(09-16-2024 12:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:11 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Based on what this loser said in court today about his limited finances, how the heck was he living in Hawaii? Hawaii has the highest cost of living in the US and one of the highest in the world.

He was a builder. Most likely got paid by non-profits to build homeless housing. He built "tiny homes".

He also said in court he only made about $3K a month. And a piece I read said he was working in Hawaii "mostly as a handyman." And his GF's house doesn't look like much in the photo I saw.

Yet he supposedly spent 6 months in Ukraine, and he flew from Hawaii to Florida to try to kill Trump?

Something isn't adding up.

And where he get the AK?

Put that in the carry-on from Hawai'i?

not sure about that. Backpacks of ceramic tiles as well?

nope. Not buying this ish (again) at all. This goes waaaaaay deeper.

Sad.

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:00 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 02:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 04:08 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  -One side performed a coup to oust their incumbent.
-One side installed a candidate on POTUS ticket
-One side has allowed in terrorists, enemy combatants, and drains on American civil services UNCHECKED in an effort to secure votes and disenfranchise American citizens

That side is the threat to democracy and to America as we know it.

As for your first two points -- do you realize the parties are their own groups, with their own rules? Literally, if they agreed, they could select a candidate based on a round of Rock Scissor Paper. yet somehow a private groups own rules on selecting their candidate is some massive affront to democracy? Lolz.

On to other items ---

One side tried to get the Vice President to throw away electoral votes.

One side tried to have the Vice President count slates of electoral votes for them that had the legal weight of pulling them out of a box of Capn Crunch.

There is more. Shall I continue?

Ok - and what exactly are those rules? Are these rules written down somewhere? How have they historically chosen candidates?

And which side constantly points their finger at the other calling them a threat to democracy. Which side compares the other candidate to Hitler, calls him evil, and a wannabe dictator. There is a lot of hatred being drummed up by the left and it's no wonder there have been two attempts to assassinate Trump.

Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

(09-17-2024 02:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 04:08 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  -One side performed a coup to oust their incumbent.
-One side installed a candidate on POTUS ticket
-One side has allowed in terrorists, enemy combatants, and drains on American civil services UNCHECKED in an effort to secure votes and disenfranchise American citizens

That side is the threat to democracy and to America as we know it.

As for your first two points -- do you realize the parties are their own groups, with their own rules? Literally, if they agreed, they could select a candidate based on a round of Rock Scissor Paper. yet somehow a private groups own rules on selecting their candidate is some massive affront to democracy? Lolz.

On to other items ---

One side tried to get the Vice President to throw away electoral votes.

One side tried to have the Vice President count slates of electoral votes for them that had the legal weight of pulling them out of a box of Capn Crunch.

There is more. Shall I continue?

Most epic Whatabout-ism I've seen here in a decade +.

Well done, Councilor. Well done.

Clown world...

(09-17-2024 03:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 02:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 04:08 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  -One side performed a coup to oust their incumbent.
-One side installed a candidate on POTUS ticket
-One side has allowed in terrorists, enemy combatants, and drains on American civil services UNCHECKED in an effort to secure votes and disenfranchise American citizens

That side is the threat to democracy and to America as we know it.

As for your first two points -- do you realize the parties are their own groups, with their own rules? Literally, if they agreed, they could select a candidate based on a round of Rock Scissor Paper. yet somehow a private groups own rules on selecting their candidate is some massive affront to democracy? Lolz.

On to other items ---

One side tried to get the Vice President to throw away electoral votes.

One side tried to have the Vice President count slates of electoral votes for them that had the legal weight of pulling them out of a box of Capn Crunch.

There is more. Shall I continue?

Most epic Whatabout-ism I've seen here in a decade +.

Well done, Councilor. Well done.

Clown world...

He told me he was very upset about political violence in the Vindman thread.

(09-17-2024 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:11 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Based on what this loser said in court today about his limited finances, how the heck was he living in Hawaii? Hawaii has the highest cost of living in the US and one of the highest in the world.

He was a builder. Most likely got paid by non-profits to build homeless housing. He built "tiny homes".

He also said in court he only made about $3K a month. And a piece I read said he was working in Hawaii "mostly as a handyman." And his GF's house doesn't look like much in the photo I saw.

Yet he supposedly spent 6 months in Ukraine, and he flew from Hawaii to Florida to try to kill Trump?

Something isn't adding up.

And where he get the AK?

Put that in the carry-on from Hawai'i?

not sure about that. Backpacks of ceramic tiles as well?

nope. Not buying this ish (again) at all. This goes waaaaaay deeper.

Sad.

He was in Ukraine for 5+ months. I'm sure AKs are everywhere there.

(09-17-2024 03:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 02:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 04:08 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  -One side performed a coup to oust their incumbent.
-One side installed a candidate on POTUS ticket
-One side has allowed in terrorists, enemy combatants, and drains on American civil services UNCHECKED in an effort to secure votes and disenfranchise American citizens

That side is the threat to democracy and to America as we know it.

As for your first two points -- do you realize the parties are their own groups, with their own rules? Literally, if they agreed, they could select a candidate based on a round of Rock Scissor Paper. yet somehow a private groups own rules on selecting their candidate is some massive affront to democracy? Lolz.

On to other items ---

One side tried to get the Vice President to throw away electoral votes.

One side tried to have the Vice President count slates of electoral votes for them that had the legal weight of pulling them out of a box of Capn Crunch.

There is more. Shall I continue?

Most epic Whatabout-ism I've seen here in a decade +.

Well done, Councilor. Well done.

Clown world...

The issue is the comment 'threat to democracy.'

The first two points totally ignore the private nature of the parties, and the ability of ant political party to set their selection in any manner that they agree to.

If the Democrats decide to use a massive game of Rock Scissors Paper to select their candidate -- That. Is. Their. Choice. End of story. The calls to 'threat to democracy' make no sense in that regard.

And hate to tell you, the points I brought up above actually *do* deal with repesentative democracy, and the issue of voting in this country.

Not a whataboutism -- a very stark restatement of the case against Trump in that regard. One that the poster there seemingly 'forgot'.

I suggest next time you shouldnt get so triggered when the 'facts that are left out' dont cut your way, My Friend.

(09-17-2024 04:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 02:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 04:08 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  -One side performed a coup to oust their incumbent.
-One side installed a candidate on POTUS ticket
-One side has allowed in terrorists, enemy combatants, and drains on American civil services UNCHECKED in an effort to secure votes and disenfranchise American citizens

That side is the threat to democracy and to America as we know it.

As for your first two points -- do you realize the parties are their own groups, with their own rules? Literally, if they agreed, they could select a candidate based on a round of Rock Scissor Paper. yet somehow a private groups own rules on selecting their candidate is some massive affront to democracy? Lolz.

On to other items ---

One side tried to get the Vice President to throw away electoral votes.

One side tried to have the Vice President count slates of electoral votes for them that had the legal weight of pulling them out of a box of Capn Crunch.

There is more. Shall I continue?

Most epic Whatabout-ism I've seen here in a decade +.

Well done, Councilor. Well done.

Clown world...

He told me he was very upset about political violence in the Vindman thread.

But the schools in Springfield were all sent bomb threats!

All from overseas though. Imagine that, Sparkles. It’s enough to make the liberals “maddy poo” though. And that is the reason. Plain and simple. Idiots. All of them.

(09-16-2024 01:18 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:30 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:11 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Based on what this loser said in court today about his limited finances, how the heck was he living in Hawaii? Hawaii has the highest cost of living in the US and one of the highest in the world.

I guess it's all relative, but he said he is making $3000 a week. That's a $156,000 a year not really broke but might be if you live in Hawaii.

I guess the $3000 a week I read from AP was a typo TripleA saw $3000 a month

Well, I could always be wrong, too, but it was in the context of Routh asking for a public defender, so I'm thinking the $3K a month is probably right.

He really *shouldnt* qualify for a public defender even at $36,000 per year.

You have the right to sn sttorney if you can't afford an attorney, we'll provide you with the dumbest ******* lawyer on earth.

Tanqy Bois? Yeah I saw 300/mo also

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:00 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 02:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  As for your first two points -- do you realize the parties are their own groups, with their own rules? Literally, if they agreed, they could select a candidate based on a round of Rock Scissor Paper. yet somehow a private groups own rules on selecting their candidate is some massive affront to democracy? Lolz.

On to other items ---

One side tried to get the Vice President to throw away electoral votes.

One side tried to have the Vice President count slates of electoral votes for them that had the legal weight of pulling them out of a box of Capn Crunch.

There is more. Shall I continue?

Ok - and what exactly are those rules? Are these rules written down somewhere? How have they historically chosen candidates?

And which side constantly points their finger at the other calling them a threat to democracy. Which side compares the other candidate to Hitler, calls him evil, and a wannabe dictator. There is a lot of hatred being drummed up by the left and it's no wonder there have been two attempts to assassinate Trump.

Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

(09-17-2024 05:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:00 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Ok - and what exactly are those rules? Are these rules written down somewhere? How have they historically chosen candidates?

And which side constantly points their finger at the other calling them a threat to democracy. Which side compares the other candidate to Hitler, calls him evil, and a wannabe dictator. There is a lot of hatred being drummed up by the left and it's no wonder there have been two attempts to assassinate Trump.

Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

Try again.
Threat to Democracy.

Quote: The evidence I cite in this article suggests that Trump is an existential threat to those norms. Yet he continues to enjoy strong backing from a little more than 40 percent of the American public and from 85 to 90 percent of the Republican Party. How can this be?

Here are ten basic democratic norms that Trump fails to comply with or outright repudiates: (1) respect for an independent judiciary, (2) support for a free and independent press, (3) more generally, the importance of independent actors within government, as opposed to actors who simply owe loyalty to the president; (4) a commitment to the peaceful resolution of political disputes rather than encouraging violence; (5) respect for the legitimacy of elections; (6) not using the legal system to attack political opponents; (7) not expressing admiration for foreign autocrats; (8) preserving transparency within government; (9) the maintenance of a sharp separation between the private interests of public servants and the public good; (10) at least a minimal commitment to truth telling. The remainder of this article elaborates upon Trump’s transgressions against these foundational norms of democracy.

(09-17-2024 06:13 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 05:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  And which side constantly points their finger at the other calling them a threat to democracy. Which side compares the other candidate to Hitler, calls him evil, and a wannabe dictator. There is a lot of hatred being drummed up by the left and it's no wonder there have been two attempts to assassinate Trump.

Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

Try again.
Threat to Democracy.

Quote: The evidence I cite in this article suggests that Trump is an existential threat to those norms. Yet he continues to enjoy strong backing from a little more than 40 percent of the American public and from 85 to 90 percent of the Republican Party. How can this be?

Here are ten basic democratic norms that Trump fails to comply with or outright repudiates: (1) respect for an independent judiciary, (2) support for a free and independent press, (3) more generally, the importance of independent actors within government, as opposed to actors who simply owe loyalty to the president; (4) a commitment to the peaceful resolution of political disputes rather than encouraging violence; (5) respect for the legitimacy of elections; (6) not using the legal system to attack political opponents; (7) not expressing admiration for foreign autocrats; (8) preserving transparency within government; (9) the maintenance of a sharp separation between the private interests of public servants and the public good; (10) at least a minimal commitment to truth telling. The remainder of this article elaborates upon Trump’s transgressions against these foundational norms of democracy.

That amazingly broad appeal and circulation of the "Harvard Law School Democrats" -- I mean, nothing is more widespread and captures more attention than an article in that mag.

Some real incendiary stuff when the "Harvard Law School Democrats" prints an article called that....

That was just one of the first links Google gladly put on the first page of listings.

(09-17-2024 05:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:00 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Ok - and what exactly are those rules? Are these rules written down somewhere? How have they historically chosen candidates?

And which side constantly points their finger at the other calling them a threat to democracy. Which side compares the other candidate to Hitler, calls him evil, and a wannabe dictator. There is a lot of hatred being drummed up by the left and it's no wonder there have been two attempts to assassinate Trump.

Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

Your memory is short.

Sure it is.

(09-18-2024 06:59 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 05:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  And which side constantly points their finger at the other calling them a threat to democracy. Which side compares the other candidate to Hitler, calls him evil, and a wannabe dictator. There is a lot of hatred being drummed up by the left and it's no wonder there have been two attempts to assassinate Trump.

Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

Your memory is short.

Sure it is.

A couple of pre-1/6/21 photos for you to peruse, tanq.: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/1...st/507248/

Your forthcoming insanely stupid response is easy to forecast: "None of these pictures use the words 'threat to Democracy'." As if only you get to control the plain meaning of the English language. And then you'll resort to some sort of ad hominem attack, all the while claiming that it is poor you who is being mistreated.

"Threat to democracy" would have been a kind version of what Democrats were saying about Trump pretty much from the moment he announced as a Republican. And I'm willing to admit that I have been (and continue to be) highly critical of Donald Trump's countless shortcomings as a human being.

But what you do is worse. Like any progressive (much as you deny it), you think you get to redefine the meaning of words. It is unbecoming, and it is a form of lying.

It is also a shame, because you otherwise might have something to contribute to the discussion. At least you would if you weren't such an insistently unpleasant prevaricator.

(09-17-2024 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 12:11 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Based on what this loser said in court today about his limited finances, how the heck was he living in Hawaii? Hawaii has the highest cost of living in the US and one of the highest in the world.

He was a builder. Most likely got paid by non-profits to build homeless housing. He built "tiny homes".

He also said in court he only made about $3K a month. And a piece I read said he was working in Hawaii "mostly as a handyman." And his GF's house doesn't look like much in the photo I saw.

Yet he supposedly spent 6 months in Ukraine, and he flew from Hawaii to Florida to try to kill Trump?

Something isn't adding up.

And where he get the AK?

Put that in the carry-on from Hawai'i?

not sure about that. Backpacks of ceramic tiles as well?

nope. Not buying this ish (again) at all. This goes waaaaaay deeper.

Sad.

You can fly an unloaded firearm in checked in a locked case, and some amount of ammunition in original boxes or plastic ammo boxes.

Or you could go to a gun store and just buy one with your driver license after landing.

(09-17-2024 06:13 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 05:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  And which side constantly points their finger at the other calling them a threat to democracy. Which side compares the other candidate to Hitler, calls him evil, and a wannabe dictator. There is a lot of hatred being drummed up by the left and it's no wonder there have been two attempts to assassinate Trump.

Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

Try again.
Threat to Democracy.

Quote: The evidence I cite in this article suggests that Trump is an existential threat to those norms. Yet he continues to enjoy strong backing from a little more than 40 percent of the American public and from 85 to 90 percent of the Republican Party. How can this be?

Here are ten basic democratic norms that Trump fails to comply with or outright repudiates: (1) respect for an independent judiciary, (2) support for a free and independent press, (3) more generally, the importance of independent actors within government, as opposed to actors who simply owe loyalty to the president; (4) a commitment to the peaceful resolution of political disputes rather than encouraging violence; (5) respect for the legitimacy of elections; (6) not using the legal system to attack political opponents; (7) not expressing admiration for foreign autocrats; (8) preserving transparency within government; (9) the maintenance of a sharp separation between the private interests of public servants and the public good; (10) at least a minimal commitment to truth telling. The remainder of this article elaborates upon Trump’s transgressions against these foundational norms of democracy.

Did this guy just describe the Democratic Party?
1) stacking the court, intimidating jurists, threatening impeachments, having senate determine standards
2) WH, FBI and DOJ suppressing speech
3) This IS the threat to Democracy when the government is not responsive to elections
4) assassinations, Biden talking about beating Trump, Kamala talking about killing him in an elevator, FBI raids, etc., etc.
5) trying to stop verification of voters and voter roles and investigation of discrepancies.
6) Lawfare, lawfare, lawfare
7) This is the threat to Democracy when people can't express honest opinions (and what he was really doing was buttering them up to get what he wanted from them)
8) Democrats have fought any transparency. And they don't even let you see the president or vice-president. We have no idea who is running the country.
9) Hunter Biden. Nancy's profits. It goes on endlessly.
10) Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, most of the Democrats in Congress...

(09-18-2024 07:19 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 06:59 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 05:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

Your memory is short.

Sure it is.

A couple of pre-1/6/21 photos for you to peruse, tanq.: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/1...st/507248/

Your forthcoming insanely stupid response is easy to forecast: "None of these pictures use the words 'threat to Democracy'." As if only you get to control the plain meaning of the English language. And then you'll resort to some sort of ad hominem attack, all the while claiming that it is poor you who is being mistreated.

"Threat to democracy" would have been a kind version of what Democrats were saying about Trump pretty much from the moment he announced as a Republican. And I'm willing to admit that I have been (and continue to be) highly critical of Donald Trump's countless shortcomings as a human being.

But what you do is worse. Like any progressive (much as you deny it), you think you get to redefine the meaning of words. It is unbecoming, and it is a form of lying.

It is also a shame, because you otherwise might have something to contribute to the discussion. At least you would if you weren't such an insistently unpleasant prevaricator.

Threat to Democratic party rule is what he really is. He has peeled off a lot of blue collar workers and a notable number of minorities.

This forum would be a lot easier to read if you guys would stop responding to one particular person. And if you must respond, please don't quote him. He'll seek you out anyway, lol.

Incoming in 3...2...1...

(09-18-2024 07:19 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(09-18-2024 06:59 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 05:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-17-2024 03:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Bummer. Maybe Trump *shouldnt* have tried to short circuit the counting of electors in '20 to benefit himself with no legal basis.

Yes, I absolutely call that a threat to democracy. Should people simply cover their heads up with a hood and not note that? Seriously?

And not even getting into the issue of throwing out a metric ton of false comments about the election, and using that to instigate a riot at the point of counting the ballots.

Maybe if he hadnt pulled *that* ****, there wouldnt be reason to call him a 'threat to democracy'. Imagine that.

They called him that before 1-6-24 and you know it. I guess Kamala is a threat based on her past comments on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

No, they didnt say he was a threat to democracy prior to 1/6/21. He definitely earned that moniker then.

I am absolutely against Kamala's comments on 'assault rifles'. But nice strawman. And an awesome diversion into another issue completely.

Your memory is short.

Sure it is.

A couple of pre-1/6/21 photos for you to peruse, tanq.: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/1...st/507248/

Your forthcoming insanely stupid response is easy to forecast: "None of these pictures use the words 'threat to Democracy'." As if only you get to control the plain meaning of the English language. And then you'll resort to some sort of ad hominem attack, all the while claiming that it is poor you who is being mistreated.

"Threat to democracy" would have been a kind version of what Democrats were saying about Trump pretty much from the moment he announced as a Republican. And I'm willing to admit that I have been (and continue to be) highly critical of Donald Trump's countless shortcomings as a human being.

But what you do is worse. Like any progressive (much as you deny it), you think you get to redefine the meaning of words. It is unbecoming, and it is a form of lying.

It is also a shame, because you otherwise might have something to contribute to the discussion. At least you would if you weren't such an insistently unpleasant prevaricator.

Do you really think any comments prior to 1/6/21 have the emotional impact of the comments after that event?

And yes, after the event they *are* emotional bullets. Absolutely.

Maybe they have the emotional impact because of what Trump pulled around the election of 2020.

Great. The right complains that 'oh golly, the term 'threat to democracy is loaded. Dont use it. Its not nice.'

What do *you* call a person who literally asks for the electoral slates of 7 states to be thrown in the garbage bin? What do *you* call a person who asks that the electoral slates, all accompanied by a certificate of ascertainment from the respective states, and having zero ongoing lawsuits as to their validity -- simply be replaced with others having the same legal backing as if he pulled them out of a box of Capn Crunch?

And Im not even getting into the whipping up his followers with constant, unsubstantiated lies about the election, culminating in him inciting them to vent their frenzy at the Congress. Nor his attempt to get the DOJ to send false reports of electoral cheating to state governments/ Nor his explicit attempt (along with a threat of criminal prosecution) to have a state SoS simply find him votes.

What do *you* call the above? A "champion" of democracy? Gods gift to the democratic process? Trump directly threatened the democratic process during the time between the election and the counting in *multiple* ways. Yes how fing dare people use the phrase 'threat to democracy'.

And yes, the term really doesnt have an impact prior to the **** he pulled. Kind of like the righties yelling 'communist' at everything Biden / Harris has done to this point.

None of the above seems to cross your radar.

Im looking forward to what *you* think is an 'acceptable' description of Trump trying shitcan the votes of 7 states and roughly 25 million people for no reason other than his fing ego problems, and trying to replace it with stuff he literally pulled out of fing thin air. That is since 'threat to democracy' is so utterly misdescriptive and incendiary.