(09-18-2024 09:59 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 09:49 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Most of these models will hedge at the end. Thats why using them as a snapshot in time to say someone is collapsing or losing momentum is pointless.

Most of the polls used in modeling use such differ methodology that’s its using apples to oranges in many cases.

There are literally only 51 polls that matter at all, and zero models.

I think a compendium of polls is marginally valuable over time to show larger trends. Aside from that, pretty every model is pointless in nature, and every poll (aside from the 51 noted above) is fairly devoid of real use. Except as fodder in pre-election attempts at “look at this —- FACE!”.

I honestly don’t know if some of the polls have adjusted for the hidden Trump vote, which clearly has been the reason why the last two presidential cycles have been way off from the Electoral college standpoint. Nobody knows.

(09-18-2024 09:49 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Most of these models will hedge at the end. Thats why using them as a snapshot in time to say someone is collapsing or losing momentum is pointless.

Most of the polls used in modeling use such differ methodology that’s its using apples to oranges in many cases.

I trust Weathermen more than these polls and weathermen make Mario Mendoza look like an HOF hitter.

(09-17-2024 08:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 07:36 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They will pshit themselves in late October when the pollsters have to start trying to get it right. Trump being within the MOE and ahead in some national polls in mid September has them desperate. Harris won't get more popular. She will get exposed.

Kind of hard to get traction when your campaign can be summed up as "They are eating the cats..... eating the dogs..... they are eating the pets".

And follow up when challenged as "Thats what they said on TV".

And by comparison, that Harris rhetoric is GOLD?

I love how the Left picks out a word or a sentence and locks onto it like a snapping turtle not wanting to turn loose of it till it thunders. The forest of policy information that represents Trump versus the forest of policy information that represents Harris is what is meaningful, not some small insignificant sapling hunted down deep within the forest. Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

(09-18-2024 10:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 08:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 07:36 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They will pshit themselves in late October when the pollsters have to start trying to get it right. Trump being within the MOE and ahead in some national polls in mid September has them desperate. Harris won't get more popular. She will get exposed.

Kind of hard to get traction when your campaign can be summed up as "They are eating the cats..... eating the dogs..... they are eating the pets".

And follow up when challenged as "Thats what they said on TV".

And by comparison, that Harris rhetoric is GOLD?

I love how the Left picks out a word or a sentence and locks onto it like a snapping turtle not wanting to turn loose of it till it thunders. The forest of policy information that represents Trump versus the forest of policy information that represents Harris is what is meaningful, not some small insignificant sapling hunted down deep within the forest. Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 08:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 07:36 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They will pshit themselves in late October when the pollsters have to start trying to get it right. Trump being within the MOE and ahead in some national polls in mid September has them desperate. Harris won't get more popular. She will get exposed.

Kind of hard to get traction when your campaign can be summed up as "They are eating the cats..... eating the dogs..... they are eating the pets".

And follow up when challenged as "Thats what they said on TV".

And by comparison, that Harris rhetoric is GOLD?

I love how the Left picks out a word or a sentence and locks onto it like a snapping turtle not wanting to turn loose of it till it thunders. The forest of policy information that represents Trump versus the forest of policy information that represents Harris is what is meaningful, not some small insignificant sapling hunted down deep within the forest. Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 08:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 07:36 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They will pshit themselves in late October when the pollsters have to start trying to get it right. Trump being within the MOE and ahead in some national polls in mid September has them desperate. Harris won't get more popular. She will get exposed.

Kind of hard to get traction when your campaign can be summed up as "They are eating the cats..... eating the dogs..... they are eating the pets".

And follow up when challenged as "Thats what they said on TV".

And by comparison, that Harris rhetoric is GOLD?

I love how the Left picks out a word or a sentence and locks onto it like a snapping turtle not wanting to turn loose of it till it thunders. The forest of policy information that represents Trump versus the forest of policy information that represents Harris is what is meaningful, not some small insignificant sapling hunted down deep within the forest. Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 08:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Kind of hard to get traction when your campaign can be summed up as "They are eating the cats..... eating the dogs..... they are eating the pets".

And follow up when challenged as "Thats what they said on TV".

And by comparison, that Harris rhetoric is GOLD?

I love how the Left picks out a word or a sentence and locks onto it like a snapping turtle not wanting to turn loose of it till it thunders. The forest of policy information that represents Trump versus the forest of policy information that represents Harris is what is meaningful, not some small insignificant sapling hunted down deep within the forest. Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  And by comparison, that Harris rhetoric is GOLD?

I love how the Left picks out a word or a sentence and locks onto it like a snapping turtle not wanting to turn loose of it till it thunders. The forest of policy information that represents Trump versus the forest of policy information that represents Harris is what is meaningful, not some small insignificant sapling hunted down deep within the forest. Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:31 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  And by comparison, that Harris rhetoric is GOLD?

I love how the Left picks out a word or a sentence and locks onto it like a snapping turtle not wanting to turn loose of it till it thunders. The forest of policy information that represents Trump versus the forest of policy information that represents Harris is what is meaningful, not some small insignificant sapling hunted down deep within the forest. Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

I heard all sorts of meandering bullchit from Trump. He has the "biggest rallies", Kamala is a Marxist, Trump is the best champion evah! for IVF, *EVERYONE* wanted RvW dumped, "It was on television" as a reply to his being fact checked on Springfield, refusing to acknowledge he lost the '20 election, people "cant buy cereal, or eggs, or bacon, or anything else", how a 20% tariff isnt an indirect tax on consumers, let alone *who* pays those tariffs at the end, he would end the Ukraine war "before" he took office, the Ukraine war would be over in days, how brilliant his tax plan that would add 5.8T to the deficit is -- it is lauded by the "top professors" at Wharton (the same place that tagged his plan as adding 5T more to the deficit than Harris'), yada, yada, yada.

As for immigration, all he can do it rant about 'the millions that are pouring over our borders' -- literally that line or equivalent about 20 times. Same for the 'look what they are doing to out coutry' -- about the same number of times. All without an iota of insight as to what he would do about it, mind you.

Ditto for his economic "plan". Just tariffs. All without a fing clue what that would do the economy, nor without apparent thought on who pays them. The idiot actually said he was "gonna take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars" from other countries. Apparently clueless as to who actually pays those tariffs.

Yeah, a real fing stellar performance.

The 'they eat dogs' comment simply stands out as the fing *dumbest* and most repeatable from that mishmash.

(09-18-2024 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

What plans has harris put out that you can get behind?

(09-18-2024 02:46 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

What plans has harris put out that you can get behind?

Incentives to start small business.
Credits for first time home buyers.
Going after price gouging on groceries.
Expanded child tax credit.
Middle-class tax cuts kept or increased.
Increased taxes on corporations
Increased taxes on higher earners.
Medicare prescriptions price caps.
Expanding the ACA.

(09-18-2024 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

You really think that incessant "cult" reference you keep making on this board is somehow meaningful, much less accurate? Don't you recognize that you are showing ALL of the signs of being a "cult" follower yourself?

As for Trump's plans, it's interesting that you claimed he didn't "put forth any" or even "a concept of one" then in your very next sentence you state that "His plans are tariffs and more drilling". You are one very confused dude!

In addition to the 2 that you have already mentioned which deal with inflation and energy, he also talked about securing the border to stop the devastating flow of millions of illegals that Kamala has helped cause. He talked about deporting as many of the Illegals as he can using ICE, Local Police, Border Patrol, and other agencies. He talked about helping seniors by pushing for the removal of tax on their social security. For all of us he said that he would extend the Trump Tax Cuts that the Democrats have said they are going to let expire in 2025 (raising our taxes). He said that he would push for the removal of taxes on tips helping scores of working-class people. He said that he would be tougher in fighting the rampant crime taking place the last few years - there's a reason that the Police unions and Border Patrol union back him. He said that he would bolster the military - much like he did during his 1st term (and also created the Space Force). He said that he would bring peace to Ukraine and the middle east (remember how he had the Abraham Accords going right before his last term ended).

(09-18-2024 02:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:46 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

What plans has harris put out that you can get behind?

Incentives to start small business.
Credits for first time home buyers.
Going after price gouging on groceries.
Expanded child tax credit.
Middle-class tax cuts kept or increased.
Increased taxes on corporations
Increased taxes on higher earners.
Medicare prescriptions price caps.
Expanding the ACA.

Thanks Tom, I will get back to you.

(09-18-2024 02:46 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

What plans has harris put out that you can get behind?

Changing the 'insto presto 5k deduction for startup expenses' to 50k, and allowing that to be totaled across multiple years.

A pledge to not raise taxes on people earning less than 400k per year

Not supporting a ban on fracking

Getting the immigration bill that failed at the beginning of 2024 passed, and pledging to sign it. That bill will give far more power to the President to actually implement lockdowns on the border -- the reason the courts deep sixed Trumps earlier attempts. In that manner there will be an explicit authorization from Congress to do just that. In addition to the larger numbers of agents, and better funding to speed up administrative logjams in the deportation process.

Standing and supporting Ukraine in its war against an aggressor nation.

Binding code of the ethics on the Supreme Court

There are a number I disagree with as well.

(09-18-2024 02:44 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 10:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Her statements are far from GOLD.

Yes, how dare the opposition lock on to a false, racist, xenophobic comment from Trump. The sheer audacity to focus on that.

At least she doesnt cry out plaintively when challenged "thats what they said on TV".

If those kinds of things are what you have to "lock on to" in order to prop up the Left, you've already lost the battle.

Immigration, the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, the Military, Border Security, Energy Independence, Education, Parental Rights, Secure Elections, etc. are the important topics that interest voters.

Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

I heard all sorts of meandering bullchit from Trump. He has the "biggest rallies", Kamala is a Marxist, Trump is the best champion evah! for IVF, *EVERYONE* wanted RvW dumped, "It was on television" as a reply to his being fact checked on Springfield, refusing to acknowledge he lost the '20 election, people "cant buy cereal, or eggs, or bacon, or anything else", how a 20% tariff isnt an indirect tax on consumers, let alone *who* pays those tariffs at the end, he would end the Ukraine war "before" he took office, the Ukraine war would be over in days, how brilliant his tax plan that would add 5.8T to the deficit is -- it is lauded by the "top professors" at Wharton (the same place that tagged his plan as adding 5T more to the deficit than Harris'), yada, yada, yada.

As for immigration, all he can do it rant about 'the millions that are pouring over our borders' -- literally that line or equivalent about 20 times. Same for the 'look what they are doing to out coutry' -- about the same number of times. All without an iota of insight as to what he would do about it, mind you.

Ditto for his economic "plan". Just tariffs. All without a fing clue what that would do the economy, nor without apparent thought on who pays them. The idiot actually said he was "gonna take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars" from other countries. Apparently clueless as to who actually pays those tariffs.

Yeah, a real fing stellar performance.

The 'they eat dogs' comment simply stands out as the fing *dumbest* and most repeatable from that mishmash.

So, tariffs are going to be devastating this time for us even though they weren't the last time? The farmers (for example) appreciated it both financially and from the increased markets it opened up for them.

You don't believe that the millions of illegals that the current administration (Kamala) allowed to enter our country have caused extensive hardship, damage, and loss of life in this country? It happens to be #1 or #2 on most voter's list of what is most important to them to get fixed.

As for wars in Ukraine and Israel, remember that Russia invaded Crimea when Obama was president. They invaded Ukraine again right after Biden took office. They stood down while Trump was in office (in between Obama and Biden). The current administration also helped Russia out financially by turning on their Nordstream pipeline deal with Europe. Hard to fight a war without a lot of money to support it.

Remember too that Trump was putting together a peace deal in the Middle East and had several countries that had already signed on with others indicating they were soon to as well just before his 1st term ended. He also had Iran on the ropes financially making it hard for them to support their activist groups like Hamas, Hesbala, etc. The current administration (Kamala) turned their money supply back on.

Funny how leftists claim tariffs will be passed on to consumers but higher corporate taxes won't be.

(09-18-2024 03:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:46 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

What plans has harris put out that you can get behind?

Changing the 'insto presto 5k deduction for startup expenses' to 50k, and allowing that to be totaled across multiple years.

A pledge to not raise taxes on people earning less than 400k per year

Not supporting a ban on fracking

Getting the immigration bill that failed at the beginning of 2024 passed, and pledging to sign it. That bill will give far more power to the President to actually implement lockdowns on the border -- the reason the courts deep sixed Trumps earlier attempts. In that manner there will be an explicit authorization from Congress to do just that. In addition to the larger numbers of agents, and better funding to speed up administrative logjams in the deportation process.

Standing and supporting Ukraine in its war against an aggressor nation.

Binding code of the ethics on the Supreme Court

There are a number I disagree with as well.

When she ran in 2020 she stated adamantly that she was 100% against fracking. She's on record recently as saying that "her values haven't changed". Even Bernie Sanders stated on TV a few weeks ago when asked if they had changed and he said that she was saying what she needed to say to get elected!!! If she has reeled you in so be it.

If she does what the Democrats have said (including her) that they will let the Trump Tax Cuts expire in 2025, that will absolutely raise taxes on people making less than $400,000. I make a lot less than that in retirement and it will increase my taxes by $2,000 - $3,000+ annually. I know this because I asked the accountant that does our taxes how much it saved my wife and I the year after it took effect, and she printed out the difference that it made. She also said that it helped nearly everyone that she did taxes for that year. Facts!

(09-18-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Funny how leftists claim tariffs will be passed on to consumers but higher corporate taxes won't be.

Or the 25k for first time home buyer going against someone maybe buying their 2nd home. The average median household income of first-time homebuyers is $95,900, while the average income of repeat buyers is $111,700. So why does the one group get 25k free?

Or the 6k for child tax credit and how does that help the other 150 million workers that's not having a child that year.

Along with that 25k first time home buyers credit its going to raise prices of home and also the taxable value of every home...

so while that first time buyer is getting 25k everyone else is paying 100s to a few extra thousand on increase taxes. If the market is not there today to handle a few million more people entering the market. It wont be there next year or the next or the next.

Supply will go down and prices will increase and that first time buyer's 25k will be worth next to nothing maybe even a negative

(09-18-2024 03:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:46 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 02:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 11:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Maybe you should have told the Trump campaign that bit of treasure prior to his debate appearance. He sure rabbit chased a lot of doozies there that dont seem to fit on your list....

You must have had your TDS filters turned on during the debate. Trump spoke constantly about the Economy, Inflation, National Security, Foreign Affairs, Crime, Border Security, Energy Independence, the Military, Wars in Ukraine & Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. and some of the ways he's going to fix it.

All you seem to have heard was a sentence or two about cats and dogs in Ohio.

And you have your cult filters on if you actually heard him put forth any sort of a plan...or even a concept of one...to "fix" any of those issues. His plans are tariffs and more drilling. That's it. He thinks it will all just magically happen because he's so awesome.

What plans has harris put out that you can get behind?

Changing the 'insto presto 5k deduction for startup expenses' to 50k, and allowing that to be totaled across multiple years.

A pledge to not raise taxes on people earning less than 400k per year

Not supporting a ban on fracking

Getting the immigration bill that failed at the beginning of 2024 passed, and pledging to sign it. That bill will give far more power to the President to actually implement lockdowns on the border -- the reason the courts deep sixed Trumps earlier attempts. In that manner there will be an explicit authorization from Congress to do just that. In addition to the larger numbers of agents, and better funding to speed up administrative logjams in the deportation process.

Standing and supporting Ukraine in its war against an aggressor nation.

Binding code of the ethics on the Supreme Court

There are a number I disagree with as well.

Geeeeeeeeeezus H

your post legitimately made me laugh out loud

Keep them coming

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(09-18-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Funny how leftists claim tariffs will be passed on to consumers but higher corporate taxes won't be.

Who said they won't be? Not me.