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RE: Another Brilliant Idea - trump to End Crime with Violence
(09-30-2024 05:57 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
Quote:Did Barry call for a national police or not?

I don't believe so.

I imagine you're referring to this:

Quote:Obama was not talking about a “security force” with guns or police powers. He was talking specifically about expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the USA Freedom Corps, which is the volunteer initiative launched by the Bush administration after the attacks of 9/11, and about increasing the number of trained Foreign Service officers who populate U.S. embassies overseas.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas...ity-force/

I wilL COMPLETELY disagree with you on this one Tom. We've found common ground here or there, but nope. Barry did want a "national police force".

Again, I LIVE in the "city" where they went through downtown training maneuvers, specifically for this purpose.

It wasn't supposed to get out, but in an interview with the St. Louis post, he even got quoted as saying that this was the basis for a much needed Nat'l Police Force.

It slipped by a lot of people, but others raised holy hell for

a) St. Louis being the city that was going to be the test for this.
b) Some of the tools they were being given to be used during the testing of this
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c) what were their powers (and why wasn't the calling of the National Guard by the governor enough of a show of force if needed?).

Antifa and BLM are the front groups for this private national security force. The Michael Brown incident in St. Louis was a test run for their capabilities, at least on the BLM side.
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(09-30-2024 01:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 01:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy is such a genius. I just may change my vote!

Constitution be damned...

Quote:Former President donald trump on Sunday called for “one real rough, nasty” and “violent day” of police retaliation in order to eradicate crime “immediately.”

“One rough hour — and I mean real rough — the word will get out and it will end immediately, you know? It will end immediately,” trump said.

Asked whether the former president’s idea amounted to a new proposal and how such an operation would work, a campaign official said trump was “clearly just floating it in jest.”
trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime

Yeah, real ******* funny, moron. Geesh.

Yeah---OMG---its so much worse an idea than simultaneously "defunding the police" and curtailing "cash bail" requirements while opening the southern border to thousands of wanted violent criminals---How could Americans possibly want to vote Trump when the Progressives Democrats are offering such an smart incredibly well thought out plan to make Americans safe again. The scary thing is Trump is joking around while the Progressive plan I outlined is their actual governance blue print for society.

Defunding the police was a stupid idea and a stupidly named idea as it really did no such thing. Not to mention, that this never really happened anywhere.

But it's still a good talking point for the cult I guess. 03-zzz

Defunding means cutting the budget for police (or reducing the number of actual officers)----which HAPPENED in A LOT of Blue parts of the nation. Getting rid of cash bail which led to a revolving door of repeat criminals staying on the streets (rather than cooling their heels in jail) was also enacted in many jurisdictions led by clueless Progressives----and we now know that tens of thousands of violent criminals and wanted suspects for violent crimes were allowed to enter our nation through the open southern border (actual government stats now admit this). Just cuz you dont like the facts doesnt mean you get to make up your own.
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RE: Another Brilliant Idea - trump to End Crime with Violence
(09-30-2024 12:46 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy is such a genius. I just may change my vote!

Constitution be damned...

Quote:Former President donald trump on Sunday called for “one real rough, nasty” and “violent day” of police retaliation in order to eradicate crime “immediately.”

“One rough hour — and I mean real rough — the word will get out and it will end immediately, you know? It will end immediately,” trump said.

Asked whether the former president’s idea amounted to a new proposal and how such an operation would work, a campaign official said trump was “clearly just floating it in jest.”
trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime

Yeah, real ******* funny, moron. Geesh.

Clearly you don't understand hyperbole.

I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.
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RE: Another Brilliant Idea - trump to End Crime with Violence
(09-30-2024 07:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:46 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy is such a genius. I just may change my vote!

Constitution be damned...

Quote:Former President donald trump on Sunday called for “one real rough, nasty” and “violent day” of police retaliation in order to eradicate crime “immediately.”

“One rough hour — and I mean real rough — the word will get out and it will end immediately, you know? It will end immediately,” trump said.

Asked whether the former president’s idea amounted to a new proposal and how such an operation would work, a campaign official said trump was “clearly just floating it in jest.”
trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime

Yeah, real ******* funny, moron. Geesh.

Clearly you don't understand hyperbole.

I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.

"I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort"

Harris comes to mine, can anyone ever figure out what the hell she's even talking about?
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(09-30-2024 07:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:46 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy is such a genius. I just may change my vote!

Constitution be damned...

Quote:Former President donald trump on Sunday called for “one real rough, nasty” and “violent day” of police retaliation in order to eradicate crime “immediately.”

“One rough hour — and I mean real rough — the word will get out and it will end immediately, you know? It will end immediately,” trump said.

Asked whether the former president’s idea amounted to a new proposal and how such an operation would work, a campaign official said trump was “clearly just floating it in jest.”
trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime

Yeah, real ******* funny, moron. Geesh.

Clearly you don't understand hyperbole.

I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.

So in other words, you actually believe every movie made is actually "the new blockbuster hit!" it claims to be, that the circus is actually the "Greatest Show On Earth", that Al Gore invented the internet, and that your social security funds are actually safe in a "lock box".

I think your smarter than that and know exactly what Trump's saying, when he's joking, and when he is using hyperbole to make a point.
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(09-30-2024 06:02 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Antifa and BLM are the front groups for this private national security force. The Michael Brown incident in St. Louis was a test run for their capabilities, at least on the BLM side.

Antifa - I can see the argument for that being a front group for this, as an argument, Andy. (next to the Patriots Front, or whatever those Khaki FBI clowns are called).

But BLM? No.. they are a bunch of racists who wanted whatever grift they could get, whether from local powers or national powers or suckers who donated to their cause. (If you disagree, so be it...)
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(09-30-2024 07:27 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 06:02 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Antifa and BLM are the front groups for this private national security force. The Michael Brown incident in St. Louis was a test run for their capabilities, at least on the BLM side.

Antifa - I can see the argument for that being a front group for this, as an argument, Andy. (next to the Patriots Front, or whatever those Khaki FBI clowns are called).

But BLM? No.. they are a bunch of racists who wanted whatever grift they could get, whether from local powers or national powers or suckers who donated to their cause. (If you disagree, so be it...)

Antifa may as well be the grandchild of Weather Underground. I just brought up BLM because St. Louis was mentioned, and it made me think of the riots that took place after Michael Brown was killed.
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Tom tries so hard to be relevant but he’s just not. It’s a tired act but entertaining in a minor traffic accident sense.
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(09-30-2024 07:47 PM)450bench Wrote:  Tom tries so hard to be relevant but he’s just not. It’s a tired act.

It's kinda sad actually.
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(09-30-2024 07:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:46 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy is such a genius. I just may change my vote!

Constitution be damned...

Quote:Former President donald trump on Sunday called for “one real rough, nasty” and “violent day” of police retaliation in order to eradicate crime “immediately.”

“One rough hour — and I mean real rough — the word will get out and it will end immediately, you know? It will end immediately,” trump said.

Asked whether the former president’s idea amounted to a new proposal and how such an operation would work, a campaign official said trump was “clearly just floating it in jest.”
trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime

Yeah, real ******* funny, moron. Geesh.

Clearly you don't understand hyperbole.

I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.

So in other words, you actually believe every movie made is actually "the new blockbuster hit!" it claims to be, that the circus is actually the "Greatest Show On Earth", that Al Gore invented the internet, and that your social security funds are actually safe in a "lock box".

I think your smarter than that and know exactly what Trump's saying, when he's joking, and when he is using hyperbole to make a point.

I think my last paragraph encapsulates the issue rather well.

At least with Harris, she manages to convey ideas and concepts without employing the full time effort of the wackjob Trump to normal English super decoder ring that one has to utilize for a Trump speech, let alone the ‘is this literal or hyperbole’ switch one has to engage.
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(09-30-2024 08:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:46 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy is such a genius. I just may change my vote!

Constitution be damned...

trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime

Yeah, real ******* funny, moron. Geesh.

Clearly you don't understand hyperbole.

I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.

So in other words, you actually believe every movie made is actually "the new blockbuster hit!" it claims to be, that the circus is actually the "Greatest Show On Earth", that Al Gore invented the internet, and that your social security funds are actually safe in a "lock box".

I think your smarter than that and know exactly what Trump's saying, when he's joking, and when he is using hyperbole to make a point.

I think my last paragraph encapsulates the issue rather well.

At least with Harris, she manages to convey ideas and concepts without employing the full time effort of the wackjob Trump to normal English super decoder ring that one has to utilize for a Trump speech, let alone the ‘is this literal or hyperbole’ switch one has to engage.

Ahhh---I guess I missed the decoder gene where "I grew up in a middle class family" is a specific answer for everything from climate change to controlling inflation. Im also still working on what "dreams and aspirations" exactly means with respect to economic policy--but I guess you got the lucky decoder ring in your cereal box. Lucky you. Im just hoping the decoded message doesnt mean "Drink more Oveltine".
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(09-30-2024 08:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:46 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Clearly you don't understand hyperbole.

I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.

So in other words, you actually believe every movie made is actually "the new blockbuster hit!" it claims to be, that the circus is actually the "Greatest Show On Earth", that Al Gore invented the internet, and that your social security funds are actually safe in a "lock box".

I think your smarter than that and know exactly what Trump's saying, when he's joking, and when he is using hyperbole to make a point.

I think my last paragraph encapsulates the issue rather well.

At least with Harris, she manages to convey ideas and concepts without employing the full time effort of the wackjob Trump to normal English super decoder ring that one has to utilize for a Trump speech, let alone the ‘is this literal or hyperbole’ switch one has to engage.

Ahhh---I guess I missed the decoder gene where "I grew up in a middle class family" is a specific answer for everything from climate change to controlling inflation. Im also still working on what "dreams and aspirations" exactly means with respect to economic policy--but I guess you got the lucky decoder ring in your cereal box. Lucky you. Im just hoping the decoded message doesnt mean "Drink more Oveltine".

I agree the 'grew up in a middle class family' isnt responsive, and treat it as such.

At least it isnt giant hyperbole, nor to be taken as a literal response or statement of position.

And in the remainder of the answer, the vast, vast, vast majority of the time Harris simply doesnt require the super duper translation effort required by those listening to Trump, let alone the WTF is this that comes along with the references to sharks, electric batteries, Hannibal Lecter, and whole host of other rando **** that climbs out of the Trump oration experience.

I mean, pretty much every time Trump opens his mouth, there is the retreat by his followers that 'oh, thats just hyperbole'. Followed in the very next moment the next retreat by his followers that one shouldnt take him literally.

And yes, the 'grew up in a middle class family' is absolutely non-responsive, as well as the 'hopes and dreams' stuff -- it simply isnt the constant effort to magically discern between 'is she being literal, or is she being hyperbolic', let alone the 'WTF does Hannibal Lecter have anything to do with the subject' that is a fairly common style staple coming out of Trump speeches/ rallies.
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(09-30-2024 07:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:46 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy is such a genius. I just may change my vote!

Constitution be damned...

Quote:Former President donald trump on Sunday called for “one real rough, nasty” and “violent day” of police retaliation in order to eradicate crime “immediately.”

“One rough hour — and I mean real rough — the word will get out and it will end immediately, you know? It will end immediately,” trump said.

Asked whether the former president’s idea amounted to a new proposal and how such an operation would work, a campaign official said trump was “clearly just floating it in jest.”
trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime

Yeah, real ******* funny, moron. Geesh.

Clearly you don't understand hyperbole.

I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.

yet, the majority find 'what tanq say' in the same vein...

napes ... was never fiddy/fiddy...
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(09-30-2024 08:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I find it to be problematic when half the time the excuse is that Trumps words should be read as hyperbole, and the other half of the time the cheering section proclaims that Trumps words shouldn’t be taken literally.

And 95% of the time someone else is required to tell the audience what Trump is meaning to say.

The effort to keep up with the ‘What Trump Says’ game is truly remarkable. I can’t think of another political figure that requires this full time translation effort.

So in other words, you actually believe every movie made is actually "the new blockbuster hit!" it claims to be, that the circus is actually the "Greatest Show On Earth", that Al Gore invented the internet, and that your social security funds are actually safe in a "lock box".

I think your smarter than that and know exactly what Trump's saying, when he's joking, and when he is using hyperbole to make a point.

I think my last paragraph encapsulates the issue rather well.

At least with Harris, she manages to convey ideas and concepts without employing the full time effort of the wackjob Trump to normal English super decoder ring that one has to utilize for a Trump speech, let alone the ‘is this literal or hyperbole’ switch one has to engage.

Ahhh---I guess I missed the decoder gene where "I grew up in a middle class family" is a specific answer for everything from climate change to controlling inflation. Im also still working on what "dreams and aspirations" exactly means with respect to economic policy--but I guess you got the lucky decoder ring in your cereal box. Lucky you. Im just hoping the decoded message doesnt mean "Drink more Oveltine".

I agree the 'grew up in a middle class family' isnt responsive, and treat it as such.

At least it isnt giant hyperbole, nor to be taken as a literal response or statement of position.

And in the remainder of the answer, the vast, vast, vast majority of the time Harris simply doesnt require the super duper translation effort required by those listening to Trump, let alone the WTF is this that comes along with the references to sharks, electric batteries, Hannibal Lecter, and whole host of other rando **** that climbs out of the Trump oration experience.

I mean, pretty much every time Trump opens his mouth, there is the retreat by his followers that 'oh, thats just hyperbole'. Followed in the very next moment the next retreat by his followers that one shouldnt take him literally.

And yes, the 'grew up in a middle class family' is absolutely non-responsive, as well as the 'hopes and dreams' stuff -- it simply isnt the constant effort to magically discern between 'is she being literal, or is she being hyperbolic', let alone the 'WTF does Hannibal Lecter have anything to do with the subject' that is a fairly common style staple coming out of Trump speeches/ rallies.

You dont even know what the Hannible Lecter thing was about do you? You just heard that somewhere and now you repeat it. Sometimes Trump actually tells humorous stories and riffs (unlike Biden, Trump can actually ad lib and tell stories). I actually saw the riff and no longer remember what he was joking about---but it was just a humorous aside. Reagan once told a story about a lady who had been married 4 times and claimed to still have her wedding night virtue intact. What did that have to do with the economy or world matters? Nothing. It was just a funny story that would amuse the audience.
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(09-30-2024 10:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 07:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So in other words, you actually believe every movie made is actually "the new blockbuster hit!" it claims to be, that the circus is actually the "Greatest Show On Earth", that Al Gore invented the internet, and that your social security funds are actually safe in a "lock box".

I think your smarter than that and know exactly what Trump's saying, when he's joking, and when he is using hyperbole to make a point.

I think my last paragraph encapsulates the issue rather well.

At least with Harris, she manages to convey ideas and concepts without employing the full time effort of the wackjob Trump to normal English super decoder ring that one has to utilize for a Trump speech, let alone the ‘is this literal or hyperbole’ switch one has to engage.

Ahhh---I guess I missed the decoder gene where "I grew up in a middle class family" is a specific answer for everything from climate change to controlling inflation. Im also still working on what "dreams and aspirations" exactly means with respect to economic policy--but I guess you got the lucky decoder ring in your cereal box. Lucky you. Im just hoping the decoded message doesnt mean "Drink more Oveltine".

I agree the 'grew up in a middle class family' isnt responsive, and treat it as such.

At least it isnt giant hyperbole, nor to be taken as a literal response or statement of position.

And in the remainder of the answer, the vast, vast, vast majority of the time Harris simply doesnt require the super duper translation effort required by those listening to Trump, let alone the WTF is this that comes along with the references to sharks, electric batteries, Hannibal Lecter, and whole host of other rando **** that climbs out of the Trump oration experience.

I mean, pretty much every time Trump opens his mouth, there is the retreat by his followers that 'oh, thats just hyperbole'. Followed in the very next moment the next retreat by his followers that one shouldnt take him literally.

And yes, the 'grew up in a middle class family' is absolutely non-responsive, as well as the 'hopes and dreams' stuff -- it simply isnt the constant effort to magically discern between 'is she being literal, or is she being hyperbolic', let alone the 'WTF does Hannibal Lecter have anything to do with the subject' that is a fairly common style staple coming out of Trump speeches/ rallies.

You dont even know what the Hannible Lecter thing was about do you? You just heard that somewhere and now you repeat it. Sometimes Trump actually tells humorous stories and riffs (unlike Biden, Trump can actually ad lib and tell stories). I actually saw the riff and no longer remember what he was joking about---but it was just a humorous aside. Reagan once told a story about a lady who had been married 4 times and claimed to still have her wedding night virtue intact. What did that have to do with the economy or world matters? Nothing. It was just a funny story that would amuse the audience.

I think it an apropos example of a disjointed mind wandering. As are the other 'rando stuff' examples.

None of which aid the 'is this literal, or is this hyperbole' issue that seemingly pervade pretty much every Trump speech segment, and which have to be intercepted and translated for the general public by Trump 'translators'.

Again, compare any Harris segment on a policy issue vs Trump *attempting* to address a policy segment.

Not saying Harris is a massively skilled message bearer as was Obama. But the difference in communicating an organized, rational message is immense between the two.

Literally, Trump comes across much like the manner I would have expected Jim Jones to preach about the evils of the United States to the Guyana crowd.

Look, there is plenty in substance I dont agree with Kamala about -- assault weapon bans, the idea of taxing unrealized capital gains, the idea of higher corporate taxes, etc.

But when she places those ideas out there, she doesnt sound like Jim Jones jacked up on mushrooms and chasing weird semi-lucid thought processes mixed with language that requires handlers to translate after the fact selectively as 'must take it literally' or 'its just hyperbole' that Trump speeches seemingly require.
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RE: Another Brilliant Idea - trump to End Crime with Violence
(09-30-2024 11:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 10:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I think my last paragraph encapsulates the issue rather well.

At least with Harris, she manages to convey ideas and concepts without employing the full time effort of the wackjob Trump to normal English super decoder ring that one has to utilize for a Trump speech, let alone the ‘is this literal or hyperbole’ switch one has to engage.

Ahhh---I guess I missed the decoder gene where "I grew up in a middle class family" is a specific answer for everything from climate change to controlling inflation. Im also still working on what "dreams and aspirations" exactly means with respect to economic policy--but I guess you got the lucky decoder ring in your cereal box. Lucky you. Im just hoping the decoded message doesnt mean "Drink more Oveltine".

I agree the 'grew up in a middle class family' isnt responsive, and treat it as such.

At least it isnt giant hyperbole, nor to be taken as a literal response or statement of position.

And in the remainder of the answer, the vast, vast, vast majority of the time Harris simply doesnt require the super duper translation effort required by those listening to Trump, let alone the WTF is this that comes along with the references to sharks, electric batteries, Hannibal Lecter, and whole host of other rando **** that climbs out of the Trump oration experience.

I mean, pretty much every time Trump opens his mouth, there is the retreat by his followers that 'oh, thats just hyperbole'. Followed in the very next moment the next retreat by his followers that one shouldnt take him literally.

And yes, the 'grew up in a middle class family' is absolutely non-responsive, as well as the 'hopes and dreams' stuff -- it simply isnt the constant effort to magically discern between 'is she being literal, or is she being hyperbolic', let alone the 'WTF does Hannibal Lecter have anything to do with the subject' that is a fairly common style staple coming out of Trump speeches/ rallies.

You dont even know what the Hannible Lecter thing was about do you? You just heard that somewhere and now you repeat it. Sometimes Trump actually tells humorous stories and riffs (unlike Biden, Trump can actually ad lib and tell stories). I actually saw the riff and no longer remember what he was joking about---but it was just a humorous aside. Reagan once told a story about a lady who had been married 4 times and claimed to still have her wedding night virtue intact. What did that have to do with the economy or world matters? Nothing. It was just a funny story that would amuse the audience.

I think it an apropos example of a disjointed mind wandering. As are the other 'rando stuff' examples.

None of which aid the 'is this literal, or is this hyperbole' issue that seemingly pervade pretty much every Trump speech segment, and which have to be intercepted and translated for the general public by Trump 'translators'.

Again, compare any Harris segment on a policy issue vs Trump *attempting* to address a policy segment.

Not saying Harris is a massively skilled message bearer as was Obama. But the difference in communicating an organized, rational message is immense between the two.

Literally, Trump comes across much like the manner I would have expected Jim Jones to preach about the evils of the United States to the Guyana crowd.

Look, there is plenty in substance I dont agree with Kamala about -- assault weapon bans, the idea of taxing unrealized capital gains, the idea of higher corporate taxes, etc.

But when she places those ideas out there, she doesnt sound like Jim Jones jacked up on mushrooms and chasing weird semi-lucid thought processes mixed with language that requires handlers to translate after the fact selectively as 'must take it literally' or 'its just hyperbole' that Trump speeches seemingly require.

Oh Good Lord....Jim Jones??? Really? Just the other day you were upset when I pointed out how most of your criticisms bascially boil down to some outlandish variation of "Orange Man Bad". Well---I'll mark this thread for reference next time you gripe about that kind of accusation.

The fact is these Harris word salads you refer to as "clear communication" are not communication at all. They are actually the exact opposite of communication. They are high word count time killers that dont communicate anything. Worse yet---she only has a handful of these word salad answers---so they have to be vague enough so the chameleon candidate can literally recite the answer following any journalist question as a sort of "universal answer". "Seinfield" was famously "a show about nothing". The typical Harris word salad answer is the literally the political version "Seinfield"---an answer about nothing.

More concerning is the realization that these answers are insidious deflections and misdirections designed at best to avoid admitting she has no idea what she's doing---and at worst the answers are designed to avoid leveling with the public by revealing the extreme crap she actually intends to do. Those Harris word salads are specifically designed to deceive and mislead----and they scare me far more than a candidate who has a humorous detour in a speech. At least a Trump speech clearly defines his vision of the mission of government in pretty down to earth plain language. "America First"---a government that places the interests of its own citizens over the interests of foreign nations--Imagine that. Hard to believe that is in any way remotely controversial. Every other nation has been doing that for years....often at our expense.
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RE: Another Brilliant Idea - trump to End Crime with Violence
Regardless of who wins the election someone is going to have to clean up the mess of the last 4 years.

As Harris and Walz have both said we have to get past the failed policies of the last 4 years. That includes bail reform, diversity policing and the poorly enacted social justice reforms of Floydpalooza.

Americans must get tough on crime again. The Californication of our Nation cannot be allowed to continue.

Is there going to be violence? yes
Is it necessary? absolutely

You don't let your kids run wild for years and not face some pushback when you decide to start disciplining them again.

We must reestablish the concept of being responsible for ones own actions.
That begins by returning corporal punishment into the public schools.

Once teachers and administrators reestablish order in our schools, the process of fixing the last few years of malfeasance can begin.

Obviously you can't paddle criminals, we can however issue swift penalties for murder or gun crimes.

You commit a crime with a gun you get life in jail. Not these country clubs we have now. When you commit a gun crime you lose your rights. From then on until your life ends "your azz is mine" punishment.

You kill someone you lose your life. Simple concept.. worked for thousands of years. Until liberals removed the idea of being responsible for your own actions. You can bet your azz if these kids out shooting other young people knew they would be put to death immediately for killing another person, crime would plummet.

Only the worst of the worst would continue harming others after reinstatement of public executions. Then the real violence begins. You meet the worst on their terms. You shoot to kill, not to apprehend.

Eventually one of two things will happen.

You'll kill every real criminal.
Or the criminals will find another place to call home.

Then we inform Mexico that we will help them clean up the cartel or simply do it ourselves. Any money found money would be repatriated back into the US

We make it illegal for any American bank or service to send money to Mexico or any other country in South or Middle America. If you eliminate the incentive to come here they'll go back home. Know this
If the US stopped the unrestricted flow of dollars into Mexico, the Mexican economy would collapse.

Sure some of these ideas are going to seem excessive to the soft weak liberal mind, too bad. We've done it your way the last 50 years and look at the mess it has made.

Out of chaos will come order.
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RE: Another Brilliant Idea - trump to End Crime with Violence
(10-01-2024 12:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 11:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 10:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-30-2024 08:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ahhh---I guess I missed the decoder gene where "I grew up in a middle class family" is a specific answer for everything from climate change to controlling inflation. Im also still working on what "dreams and aspirations" exactly means with respect to economic policy--but I guess you got the lucky decoder ring in your cereal box. Lucky you. Im just hoping the decoded message doesnt mean "Drink more Oveltine".

I agree the 'grew up in a middle class family' isnt responsive, and treat it as such.

At least it isnt giant hyperbole, nor to be taken as a literal response or statement of position.

And in the remainder of the answer, the vast, vast, vast majority of the time Harris simply doesnt require the super duper translation effort required by those listening to Trump, let alone the WTF is this that comes along with the references to sharks, electric batteries, Hannibal Lecter, and whole host of other rando **** that climbs out of the Trump oration experience.

I mean, pretty much every time Trump opens his mouth, there is the retreat by his followers that 'oh, thats just hyperbole'. Followed in the very next moment the next retreat by his followers that one shouldnt take him literally.

And yes, the 'grew up in a middle class family' is absolutely non-responsive, as well as the 'hopes and dreams' stuff -- it simply isnt the constant effort to magically discern between 'is she being literal, or is she being hyperbolic', let alone the 'WTF does Hannibal Lecter have anything to do with the subject' that is a fairly common style staple coming out of Trump speeches/ rallies.

You dont even know what the Hannible Lecter thing was about do you? You just heard that somewhere and now you repeat it. Sometimes Trump actually tells humorous stories and riffs (unlike Biden, Trump can actually ad lib and tell stories). I actually saw the riff and no longer remember what he was joking about---but it was just a humorous aside. Reagan once told a story about a lady who had been married 4 times and claimed to still have her wedding night virtue intact. What did that have to do with the economy or world matters? Nothing. It was just a funny story that would amuse the audience.

I think it an apropos example of a disjointed mind wandering. As are the other 'rando stuff' examples.

None of which aid the 'is this literal, or is this hyperbole' issue that seemingly pervade pretty much every Trump speech segment, and which have to be intercepted and translated for the general public by Trump 'translators'.

Again, compare any Harris segment on a policy issue vs Trump *attempting* to address a policy segment.

Not saying Harris is a massively skilled message bearer as was Obama. But the difference in communicating an organized, rational message is immense between the two.

Literally, Trump comes across much like the manner I would have expected Jim Jones to preach about the evils of the United States to the Guyana crowd.

Look, there is plenty in substance I dont agree with Kamala about -- assault weapon bans, the idea of taxing unrealized capital gains, the idea of higher corporate taxes, etc.

But when she places those ideas out there, she doesnt sound like Jim Jones jacked up on mushrooms and chasing weird semi-lucid thought processes mixed with language that requires handlers to translate after the fact selectively as 'must take it literally' or 'its just hyperbole' that Trump speeches seemingly require.

Oh Good Lord....Jim Jones??? Really? Just the other day you were upset when I pointed out how most of your criticisms bascially boil down to some outlandish variation of "Orange Man Bad". Well---I'll mark this thread for reference next time you gripe about that kind of accusation.

At least be accurate -- my 'gripe' with you was your reflexive assignment of something negative being ascribed to nothing more than my dislike of Trump. That is, simply based on personal bias and nothing more.

You want to use language like I do above? Go right ahead. By my guest.

In distinction (a somewhat crucial one here) when you ascribe *to me* that my position is based on nothing but a personal bias, I will point out your previous (correctly asserted) gripe with me ascribing a nothing but personal bias of yours for a statement you made.

Quote:The fact is these Harris word salads you refer to as "clear communication" are not communication at all. They are actually the exact opposite of communication. They are high word count time killers that dont communicate anything. Worse yet---she only has a handful of these word salad answers---so they have to be vague enough so the chameleon candidate can literally recite the answer following any journalist question as a sort of "universal answer". "Seinfield" was famously "a show about nothing". The typical Harris word salad answer is the literally the political version "Seinfield"---an answer about nothing.

This is nothing?

"We need to lower the cost of housing. We don’t have enough housing in our country. The supply is too low, and it’s too expensive both for renters and for folks who want to buy a home. So, we will build together millions of new homes and give first-time homebuyers $25,000 in down payment assistance. "

Word salad?

"We will cut taxes for working families, including restoring and expanding the Child Tax Credit."

Nothing but disjointed message?

"And together, CHC, we must also reform our broken immigration system — (applause) — and protect our DREAMers and understand we can do both — create an earned pathway to citizenship and ensure our border is secure. We can do both and we must do both."

Not communicating anything?

"And now they have pledged to carry out the largest deportation — a mass deportation — in American history. Imagine what that would look like and what that would be. How is that going to happen? Massive raids? Massive detention camps? What are they talking about?"

Vague? Misdirection?

"Everyone here knows. Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would do just what they did, which is to overturn the protections of Roe v. Wade. And now, in more than 20 states, we have a Trump abortion ban, which criminalized health care providers — in one state, providing prison for life."

Seriously?
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Here are examples from Trumps Rally speech in Wisconsin today.

"I love this state. I just gave you the biggest… Before I left, I gave you the biggest shipbuilding contract in the nation, and a lot of other states are angry at me. You know that, Derrick. You know where it is, right?"

"But outside we have thousands and thousands of people. Would anybody love to give up their seat? So we were going to have a thing outside some place in an area where we could have held the people. And I would say… What do you think? 40, 50,000 people, at least, out there. This went almost all the way to the airport and it looked like when Lindbergh landed in New York. Do you remember that? He had all the way, the Broadway, the way they used to do it, and this looked like it, but thousands and thousands of people, and they all could have had a lot of fun. Instead, now they’re probably leaving and walking back home because we have a nice little room that probably holds 1,500, 2,000, maybe less. And outside you have 40, 50,000 people because the administration couldn’t give us the Secret Service necessary because they’re guarding… Because they’re guarding the Iranian president who’s looking to kill Trump. Can you believe it?"

"They’re making your jobs much tougher, right? Your jobs. Oh, that’s nice, people. Looking… Oh, look at the people behind. Are they relatives of yours, chief? I don’t think so. Oh, that’s nice. Wonderful. Well, you got a lot of killers in our country. You saw that yesterday."

All in the first five minutes.

"She worked at McDonald’s, and I didn’t work there, she didn’t work there. But I’m going to go to a McDonald’s, I think, over the next two weeks. And I’m going to stand over the french fries. She said, “I stood over those french fries.” She never did. It turned out to be a lie. And when I mentioned that, they go, “Oh, he’s fallen into a trap because he…” You ever see that? Whenever I criticize, they say… All the stupid people, the anchors back there, no, they say, “He fell into a trap, her trap.” She can’t set a mental trap. There is no… But if she says something wrong, like in the debate, she said something wrong, I questioned it. She said another thing wrong, I made her look bad."

"How about Nancy? Did you see? Did you see this? Crazy Nancy, she’s crazy as a bedbug. Listen, crazy Nancy, okay. Visa announces that they’re under major investigation, major, by the Department of Justice, major, Visa. She owns a lot of Visa stock. They said Nancy Pelosi. She sold it the day before it was announced. One day. Her and her husband. They sold their stock the day before this was announced. Can you imagine if that were a Republican? I don’t think so. Oh, no. It’s terrible. It’s terrible. No, it’s terrible. That they’re allowed to do that is terrible."

This montage of verbal **** by Trump lasts an hour thirteen minutes, mind you.

Where exactly is the "clear[] defin[ition] [of] his vision of the mission of government" that you laud so strongly in any of that claptrap above?

That is, besides when he isnt simply lying through his teeth (today -- he claimed Biden hasnt talked with the Governor of Georgia regarding Helene yet, albeit a video was taped of them talking day before yesterday.)

Seriously, just take a look at any Trump transcript. He seriously does not have the focus to put together any more than 3 related sentences (maybe even patched together sentence fragments) before wandering off on some cloud 9 excursion, sometimes rejoining the topic after that, more often wandering into some other random 20 die topic that flutters into view. If you call this mode of communication a "clear definition", you and I have seriously differing standards of 'clear', let alone 'definition.'
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It's hilarious when these leftists who were just 6 months ago were telling us how this most the best version of Biden yet, are now concerned about Trump's cognitive abilities. 03-lmfao

Don't forget what Hillary's mentor, Saul Alinsky,taught us. When you engage the enemy here, on the street or at Thanksgiving Dinner remember to

Rule 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.

Rule 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."

PS...,Always paint the enemy with the widest brush possible. Make the individual enemy own the crimes of the collective. The Hive Mentality of the enemy makes it possible and necessary.
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(09-30-2024 12:44 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Or simply, they could let the police do their jobs. No purge required.

Someone stopping the police from doing their jobs somewhere? 03-zzz

LOL, have you been living in a cave?? The cops in Memphis have been told not to pull over anyone for just about anything.

My younger brother got caught between two cars shooting at each other last Friday. Luckily he wasn't hit as he jumped the curb and jacked up his front end of his new Jeep to get out of the way. The two cars were coming at him at a high rate of speed with kids hanging out of the windows shooting at each other. There was a cop ten seconds ahead of my brother who had to have seen them, he ignored them.

So don't act like the cops aren't hamstrung by people your idiot ass supports.

You cannot be this stupid.
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