushrooms and chasing weird semi-lucid thought processes mixed with language that requires handlers to translate after the fact selectively as 'must take it literally' or 'its just hyperbole' that Trump speeches seemingly require.
Oh Good Lord....Jim Jones??? Really? Just the other day you were upset when I pointed out how most of your criticisms bascially boil down to some outlandish variation of "Orange Man Bad". Well---I'll mark this thread for reference next time you gripe about that kind of accusation.
At least be accurate -- my 'gripe' with you was your reflexive assignment of something negative being ascribed to nothing more than my dislike of Trump. That is, simply based on personal bias and nothing more.
You want to use language like I do above? Go right ahead. By my guest.
In distinction (a somewhat crucial one here) when you ascribe *to me* that my position is based on nothing but a personal bias, I will point out your previous (correctly asserted) gripe with me ascribing a nothing but personal bias of yours for a statement you made.
Quote:The fact is these Harris word salads you refer to as "clear communication" are not communication at all. They are actually the exact opposite of communication. They are high word count time killers that dont communicate anything. Worse yet---she only has a handful of these word salad answers---so they have to be vague enough so the chameleon candidate can literally recite the answer following any journalist question as a sort of "universal answer". "Seinfield" was famously "a show about nothing". The typical Harris word salad answer is the literally the political version "Seinfield"---an answer about nothing.
This is nothing?
"We need to lower the cost of housing. We don’t have enough housing in our country. The supply is too low, and it’s too expensive both for renters and for folks who want to buy a home. So, we will build together millions of new homes and give first-time homebuyers $25,000 in down payment assistance. "
Word salad?
"We will cut taxes for working families, including restoring and expanding the Child Tax Credit."
Nothing but disjointed message?
"And together, CHC, we must also reform our broken immigration system — (applause) — and protect our DREAMers and understand we can do both — create an earned pathway to citizenship and ensure our border is secure. We can do both and we must do both."
Not communicating anything?
"And now they have pledged to carry out the largest deportation — a mass deportation — in American history. Imagine what that would look like and what that would be. How is that going to happen? Massive raids? Massive detention camps? What are they talking about?"
Vague? Misdirection?
"Everyone here knows. Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would do just what they did, which is to overturn the protections of Roe v. Wade. And now, in more than 20 states, we have a Trump abortion ban, which criminalized health care providers — in one state, providing prison for life."
Seriously?
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Here are examples from Trumps Rally speech in Wisconsin today.
"I love this state. I just gave you the biggest… Before I left, I gave you the biggest shipbuilding contract in the nation, and a lot of other states are angry at me. You know that, Derrick. You know where it is, right?"
"But outside we have thousands and thousands of people. Would anybody love to give up their seat? So we were going to have a thing outside some place in an area where we could have held the people. And I would say… What do you think? 40, 50,000 people, at least, out there. This went almost all the way to the airport and it looked like when Lindbergh landed in New York. Do you remember that? He had all the way, the Broadway, the way they used to do it, and this looked like it, but thousands and thousands of people, and they all could have had a lot of fun. Instead, now they’re probably leaving and walking back home because we have a nice little room that probably holds 1,500, 2,000, maybe less. And outside you have 40, 50,000 people because the administration couldn’t give us the Secret Service necessary because they’re guarding… Because they’re guarding the Iranian president who’s looking to kill Trump. Can you believe it?"
"They’re making your jobs much tougher, right? Your jobs. Oh, that’s nice, people. Looking… Oh, look at the people behind. Are they relatives of yours, chief? I don’t think so. Oh, that’s nice. Wonderful. Well, you got a lot of killers in our country. You saw that yesterday."
All in the first five minutes.
"She worked at McDonald’s, and I didn’t work there, she didn’t work there. But I’m going to go to a McDonald’s, I think, over the next two weeks. And I’m going to stand over the french fries. She said, “I stood over those french fries.” She never did. It turned out to be a lie. And when I mentioned that, they go, “Oh, he’s fallen into a trap because he…” You ever see that? Whenever I criticize, they say… All the stupid people, the anchors back there, no, they say, “He fell into a trap, her trap.” She can’t set a mental trap. There is no… But if she says something wrong, like in the debate, she said something wrong, I questioned it. She said another thing wrong, I made her look bad."
"How about Nancy? Did you see? Did you see this? Crazy Nancy, she’s crazy as a bedbug. Listen, crazy Nancy, okay. Visa announces that they’re under major investigation, major, by the Department of Justice, major, Visa. She owns a lot of Visa stock. They said Nancy Pelosi. She sold it the day before it was announced. One day. Her and her husband. They sold their stock the day before this was announced. Can you imagine if that were a Republican? I don’t think so. Oh, no. It’s terrible. It’s terrible. No, it’s terrible. That they’re allowed to do that is terrible."
This montage of verbal **** by Trump lasts an hour thirteen minutes, mind you.
Where exactly is the "clear[] defin[ition] [of] his vision of the mission of government" that you laud so strongly in any of that claptrap above?
That is, besides when he isnt simply lying through his teeth (today -- he claimed Biden hasnt talked with the Governor of Georgia regarding Helene yet, albeit a video was taped of them talking day before yesterday.)
Seriously, just take a look at any Trump transcript. He seriously does not have the focus to put together any more than 3 related sentences (maybe even patched together sentence fragments) before wandering off on some cloud 9 excursion, sometimes rejoining the topic after that, more often wandering into some other random 20 die topic that flutters into view. If you call this mode of communication a "clear definition", you and I have seriously differing standards of 'clear', let alone 'definition.'
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Another Brilliant Idea - trump to End Crime with Violence
